Woody Allen's daughter details how she was sexually abused by him in the NYT

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I'll respond to you because your question was far less combative, which I appreciate…

I never said I would be okay with it. Of all the girls he could date, once he broke up with Mia, he had to pick this one? Bloody hell. I would be a wreck. I'd be beyond heartbroken and beyond angry.

The only good bit to come of this disgusting thing is that it appears to be genuine and he married her and they've been in a committed relationship for over 20 years. He didn't molest her and run…the only good news is that he didn't do that.

Would I be angry enough to try and brainwash my children? Oh dear Lord, I hope not. That's what Moses Farrow said. So did Ronan as a young child. Would I repeatedly try and coerce my nannies to make up stories about Allen being alone with Dylan? Would I approach Woody's old GF (Stacey someone) to lie about molestation charges?

All I can say is, I would hope I would not be so enraged and vindictive that I would do anything to damage my children. I'd like to think that I am more stable than Mia has been known to be and far less explosive, as she proved in her younger days… but you know what? I have no idea how I would react. I just hope I wouldn't abuse my children.

But that's easy for me to say, isn't it.

Did I answer your question? :)

The bolded: I think it would have been better for her (Soon Yi) and her children if he had, indeed, simply run after he exploited her. Maybe he didn't legally molest her, but there is no way that relationship has a healthy power balance. Just no way on earth. I feel sorry for all the women and girls involved with this man.

Also, and I don't mean this combatively: I find it disturbing that you keep bringing up Mia Farrow's craziness as a reason that her daughter's allegations should be dismissed. Many many victims of abuse have mothers who are manipulative and crazy. It feels wrong to say that Dylan Farrow must be lying because her mom is unstable...

The brainwashing allegations against Mia Farrow have come out through magazine articles and second-hand accounts... BUT, allegations of Allen's sordid behaviour and amorality come from the same source... so why are the allegations against Mia more believable?

Mia Farrow seems nuts to me, but her ex-partner is just as nuts, based on the insane boundary-crossing he seems to want everyone to accept as normal and just "love" (or some such nonsense). Why is Farrow's nuttiness enough to indict her daughter as a fantasist, but Woody's nuttiness isn't enough to make his denials seem less believable?
 
I don't even care when they "technically" started their romantic relationship. I find it disgusting when any man can enter a sexual relationship with a girl he's watched grow up. "Father figure" aside. Even if it was just a friend of the family.. It's gross and beyond creepy. He's been a trusted adult and "family like" member since she was 12. And yes, let's not forget, it's his Son's sister. :faint:
 
I keep seeing this story brought up but I've never seen the source this came from. Not saying it don't believe it, I just would like to know where it originates.

Regardless of whether or not they started their relationship after she was of legal age, it gives me the creeps.

It originates from the original accusations. Mia said she found photos, back in the day.


Here's a timeline, no idea if there's a bias either way, good point of reference at least?





At a Glance: Timeline of Woody Allen sex abuse claims

Wednesday 05 Feb 2014 7:49a.m.


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"Cries and Whispers: The Ugly Explosion of an Unconventional Family," announced the August 31, 1992 cover of Time magazine, which bore Woody Allen's bespectacled face. The sordid saga involving Allen and erstwhile romantic partner Mia Farrow had indeed exploded into the public consciousness days earlier. The most sensational part: an allegation that the celebrated director had taken their adopted daughter Dylan, 7, into an attic-like space at Farrow's Connecticut home and molested her.
Allen vigorously denied the allegation and was never arrested or charged with a crime. Despite predictions by some that his career would falter, it hasn't. At age 78 he still puts out a movie a year, won his fourth Oscar in 2012 for "Midnight in Paris," and is nominated again this year - his 24th nod - for the "Blue Jasmine" screenplay. The two movies were his biggest commercial hits in years.
Indeed, it's his continued success that likely brought the abuse claim back into the spotlight. Allen was given a lifetime achievement award at the Golden Globes in January that included a glowing televised tribute, prompting critical comments from Mia Farrow and her son Ronan Farrow. (Ronan, an emerging TV personality, is presumed to be Allen's biological son though Mia recently said he might be Frank Sinatra's son.)
Then this past weekend, Dylan Farrow, now 28, married and living in Florida, penned an emotional open letter, accusing Hollywood of callously lionizing her tormentor. The letter revived in stunning detail an allegation more than two decades old, the details of which many had forgotten.


