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Paging @BigAkoya I know you love to advise!

With the new hair color (and IDK, maybe my mood), I feel like I can do WG again and want to plan to add some pieces to my list.

Bear in mind my Love bracelet is the (since discontinued) two-piece which is both PG and WG AND I plan to add the Noeud ring, which is also both PG and WG.

As you know, I’m a sparkly girl and want it to be pave.

I personally would do WG Magic Pave but my SA thinks it’s redundant because I have the YG Pave Magic Earrings and Pendant. (TBH if money/time were not an issue I would get rid of my YG pieces, order the Magic Pave Pendant in PG, and then either order PG Pave Magic Earrings and get WG Pave 3 motif or order PG Pave 3 motif and get WG Magic Pave)

I proceeded to try on other WG Pave earrings but didn’t really love them. Cosmos sit too low (they were ok). I don’t like Socrate, Fleurette or Lotus. I tried the new Perlee but they’re not substantial enough for me. I have small Frivole and I don’t need another pair in that collection. I happen to like the way Alhambras look on my ears, because they tend to hide the fact that my piercings are uneven and the Magic size don’t “disappear“ on me.

My SA suggested the Two Butterfly. They didn’t have in person but she thinks the WG Pave/PG Pink Sapphire pair would be perfect (and I could get a second wg pave earring). I held a ring up to my ear and it looked ok, but I think they will be too small, so I definitely need to see in person.

Am I forgetting any other WG earrings? Im not against adding pieces from other lines, but I happen to like the Magic Alhambra pieces very much (I also like Palmyre, but at that price it would have to wait until after a possible Liane….so, not for many years). I do like mix-and-match options. I have gone back and forth over the years about the Two Butterfly collection as to whether it’s for me. And I would love your opinion - and anyone else’s too!!!
Hi! Okay... here are my thoughts... right or wrong, here is my point of view...

On WG...
I believe 100% ANYONE can wear white metal... White Gold or Platinum.
Platinum is the choice of high jewelry, and no one ever looks bad wearing a million dollar platinum diamond necklace, regardless of their hair or skin color. All you see is pure diamond bling. There is no metal to compete with the diamonds or soften the look.

Marketing has brainwashed us to match jewelry to our skin tone (more sales for retailers). I completely disagree with this brainwash. Diamonds look magnificent in WG/platinum. A jewelry piece should be the star, and the piece should have nothing to do with skin tone.

It's the same reason why I love my green Coco Handle handbag (or my yellow bag, or my orange bag). Do these colors match my skin tone? I don't even give that a thought because the bags look awesome in all its colorful glory. Each pieces stands on its own and is the star. That's what jewelry should be. I hope that analogy made sense.

A bit of fun "jewelry trivia"...
Prior to WWII, platinum was the primary metal for jewelry (Edwardian Era, Art Deco Era). The strength of platinum allowed for artistic pieces to use less metal to highlight the stones. However, during WWII, the US declared platinum as a strategic metal (for military planes), and the use of platinum was banned for non-military purposes, including jewelry. Hence, that's when YG blossomed. So back then, as it is should be now... the use of metal has nothing to do with skin color.

For you... you are such a diamond and bling lover, I would absolutely switch to WG pave.

On what earrings to get...
I think the butterfly earrings will be too small on you. I have tiny ears, and even I think they are on the small side, along with the butterfly being a bit too cutesy. They are definitely not statement earrings, and I think they will not have enough presence for the look you want. Like you, I have tried the Butterfly collection. I have tried both the earrings and BTF ring, twice, and both times, there was no ear to ear grin. I'm not going for a third time. I have purchased enough jewelry to know love at first sight. I keep trying because many TPFers have expressed their love for this collection. However, for me, after two attempts, I know I will never love the Butterfly collection, and I am buying just to buy more VCA which is not a good reason.

Since you like big earrings, big bling, and flowers... I would suggest Flowerlace earrings. Those earrings are gorgeous, and they will pop on you. You cannot miss them when worn. They are a completely different look the Frivole, so it is not a duplicate. Flowerlace also makes a matching short pendant as well as a ring in case you might want a set. If you want bling, the earrings and the short pendant worn together are gorgeous. Here is the link to the Flowerlace collection:

That's my suggestion for something different. By the way, I love the Snowflake drop pear-shape earrings, but I don't quite see you as a Snowflake gal which is why I did not suggest it (the Snowflake look is a bit too planned, formal, & stuffy. I see your look more as effortless chic, with deliberate bling).

That said... my real suggestion for you...
While I think Flowerlace is beautiful for something different, this is what I would truly recommend for you...
Sell your YG Magic pave set, and build a gorgeous WG Magic set. My gut says you really love the Magic logo look. I feel it's you, your look, and the WG Magic pave pieces will become part of your core pieces. We love our jewelry collection, but everyone always has core pieces we constantly grab that just makes us feel like a million bucks. I think for you, WG Magic pave is it. You can wear it with shorts, jeans, bohemian flowing dresses, or black tie, and you will look fabulous. WG Magic pave is pure diamond bling in all its glory; there is no substitution for you in my mind.

