I have to say, the vache liegee has really surprised me - I wanted a stiff leather like box, chevre or VL, in a dark neutral, and this opportunity came along - THANKS to my PF sister (you know who you are) and kisses to you! :kiss: - so I grabbed it! I find the VL is supple and soft in a way I never imagined. I am really really happy with this one and hope I can wait a while now for the next one!