Here is a look back at key moments and players of a story that, whichever side you believe, is one of the more disturbing celebrity sagas in memory:

December 1991:
Allen formally adopts two of Farrow's previously adopted children, Dylan, 7, and Moses, 13, after Farrow tells a court he's an excellent father. The couple has been together for more than a decade, though they live separately on opposite sides of Central Park.
January 1992:
Visiting Allen's apartment, Farrow discovers a set of nude, explicit photos Allen has taken of her 21-year-old adopted daughter, Soon-Yi Previn (her father is Farrow's ex-husband, Andre Previn). The discovery precipitates their split.
February 1992:
Farrow gives Allen a Valentine with a photograph of her and some of her children; a steak knife is stuck into Farrow's heart, covered with a photo of Soon-Yi, and meat skewers are stuck in the chests of the children. (The card will be displayed on CBS's "60 Minutes.")
August 1992:
Amidst lengthy and bitter custody negotiations, Allen visits Farrow's Connecticut home Aug. 4. There, it will be alleged, Allen takes Dylan to an attic-like space and molests her. Farrow videotapes Dylan accusing Allen of the molestation. On Aug. 13, Allen sues Farrow in New York state court for custody of Dylan, Moses and Satchel (now Ronan). A few days later, Connecticut police confirm they're investigating the abuse allegations. On Aug. 18, Allen makes an unusual public appearance to deny them.
November 1992:
In Vanity Fair magazine, author Maureen Orth presents Mia Farrow's side of the story. Dylan, she reports, told her mother that Allen told her during the episode that "if she stayed very still he would put her in his movie and take her to Paris. He touched her `private part.'" Allen appears on "60 Minutes," describing violent rages by Farrow - and threats to kill him - over his affair with Soon-Yi. He also says Farrow told him weeks before the abuse allegations: "I have something very nasty planned for you."
March 1993:
After a seven-month probe, a team of child-abuse specialists at Yale-New Haven Hospital concludes Dylan has not been molested. The doctor leading the probe, John M. Leventhal, will later say in a sworn statement, reported by The New York Times, that he theorized Dylan either invented the story or had it planted in her mind by her mother. A day later the custody trial opens in New York. Allen testifies he is a "wonderful father."
May 1993:
The seven-week trial winds down. Among its many revelations: Moses wrote Allen a letter saying he hoped his father would kill himself. Farrow acknowledges lashing out physically at Soon-Yi. Allen's lawyers suggest Farrow tried to blackmail Allen for millions of dollars. A psychologist testifies that Farrow threatened to stab Allen's eyes out.
June 1993:
Allen loses his custody battle. State Supreme Court Acting Justice Elliott Wilk denounces him as an inadequate, irresponsible and self-absorbed father. The judge says he doesn't know if the molestation happened, but bars Allen from seeing Dylan for at least six months and limits visits with other children. He also criticizes the Connecticut investigation that found no abuse.
September 1993:
In Litchfield, Conn., State's Attorney Frank Maco says there was "probable cause" to charge Allen with molesting Dylan and that police had drawn up an arrest warrant, but that he decided not to pursue the case, in part because it would traumatize Dylan. At his own news conference, Allen lashes out at Farrow, police and Maco. The director, who hasn't seen Dylan in 14 months, reads her a message: "I'm sorry I missed your eighth birthday ... I love you, and I miss you, and don't worry - the dark forces will not prevail."
May 1994:
Allen's appeal of the custody ruling is denied.
December 1996:
A judge denies Allen's request for better visitation terms, and says Allen still doesn't understand how he's made the children suffer.
June 1997:
Allen loses his bid for disciplinary action against Maco when a state panel rules that the prosecutor was acting within his rights when he announced he had evidence Allen had abused Dylan. Allen had charged that Maco's statement essentially convicted him of child abuse and prejudiced his custody fight.
December 1997:
Allen marries Soon-Yi in Venice, Italy. The couple continues on to France, where the newspaper Le Monde describes the American reaction to Farrow's charges as "the outrage of a certain America, family-oriented and puritanical, against a man that didn't conform enough..." Allen and Soon-Yi will go on to adopt two daughters, Bechtel and Manzie.
February 2012:
Allen wins his fourth Oscar for "Midnight in Paris."
October 2013:
In Vanity Fair, Dylan Farrow gives author Orth her first comments on the record, saying in part: "I have never been asked to testify. If I could talk to the seven-year-old Dylan, I would tell her to be brave, to testify."
January 2014:
Allen gets the Cecil B. DeMille lifetime achievement award at the Golden Globes; as is his practice, he doesn't attend. Ronan Farrow tweets: "Did they put the part where a woman publicly confirmed he molested her at age 7 before or after Annie Hall?" Mia Farrow tweets the next day: "A woman has publicly detailed Woody Allen's molestation of her at age 7. Golden Globe tribute showed contempt for her & all abuse survivors." (Robert Weide, director and producer of a PBS documentary about Allen, notes in a widely circulated article on The Daily Beast that Farrow had specifically agreed to the use of her "Purple Rose of Cairo" clip in the Globe montage.)
February 2014:
Dylan Farrow pens her open letter, which appears on the blog of New York Times columnist and Farrow friend Nicholas Kristof. "Woody Allen is a living testament to the way our society fails the survivors of sexual assault and abuse," she says. Allen's publicist responds: "Mr. Allen has read the article and found it untrue and disgraceful."



