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Hello dear. Just wondering if by any chance you are Franziska on VC? If so: I bought the lovely red Hermès Evelyne TPM from you just a few weeks ago.
You're one of the best and nicest selles on VC: always quick in your response and keeping the buyer updated regarding the shipping. One of the few sellers I -still- buy high end designer items from: so confident that the items you sell are truly as described and genuine!
Our paths will certtainly cross again.
Kind regards. Marianne
Hahaha, Marianne! The (purse) world is so small! Yes, it is me! It is always a pleasure to meet lovely TPFers on other platforms and vice versa. Thanks so much for the kind compliment! I am so glad that the beautiful Evelyne has found a better home and I thoroughly enjoyed my transaction with you. I, too, usually keep an eye on who I buy from (obviously my mind played tricks on me regarding the necklace) and prefer reaching out to known and trustworthy people that have proven to be reliable. I know a couple of sellers on VC from transactions on other platforms and will stick to these in future. I hope we will have the pleasure to “meet“ again soon!
 
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Hi everyone! I need some help from other individual seller. I just sold an gold ring and have to ship it to VC. About the prepaid shipping label, do I need a special tag printer or can I just print it in a A4 regular paper and glue it to pack?
 
Thank you for answering.

I just bought a dress from VC, but it fits a bit too small, so I put it back up.

I do need to lose a bit of weight, so that's why I'm having doubts as I do really like the dress.

Yes, it is possible to withdraw an item that you’ve sold, but this will affect your rating as a seller - it will reduce the percentage of compliant items you are shown as having sold.

I totally get where you’re coming from (quite a lot of my items for sale are things I once hoped to diet into, only some of which I eventually do!!) and I really do sympathise, but I have misgivings about doing this.

As a buyer, a less than perfect seller rating puts me off, and this sort of thing does contribute towards the negative experiences many people post here, so it knocks on to affect all buyers and sellers and isn’t really VC’s fault.

As a seller, I want to be really trustworthy and I am proud and protective of my ranking and 100% compliance rate. Sometimes I’ve had second thoughts about selling something, but if it’s just sold before I take it off, I feel it’s only fair to the buyer to follow through, so I have honoured the sale anyway.

I have my gripes with VC but on the whole I have a good experience buying and selling (and have posted tips elsewhere, in this thread I think). This post I’m replying to is quite old but if you’re like me you scour the old postings too for any advice available!
 
I have listed several items to sell on vestiaire after positive buying experiences. I have accepted three offers for one item and two offers for another and the buyers have not paid so the "negotiation has timed out".

Since you cannot tell who is negotiating on your items, I cannot tell if it is just jerks who think it is fun to make offers and not pay or what.

Is this typical? Have others had lots of accepted offers not follow thru with payment or is it just something with me? I am pretty frustrated. At least on eBay if the bidder has poor feedback you know what to expect...

As a buyer, I can appreciate the need for a cool off period. Maybe they’re seeing what comes back on offers on alternative items before they decide which to buy, which is fair enough.

As a seller, I try to bear this in mind, but I do agree that some buyers are just plain annoying.

You actually can tell which buyer profile is negotiating on your item via the offer facility, if you click on the VC profile pic in the app. Don’t know about the website. It doesn’t give you much information but you can see if they are sellers themselves, etc. It’s a tiny bit better than nothing. But they are not rated, the buyers. If you can see from their profiles that they are poor sellers you might want to avoid selling to them. I do get fed up with buyers who repeatedly fail to buy when I’ve accepted their offers, or keep bombarding me with silly low offers in the public postings (and to retain my high seller rating I have to reply every time!). I had one buyer repeatedly make silly offers via the posting instead of the offer system, in the middle of the night - insomnia? Or something else? It wasn’t a time difference, I’m in the UK and so were they. At least I could see it all came from the same person, so I just kept politely declining.

