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#16
^^^ Perhaps you haven't read all the posts ... ?!

I find it sad if you really think this is black and white since that just leaves us with fanatics. And what's with the "true activist", who said anything about that?

But if this where black and white would that mean that meat eaters aren't "concerned about the safety and well being of animals"?

Each to her own, I say.
 
#17
Livia1 said:
^^^ Perhaps you haven't read all the posts ... ?!

I find it sad if you really think this is black and white since that just leaves us with fanatics. And what's with the "true activist", who said anything about that?

But if this where black and white would that mean that meat eaters aren't "concerned about the safety and well being of animals"?

Each to her own, I say.
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Totally agree. :tup:
 
#18
I was a vegetarian that ate eggs and drank milk/ate dairy products for about 5 or 6 years and I was opposed to using animal products that resulted in the animal having to die so I did not wear leather during that time. To me, it was a moral dilemma so eating meat/wearing leather were one and the same. I bought ballet shoes that were canvas and even wore a pair of Doc Martens that were made from "vegetarian" leather. I am no longer vegetarian now and do wear leather shoes and bags and do not feel guilty about it. I think it's fine to say that you choose not to eat meat as a matter of health, and still wear leather products. But if you're opposed to an animal dying for meat, then in my opinion you should be opposed to the leather industry too as I think they're both different sides of the same coin.
BTW, why do people say they're vegetarians but then say that they eat fish? That used to bug me no end when I was a vegetarian when people would say, yeah, me too, and then I'd see them eating a fish fillet sandwich from McDonald's LOL!
 
#19
I think it's a very personal decision. I'm a vegetarian who wears leather but if it doesn't feel right to you, then it just isn't right for you. I do have 2 Matt and Nat (vegan) bags and a wallet on the way though that I'm really excited about!:wlae:
 
#20
StageMum said:
I was a vegetarian that ate eggs and drank milk/ate dairy products for about 5 or 6 years and I was opposed to using animal products that resulted in the animal having to die so I did not wear leather during that time. To me, it was a moral dilemma so eating meat/wearing leather were one and the same. I bought ballet shoes that were canvas and even wore a pair of Doc Martens that were made from "vegetarian" leather. I am no longer vegetarian now and do wear leather shoes and bags and do not feel guilty about it. I think it's fine to say that you choose not to eat meat as a matter of health, and still wear leather products. But if you're opposed to an animal dying for meat, then in my opinion you should be opposed to the leather industry too as I think they're both different sides of the same coin.
BTW, why do people say they're vegetarians but then say that they eat fish? That used to bug me no end when I was a vegetarian when people would say, yeah, me too, and then I'd see them eating a fish fillet sandwich from McDonald's LOL!
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I have a friend who thinks she's a vegetarian but eats turkey and things cooked in chicken broth. People are funny.:p
 
#22
Many people eat in many different ways for the sake of their health. If a person is a vegetarian for health reasons, then there is no conflict with buying leather products. If a person is a vegetarian for moral reasons, then I personally see a conflict between vegetarianism and buying leather.

I was ovo-lacto veg (never vegan) for health reasons for almost 20 years. I have recently started eating almost exclusively locally and incorporating some meat into my diet. I have always purchased leather goods. I make sure that all the meat I eat was raised in a humane way - free range with no hormones or antibiotics - but I haven't been as careful with the leather products I buy. I suppose it is next to impossible to determine how an animal was raised before its hide was used for production, though.
 
#24
As I wrote I "have been" a vegetarian for 17 years. Now that I eat fish, I no longer consider myself a vegetarian. That annoyd the h... out of me too when I actually was a vegetarian.
 
#25
Livia1 said:
^^^ Perhaps you haven't read all the posts ... ?!

I find it sad if you really think this is black and white since that just leaves us with fanatics. And what's with the "true activist", who said anything about that?

But if this where black and white would that mean that meat eaters aren't "concerned about the safety and well being of animals"?

