answers to AUTHENTICITY questions!!!
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I couldn't decide which thread to post this in, as the auction has ended, I didn't buy it, and I feel it can't be authenticated for the reasons y'all will see when looking at it. But considering the discussion we had when the authenticity of that Bleecker duffle was questioned-as we discussed, a bag with that much detail would be unlikely to be one they chose to counterfeit, I thought I'd post this here. FWIW I feel like it's some sort of sample, it's similar enough to some of the Bleecker Totes that came out around that time and the detail looks authentic to me.
Anyway, I didn't want to waste the authenticators time in the AT thread, I just wanted to put it somewhere to discuss.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-11786...Q6d6fUvhLWPh7VLY8GmbY%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
Anyway, I didn't want to waste the authenticators time in the AT thread, I just wanted to put it somewhere to discuss.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-11786...Q6d6fUvhLWPh7VLY8GmbY%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
The only valid 11786 is the Vachetta Duffle with that Floral design. The seller calls the red one a Duffle but it's a Tote or Carryall style.
The inside pocket zipper pull isn't sewn completely around and has those missing stitches at the top by the ring that we often see in fakes. The ball chain on the hangtag is too long and the balls are much too small, and the hangtag stitching doesn't look right either. The stamping inside the flowers is very shallow and barely noticeable compared to the genuine one, and all the leaves and flowers are just a flat single layer of leather, with no padding or extra detailing at all.
I'll post some photos as soon as I finish saving photos of the fake.
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Here are pics of the genuine bag which was only available in Natural Vachetta, plus pics of the red one. Even the thickness of the leathers are completely different between the 2 bags - the genuine duffle will stand on its own with no problems, the red fake (?) will collapse into a puddle if you set it down on its base.
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More pics of the red one in case the listing disappears :
I understand what you're saying but it's not what it's claiming to be. And what criteria did the seller use to authenticate it?
The two creeds, or what we can see of the red one, do look alike.
I understand what you're saying but it's not what it's claiming to be. And what criteria did the seller use to authenticate it?
The two creeds, or what we can see of the red one, do look alike.
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For the record, I don't consider it a waste of my time to look at and authenticate an ended listing, especially when the item is fake and a buyer got ripped off. I will usually report those ended listings although ebay can be inconsistent in removing them.
While I'm not expert on LV, I do recognize obvious fakes and the seller, azpawnbroker also sold a fake Louis vuitton wallet.
Thanks for looking at it ladies. I noticed this listing when I was traveling, was only able to view it on my phone, put it in my watch list and forgot about it. I ran across it yesterday and thought I'd post it for y'all to look at. I just thought it was interesting in light of our discussion of the duffle a month or two ago.
And yeah, I find as a general rule pawn broker listings have their share of fakes!
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The listing was removed so now maybe azpawnbroker will learn to have items authenticated before listing them.
I don't think I have. It would be harder to tell, I think. I also think it would be harder to make one where the leather was aged enough. We saw something a week or two ago where someone had taken a metal Coach tag and attached it inside of a bag, so I guess that could technically be considered a counterfeit pre-creed bag, but the metal tag wasn't like the ones they used back then.
I came across a pre-creed (with just the Coach stamp) crescent and there are some things that I just can't piece together. Both buckles are stamped "SOLID BRASS" on the outward facing side. Others I have seen were stamped on the inside. Also, the the rivets (I think that's what they're called) that secure the leather around the buckle were plated brass. It just made me wonder.
We'd need to see photos if you own the bag. Please post them at the Authenticate thread.
I think we're good. I posted the auction link in AT and you said it looked okay. I was just really stumped by the stamping on the buckles; never seen it that way on other pre-creed bags. But it's such a lovely green with a rich patina, I'm over my fears.
http://forum.purseblog.com/showpost.php?p=29097933&postcount=8914
There are a lot of details on vintage Coaches that don't fit the usual "rules", hardware and zippers especially. And there's always a possibility that repairs were done somewhere along the line and some bits and pieces replaced. I have a mid-80s Station Bag that was made into a Spectator style, British Tan with black piping, by Coach's repair service because it was sent to them to replace worn-through piping and the original Tan leather was several shades darker than the replacement leather due to use and conditioning. So they used black piping instead. It's an interesting look, and it's nice to have something that's probably unique. They even included an extra shoulder strap in black! That was back when Coach really understood the meaning of Customer Service.