Most of my VC buying and selling has been good, I’ve posted elsewhere in this thread. Negatives have been minor and I think this thread mostly highlights the negatives because people are less inclined to post positives. It’s actually been a convenient godsend for me, despite its faults. I’ve bought clearly authentic Fendi and Balenciaga and Dolce and Gabbana bags at fantastic prices in perfect condition. But these were easy to see as authentic - the only possibility for non-compliance would have been (a) condition being not as good as it did in the photos and (b) a different item to the one in the photos being sent. In either of those two cases I would not be worried about getting a refund.

From my experience I would exclect VC to do the right thing if approached in the right way, and I always use PayPal for additional protection. I would be more cautious about buying something like Hermès or Chanel just because of the large amounts of money involved but I would still expect resolution if there were problems. It’s shocking to hear of people receiving ‘compliant’ fakes but I do wonder if these are actually a very small proportion of the enormous amount sold. It shouldn’t happen at all, of course.

I have noticed very obviously fake Gucci bags with the ‘We Love’ endorsement - I think it’s because it’s simply policy to put ‘We Love’ on certain models, or the work experience girl was on that day ...? Should not happen. But I do expect that the vast majority of these would be rejected by QC and then the worst that can happen to a buyer is that their money is tied up for a few weeks. Annoying, but a bit the name of the game.

Maybe it’s got better - I’m replying in 2018 to a 2015 post, and I’ve had 99% good experience with about 80 sales and 10 purchases.
 
Hello everyone,
I have another update regarding VC. Today, I placed an offer on an item. Later, I saw in my notifications that the offer had been refused and that the seller had started following my activities. At first, I thought I was seeing ghosts but when I checked, I saw that I had not put the item on my wishlist just placed the offer. So it is not possible that the seller just started following me bc he/she saw that I had put her item on my wishlist.
This is completely inappropriate and unacceptable in my opinion, but I don't know how to go on about it. I know that someone else on TPF has had a similar case where she found out that the seller had seen who'd placed the offer. Any suggestions how to deal with this?
Any seller receiving offers can look at which profile the offer is from, actually, by clicking on the little black round ‘V’ profile pic that is next to the offer in her notifications (I’m referring to the app; the website may be the same but I’m not sure). Of course this only tells the seller which profile made the offer - no further personal info is either public or private between the two of you. Only VC has access to any more information than that. So the seller probably started following you because you showed an interest in her item, and it doesn’t mean much. It might mean that she will come back to you in the future by posting a message on an item you’re selling yourself - she might want to test the market by leaving the item for sale longer. I wouldn’t be too worried about this, and it is some protection for a seller against being given the runaround by the same buyer over and over again - if you see the same person who keeps offering and never buying, you can decline their offer. I think that’s reasonable really.
 
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I know some of the posts here are quite old now but thought people still might like more answers about Vestiaire Collective! I posted some of this a few weeks ago but I can’t find it - as a relative newcomer to TPF I wonder if was breaching some forum etiquette maybe, by writing too long a post? Please let me know if so! Must confess I have not read any rules in full. Have posted a few points above, and have some additional stuff I think might be useful.

I would really have liked some more information from other people’s experience before I started buying and selling on VC as I was very, very wary, and there isn’t a lot on the VC site to help and reassure. I started slowly and carefully and have been buying and selling on VC for about 2 years now, have had 99% good experience, and on the whole I think there are a lot of negative myths about it that aren’t really true. I see a lot of posts here where I think ‘I wish I’d been able to tell her what I knew about this!’ so I’m putting down everything I can think of. In my experience VC are basically genuine and do endeavour to do the right thing.

I am a too-impulsive buyer of fashion with an overstocked wardrobe that needs thinning out and a bank balance that would benefit from some return on the items I no longer wear or never got around to wearing! As VC has been such a useful site for me, I feel a bit evangelistic about challenging the negative myths but equally evangelistic about holding VC to account when they do things wrong, which obviously they do. Some people’s experiences posted here are truly awful. It’s in all our interests to be totally honest about the cons, but also about the pros. I want to keep buying and selling there and it’s useful for other people too so the more we can straighten it out, the better.