Each to her own, I say.
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I'm sorry that you find my opinions as "sad" however that's what they are. I have read the posts. To me and others, it would be and is in fact a black and white area. True vegetarians find no interest in anything that revolves around the consumption of anything that has to do with flesh. Nor would they have any interest wearing or sporting any form of skin on them. Wether an animal was killed once and used for several purposes or many were killed for one purpose, the fact of the matter is, there was still an animal killed. Either we agree to this fact or we don't. Please tell me where there is room for more misconception?

Do we need to eat meat or use any form of skin on us? No we don't Do we choose to? Yes. Most of us do. However if you're going to label yourself a vegetarian, you should do so 100% If not, you are just like the rest of animal eating & skin wearing mortals.
 
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#26
I'm vegetarian, although technically pescetarian, since I do occasionally eat fish. I do it solely for dietary reasons, so I don't feel that I have a conflict with my diet and using animal products.

If you're going to stop carrying leather bags for moral reasons, then have you also considered other animal products that are used in your daily life? Leather shoes and belts? Car seats? Honey, sugar, gelatin? Makeup and perfumes? Foods and toys for your pets?

There are many levels of what we call vegetarianism/veganism and many different reasons for why we choose to adhere to one lifestyle over another. At the end of the day, to each her own.
 
#27
mockinglee said:
I'm vegetarian, although technically pescetarian, since I do occasionally eat fish. I do it solely for dietary reasons, so I don't feel that I have a conflict with my diet and using animal products.

If you're going to stop carrying leather bags for moral reasons, then have you also considered other animal products that are used in your daily life? Leather shoes and belts? Car seats? Honey, sugar, gelatin? Makeup and perfumes? Foods and toys for your pets?

There are many levels of what we call vegetarianism/veganism and many different reasons for why we choose to adhere to one lifestyle over another. At the end of the day, to each her own.
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i agree with you 100% however the the true vegetarian that is doing it for the purpose of being more of a "humanitarian" will abide by all that would change his/her way of living her every day life. ie... shoes, belts, carseats, honey, sugar...etc
 
#28
^Well I do believe that my view on things could be called a 'grey area'. I don't like it when people think something is or should be either white or black.. I mean it is just a fact that there are a lot of people on this globe that will never give up eating meat. So in stead of them indulging in this, I think there is a more animal friendly way of consuming meat where there is no animal suffering. That is what I referred to as the 'biological' meat I buy. I am not completely against eating meat, but I am COMPLETELY against the mass meat industry and the unhealthy and unfriendly environment these poor creatures have to spend their life in...

So if it can't be all white, let's not rule out the grey please?!
 
#29
Roxana said:
^Well I do believe that my view on things could be called a 'grey area'. I don't like it when people think something is or should be either white or black.. I mean it is just a fact that there are a lot of people on this globe that will never give up eating meat. So in stead of them indulging in this, I think there is a more animal friendly way of consuming meat where there is no animal suffering. That is what I referred to as the 'biological' meat I buy. I am not completely against eating meat, but I am COMPLETELY against the mass meat industry and the unhealthy and unfriendly environment these poor creatures have to spend their life in...

So if it can't be all white, let's not rule out the grey please?!
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if you read my posts, i did say...there is lil room for shade of grey. :yes:
 
#30
True vegetarians find no interest in anything that revolves around the consumption of anything that has to do with flesh. Nor would they have any interest wearing or sporting any form of skin on them.
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I think you mean, vegan. There's a difference. I was a TRUE vegan for 5 years ... no honey, no sugar.......! And yes, I do find it very sad when people judge other peoples opinions and choices.

You might have read all the post but you seem to think that we all agree. We don't. There are quite a lot of different opinions in this thread.

Last but not least, I'll say this a third time then, I do not call myself a vegetarian since I eat fish and poultry and own leather accessories.

Again, to each to her own.
 
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