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I don't even care when they "technically" started their romantic relationship. I find it disgusting when any man can enter a sexual relationship with a girl he's watched grow up. "Father figure" aside. Even if it was just a friend of the family.. It's gross and beyond creepy. He's been a trusted adult and "family like" member since she was 12. And yes, let's not forget, it's his Son's sister. :faint:

This!!!
 
The bolded: I think it would have been better for her (Soon Yi) and her children if he had, indeed, simply run after he exploited her. Maybe he didn't legally molest her, but there is no way that relationship has a healthy power balance. Just no way on earth. I feel sorry for all the women and girls involved with this man.

Also, and I don't mean this combatively: I find it disturbing that you keep bringing up Mia Farrow's craziness as a reason that her daughter's allegations should be dismissed. Many many victims of abuse have mothers who are manipulative and crazy. It feels wrong to say that Dylan Farrow must be lying because her mom is unstable...

The brainwashing allegations against Mia Farrow have come out through magazine articles and second-hand accounts... BUT, allegations of Allen's sordid behaviour and amorality come from the same source... so why are the allegations against Mia more believable?

Mia Farrow seems nuts to me, but her ex-partner is just as nuts, based on the insane boundary-crossing he seems to want everyone to accept as normal and just "love" (or some such nonsense). Why is Farrow's nuttiness enough to indict her daughter as a fantasist, but Woody's nuttiness isn't enough to make his denials seem less believable?

Same here. The entire situation has nothing to do with Mia's blatant narcissism. Most of Hollywood is incredibly narcissistic, more narcissistic than the average human being by far. Her dodgy behaviour and self-serving attitude has little to do with her daughter's allegations and her partner grooming her adopted daughter into being his next child bride.

He groomed her. Maybe the grooming started at 17. Maybe it started at 12. The point is, she didn't just magically get feelings for him at 18. Or 19. Or probably even 20. He was a presence in her life. He psychologically manipulated a young girl into staying with him. He was an authority figure akin to a teacher. Whether or not sexual abuse was also there (in his relationship with Soon-Yi) doesn't matter. He played his cards right, acted like a father figure, and that's why they're together.

It would have definitely been better if he molested her and ran. Wtf? Instead, he made sure she latch onto him, I also have no doubt that the relationship is extremely unhealthy in terms of power imbalance. She has probably been gaslighted and emotionally abused to an extreme. She won't ever be able to escape it because it's all she's known from a young age. If Soon-Yi was ever molested by him, she won't ever get over it. He's literally "brainwashed" her into thinking this is normal and this is what normal relationships are like. The fact that some people only think Mia is a master manipulator and "brainwasher" is absolutely sick and disgusting.
 
my friend was abused by her stepdad. The pain and damage he caused her has never gone away. Even thirty plus years later just the mention of his name caused her nightmares. She has said so many of the same thing Mia's daughter writes about.
Perhaps Woody married his wife in order not to get in trouble. If he groomed her believing they were meant to be together and she at a young and vulnerable age fell for it then he had her on his side versus saying possible abuse happened to her too. If you have two victims the story might be more believable and people will take notice. To me he is a creep for going after a young girl which he literally raised as his daughter.

If you have money and fame you can get away with so much more than the average guy.
 
Just wanted to throw my opinions into the ring.

1. I completely believe Dylan. Woody is guilty of molesting her. The improper relationship with Mia's other adopted daughter Soon-Yi all but confirms his pedophilia/attraction to younger women he can be a "father figure" to, but, even if some of you consider that a stretch, and think Dylan might be lying, can I just point you to this 1976 People magazine interview? (read the last paragraph if you can't be bothered with any of the rest of it. It'll give you the chills.) http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20066950,00.html

2. Ronan is totally Frank Sinatra's biological son. ;)
 
He goes on: "I'm open-minded about sex. I'm not above reproach; if anything, I'm below reproach. I mean, if I was caught in a love nest with 15 12-year-old girls tomorrow, people would think, yeah, I always knew that about him." Allen pauses. "Nothing I could come up with would surprise anyone," he ventures helplessly. "I admit to it all."

:wtf:
 
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