Like any company, sometimes things can go a bit wrong, but I haven’t had any disasters. I’m laid up with a bad back and time on my hands .... So ... Over the next few posts and in addition to my previous posts above, here are my answers, for what they are worth, to some issues raised, from my experience, and a bit of an essay including things I’d like to have known before I started!
 
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It is true that delivery of purchased items can be slow. Some of this is understandable - it’s a second-hand site, items are mostly being shipped from independent individuals via VC to the end buyer - some of it less so. First, a seller has a month to ship to VC - this is in the T&Cs so you know this before you buy, so it’s fair to expect this. There could be a delay if a seller is on holiday but they should have advised VC of this and it should be posted on the seller’s profile page and also the buyer will be advised, but I don’t know if that is before or after the actual purchase. Perhaps someone here knows this? Admittedly some sellers probably don’t post this, which is annoying, but should be reflected to a certain extent, I believe, in their ranking (not certain; see below). I always ship sold items (from UK) by next working day with DHL and they reach Paris the next day. DHL collects from my door or I can drop off at a DHL collection point. The alternative Hermes delivery from the UK, which I tried only once because no DHL collection is available at the weekend (except at a drop off point), is ridiculously slow. They do chase sellers weekly and automatically inform the buyer. However then there’s quality control - in my experience items have always been through that within 2 working days - and then comes a potentially really slow bit - DHL shipping is very good, quick and reliable with detailed tracking, and they use that for more expensive items, but Colissimo shipping from VC, used for less valuable goods, is often outrageously slow and has vague, incomprehensible tracking. Receiving things in the UK, Colissimo hands over to DPD, and it’s fine once it reaches DPD who are very good with tracking and delivery (download the app), but the tracking from VC is poor and there’s no linkage of the Colissimo tracking number to the DPD tracking number that I can see. They really need to improve this. I’ve always received my items in the end but I can’t see how they would find them with this poor tracking if something was lost en route or even identify the fact that something has been lost.
 
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VC is to a great extent dependent on the behaviour of sellers who sell on the platform, but in my experience to date they do offer you protection against items which don’t match the seller’s description, or have flaws the seller didn’t mention.

I’ve bought several fairly high end bags via VC (paid up to £3000ish) all at very good discounts, very much the real thing, and in excellent condition - in fact, all unused or used just once with no sign of wear. I expect there are fakes out there but mostly you can identify something obviously fake appearing on the site (though I’m very far from being an expert, and it must be much harder when you get into higher-end and high-end vintage items where there are also pretty high quality frauds in existence). There’s a weird looking ‘Gucci’ or ‘Givenchy’ occasionally turns up: there is a truly horrible pink ‘Gucci Broadway’ on the site for a good few months now that looks as if it came out of a Christmas cracker! I suspect it’s difficult for VC to reject everything at the listing stage for all sorts of reasons we are not privy to, but I have reasonable confidence that it wouldn’t pass quality control and you’d get your money back. If it did pass quality control, but was later identified as fake after you’ve received it, there’s lots of advice in this forum about using PayPal to help, etc. (Don’t use a debit card or a bank transfer to pay!). A lot of people here seem to find PayPal very helpful in disputes.) I suspect that the cases in which VC has outright refused to refund for a verified fake are actually proportionally pretty low in the context of overall sales. Which doesn’t make it right, but I don’t think it means the whole thing is a dead loss. From some reviews you’d think the site was completely flooded with fakes and they all pass quality control - you can never say never, but from my experience, and from the fact that people tend to post about negatives more often than positives, I suspect that this really isn’t the case the majority of the time.

This of course is just my experience and perhaps I’ve been lucky.

As a seller, I missed a slightly unravelled seam on a dress I sold (only time I missed something in masses of sales!). VC flagged it up in quality control, sent me and the buyer photos of the flaw, offered the buyer a chance to reject the dress, but she decided to take it anyway. They would also have offered her a lower price if she’d been unhappy. To keep things clear, I always check my items really carefully, photograph them thoroughly, and highlight any flaws, however tiny, in the description.

It works both ways. I have bought items which they have offered me the chance to back out of at the quality control stage - one was simply a matter of an original receipt not having been provided with a handbag I bought, and the seller hadn’t even originally offered one, so they were going above and beyond in protecting me there. I was confident when they told me the bag (a really nice Fendi) was genuine and in very good condition, and indeed it was.

They refunded me automatically in the stated time period (30 days) when another item I’d bought failed to show. It’s difficult to see how they could do this much more quickly when they are dependent on sellers shipping on time. In this case a courier lost it. They are good about chasing sellers every week after sale if an item hasn’t been sent, and they notify the buyer that they’ve done this too. When I buy something from a second hand site and there are so many variables and the T&Cs have a time period in them, I feel it’s reasonable to accept the situation.

If a seller pulls out of a sale immediately, you as buyer get an immediate cancellation/refund, at least I did, paying via PayPal. This happened once to me with a handbag I bought (and a further note - I suspect it was a fake, and the seller backed out and withdrew the item when I started asking specific questions about it after I’d bought - which obviously I should have done before buying, but I was inexperienced - I think she realised she was getting rumbled - DO communicate with sellers, you can get a good feel for the kind of person you’re buying from).

VC lost the belt to a dress I bought and shipped it to me without it - they gave me the option for a full refund and then would have relisted the dress, sans belt, on their own behalf, no loss to me at all. A pity, but resolved.

With regard to returns, some sellers are professional, which is clearly stated, and you can get a full refund for returns within two weeks of receiving the goods (not within two weeks of placing the order, as some people seem to think, so delayed delivery should not affect this). Return shipping is then free, with a label they email to you, at least from where I am in the UK, though as with any other refunds you’ll have paid the original shipping fee (probably can claim that back too if you’re sending back because it wasn’t as described, though). I don’t much like that you can’t see what proportion of professional sellers’ sold items have passed quality control, but the right to return does protect you from disasters.

It’s true you can’t return an item you’ve bought from a non-professional seller which was compliant at quality control (unless you’re querying the quality control, like I had to with the lost belt, when I was offered a satisfactory resolution by customer service) but you can relist and they only charge a small transaction fee, not the same high commission they charged the seller again. Of course it might not sell, or for the same price. It’s a risk, and depends how much you think you want the item, really, and an occupational hazard of buying pre-owned goods. I don’t have much experience on EBAY so I don’t know how that would compare.
 
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As regards wondering whether something that’s been online a long time is really still available, and not wanting to tie your money up for 30 days just to find out, which somebody expressed concern about, I’d suggest messaging the seller two or three times before buying. If they reply it’s a good sign. I’ve got a few things up that have been there a long time while other things sold quickly (about 75% sold quickly) but the older things are still available and in the same condition and it would be a shame if people just assumed they weren’t really available without asking. If the seller keeps ignoring your message, I wouldn’t buy, unless you don’t mind having your money tied up for a while. Chances are they’ve forgotten about the listing or already sold elsewhere. Communicating with the seller is a good idea most of the time anyway.

I don’t believe it’s true that every ‘Ready to ship’ item is something previously returned. Some people send large consignments to VC for selling directly from Paris. (Personally I wouldn’t do this because I want more control over my items and their pricing - VC processes so many thousands of items, something’s bound to get lost in the system sometime, even though it should not).
 
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It’s not actually true as some people appear to have thought that there is no system at all of rating sellers. It’s just not done directly by buyers. Some sellers are ‘Recommended’, and this is based on their record of items sold matching their description and photos, shipping sold items to VC quickly, and responding to messages and offers online quickly.

Of course some of this depends on whether you trust VC’s quality control as regards compliance. My experience of quality control has been ok on getting on for 100 transactions and on balance I imagine that you’re unlikely to get so many bad items waved through as compliant that an individual seller would undeservedly get the recommended seller status over a fair number of sales on such a basis.

You can see how many items a seller has sold somewhere in the product description. If you download the app, you can see on each seller’s page if there is a little gold flag attached to their profile picture, and if you click on it it tells you what percentage of their items have been compliant at quality control. If it’s high, I take that as an encouraging sign. This may be less compelling if they haven’t sold many items yet, but we all have to start somewhere (although caution, I suspect some people open multiple or serial accounts and sell only a couple of things in each in order to avoid looking like a seller who has sold a lot which wasn’t compliant). I personally would avoid a non-professional who has sold a lot of items yet doesn’t have a ‘Recommended’ little gold flag. (NB this doesn’t apply in quite the same way to professional sellers - see above).

I often contact my buyers via posts on items they’re selling (harder if they are not selling - they might not notice if you post on your item that they’ve bought) because I want them to be reassured I’m taking their purchase seriously, have shipped swiftly, etc. I love it when I get a reply, especially if they put a positive message on the page for the item they bought - I love knowing my unneeded item has gone to a happy home, and if every buyer did this we could get a better sense of whether a seller is good seller by looking at a seller’s sold items. VC are not going to be deleting positive feedback.

Note that since the recent app upgrade, sellers’ sold items are not showing any more in their main selling pages on the app, but if you go to the website you can still see these in full including any comments left by buyers. I would definitely do this. It has been observed on this forum that some critical comments have been censored and removed by VC but largely you can still get some sort of a picture of a seller this way.

I do not fully understand how the ranking is calculated. My ranking is quite high, but I have no idea why, and I don’t know if everything that goes into it is relevant to the buyer’s needs. I personally would pay a lot more attention to the number of items sold and the proportion of them which were compliant.

Personally I’m quite glad that buyers aren’t the ones doing the rating because not every buyer is going to be scrupulous. VC offers some protection against that and stood by me when a buyer falsely claimed that the beautiful brand new suede jacket I sold her for a knock-down price wasn’t suede (it was!) and left a derogatory remark on the item page. VC removed the comment at my request, because it was verifiably not true. (In this connection, I also thought about selling on HEWI, but after several contact attempts just to find out what protections try could give buyer against seller and vice versa, and HEWI just never bothering to respond, my confidence in them wasn’t great!)
 
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They pay sellers for sold goods twice a month, and I have never had to chase this. They are as regular as clockwork with me, so on this and the issue of refunds for non-appearing goods, they do adhere to what they say in the FAQs and T&Cs. You just have to know what to expect and make sure you are happy with the small print before you get involved. I don’t know if they still do the ‘Wallet’ thing; if they do I wouldn’t use it - PayPal works very smoothly and I don’t have to give VC any bank details. (Related to this, I have seen some people post here that they have been asked for copies of passports etc - frankly I would never give anyone but government officials, my bank etc or an airline for purposes of flying any info from my passport - just imagine the potential for identity fraud - I would not buy if I had to give my passport, full stop!)
 
As a seller the most annoying things I find are:
(1) when they want you to sell something for less than you want - but you can try bargaining on this, there’s a system. When they’re putting a massive amount of stuff online they might be paying less attention and rush valuations through. You can query this. If they stick to a lower price it’s often that they really know it just won’t sell higher, or are hoping for a quicker sale, which you as a seller might want too. The sad reality could sometimes be that however expensive and wonderful your item is, its resale value might not be all that you hope. Some things just lose value the minute they are pre-owned, regardless of being pristine and unused. I’ve argued about prices, got the higher price accepted eventually, then failed to sell for ages until I drop the price. On the other hand, an item is worth whatever someone is willing pay for it, and you only have to find the one buyer who wants your item, and I’ve also sold high very quickly when I’ve persuaded them to accept my higher price. They won’t want to price something a lot higher than comparable items already listed, either, which from their point of view is possibly reasonable, unless they’ve undervalued everything. If you really think they’ve got it seriously wrong, just try again another time. And again. I’m sure it’s a lot to do with who happens to do the ‘curation’ that day, and how busy they are. I know that Mondays are really busy.
(2) The same thing often applies to rejected photos. Sometimes they will tell me they won’t accept a main picture of a garment on a mannequin - though most of the time I do photograph them this way because it gives a clearer idea of what the garment is really like - mostly they just use the mannequin images without query, sometimes I contact customer services and it gets through in the end. I would stick to your guns about which image you know represents your item most accurately. If no go, try again another day.
(3) Commission is so high. But on the other hand, in my experience, they offer a pretty smooth service. If something sells, I just print out the DHL label they provide included (Hermes option not so good — very slow!) and get DHL to collect my goods. They’re in Paris next day and through quality control within two or three days. I get paid automatically twice a month to my PayPal account. And they protect me against unscrupulous buyers in a way I wouldn’t get if selling on EBAY, I believe (but again, I don’t know much about EBAY, I just like the way VC takes care of everything for me). Incidentally the commission is not calculated as a flat rate depending on the price bracket of the item, but is a bit like an income tax calculation where the first x portion is calculated at a certain rate, then the next x at the next rate and added on, etc, so the discrepancies some people notice are not actually discrepancies but just a particular type of calculation. Just make sure you are happy with the ‘On the site: £xx/For you: £xx’ before you go ahead.
(4) Buyers whose offer you accept who can then hold on to the option for 24 hours so you can’t accept other offers, then don’t buy anyway. There’s not a lot you can do about this, however the item is still available to other buyers at the full price during this time, so there is a balance. And from the buyer’s point of view I can see that the time frame gives you a chance not to rush into something you might change your mind about, or see if alternative offers get accepted etc. The one thing I think VC could improve about this is to keep track of buyer behaviour and bar people who very frequently and repeatedly fail to purchase things they’ve had offers accepted on. You can however monitor this to some extent yourself because when you receive an offer through the offer system, you can tap on the profile logo next to the offer and you can see which profile is offering. If you get a nuisance buyer who keeps offering and never buys, just decline them. Some buyers might have good reason for offering multiple times. I try to be polite and patient, but firm in the event of real nuisances.

I find customer services on the whole to be pretty respectful and helpful, when I approach them respectfully. Occasionally they can be a tad aloof - sometimes though I wonder if they’ve just got off the phone with a customer who was rude to them. I’ve certainly had both buyers and sellers be unjustifiably rude to me. In my experience persistence and courtesy usually pay off and sometimes I even enjoy my chats with the customer services ladies! I think they have a massive workload.

In truth on balance, I think the basic question I wanted answered when I started using VC is ‘Is it genuine, competent and honest’, and actually, I have to say, IMO and IME yes it is genuine in intention, it is mostly competent, any problems can usually be sorted out satisfactorily, some (not all) people’s negative experiences are as a result of not checking the T&Cs in full before starting (understandable!), and a lot of the shortcomings are more about the nature of selling and buying preowned goods than about VC itself. No doubt it’s making massive profits, and of course they’re in it to make money, but it’s an unwieldy, sprawling business to manage, and I still feel I benefit from the service.

Well, that’s everything I can think of, over the last few posts! I would be very happy to hear if anyone can fill in any gaps I’ve left or if anyone thinks I’ve got anything wrong.
 
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Correction: I’ve just seen that a professional seller I was looking at in the VC app did have a gold flag and an indication of their compliance rate. Perhaps this is the first time I’ve stumbled across a professional seller who had a good compliance rate and the ones I saw before were all just lacking, or maybe this is new.
 
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