On your existing YG pieces...
As you know, I got rid of all my YG jewelry. I have zero regrets. I have never felt bad about the loss of money. On the contrary, I felt liberated! It was like whew! I felt I could start fresh and not have this anchor of YG pieces I felt compelled to wear because I spent so much money on them. Nope... gone! Out of sight, and truly out of mind!
Time to look forward to an exciting new chapter in my jewelry collection.

Everyone's taste changes as we move through life. We do not bat an eye changing our clothing style or tossing out old clothes.
Yet for some reason, women feel so guilty letting go of jewelry... another brainwash of the "jewelry is forever to pass down" marketing theme.

Men never feel guilty about getting rid of old stuff. "I am sick of my old Porsche, getting rid of it and buying a new one." Or, "My boat is two years old; I need the latest model." :biggrin::heart:

I personally would not feel guilty selling my pieces knowing I will take a loss. Jewelry is for pleasure, not for investment.

My vote for you... Sell your YG Magic pave and build that gorgeous WG Magic set. You will not regret it; you love Magic pave, it's you, it screams VCA; it's your fabulous look.

One other thought...
If you are going to build a WG collection, you may also want to get an all WG ring (I forgot what other rings you have). You already have a lot of PG, and I put Noeud into the PG/mixed metal category. For me, if you do not already have WG rings, I would get a blingy WG ring to add to your WG collection.

Yikes... that was a long post! Sorry, I got carried away... time to zip it!
I hope this was helpful in your decision on what to do. Good luck! :hugs:
 
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Omg this necklace is crazy pretty!! Is she layering an alternating 10 motif with the solid 20 motif? The hot pink color is so saturated and the color looks quite even so it makes me think it’s likely porcelain? It seems a different shade than the limited edition raspberry pink porcelain one I think.
There is also a paler pink porcelain that came in 10 motif and bracelet. The pics here are filtered.
 
Paging @BigAkoya I know you love to advise!

With the new hair color (and IDK, maybe my mood), I feel like I can do WG again and want to plan to add some pieces to my list.

Bear in mind my Love bracelet is the (since discontinued) two-piece which is both PG and WG AND I plan to add the Noeud ring, which is also both PG and WG.

As you know, I’m a sparkly girl and want it to be pave.

I personally would do WG Magic Pave but my SA thinks it’s redundant because I have the YG Pave Magic Earrings and Pendant. (TBH if money/time were not an issue I would get rid of my YG pieces, order the Magic Pave Pendant in PG, and then either order PG Pave Magic Earrings and get WG Pave 3 motif or order PG Pave 3 motif and get WG Magic Pave)

I proceeded to try on other WG Pave earrings but didn’t really love them. Cosmos sit too low (they were ok). I don’t like Socrate, Fleurette or Lotus. I tried the new Perlee but they’re not substantial enough for me. I have small Frivole and I don’t need another pair in that collection. I happen to like the way Alhambras look on my ears, because they tend to hide the fact that my piercings are uneven and the Magic size don’t “disappear“ on me.

My SA suggested the Two Butterfly. They didn’t have in person but she thinks the WG Pave/PG Pink Sapphire pair would be perfect (and I could get a second wg pave earring). I held a ring up to my ear and it looked ok, but I think they will be too small, so I definitely need to see in person.

Am I forgetting any other WG earrings? Im not against adding pieces from other lines, but I happen to like the Magic Alhambra pieces very much (I also like Palmyre, but at that price it would have to wait until after a possible Liane….so, not for many years). I do like mix-and-match options. I have gone back and forth over the years about the Two Butterfly collection as to whether it’s for me. And I would love your opinion - and anyone else’s too!!!
I went through this process of trying to find the perfect wg diamond van cleef earrings. I ended up empty handed and had cluster diamond earrings made. I recently discovered that I love the two butterfly earrings and the wg and pink pair are on my list. Though I am waiting to see how Van cleef handles my frivole pave earrings repair (a diamond fell out) before I proceed.
For you, I read you love wg magic. So why not get the single or 3 motif wg pave earrings? You can keep or sell your yg, but either way it is not duplicate having a wg pair. I think you will find two butterfly too small. I love the magic but my lobes are way to small and even my SA said the earrings look ridiculous on me. I am not a fan of flower lace, BigA’s suggestion. Get the magic you really want or look at other brand/have something made.
 
Oh, I wish! I will edit my post to be more clear. I meant that I have the raspberry pink stone and can make it look this color with a filter, but it is just the magic pendant and not the 20 motif (only in my dreams)!
You are always so generous and kind. I should take a filtered photo vs real life ;)
We are waiting on the pic.
 
I knew you had this color lol. I love the unfiltered color more. What do you pair this with?
I have never worn it actually…I fall in love with special pendants and crave them, but then I always end up wearing 20 motifs because they are so easy to wear! I just thought about it, and I am surprised to realize that I have only worn about 1/3 of my jewelry items, even my most beloved pieces. I think it is mostly because my work life, family life and social life has changed so much in the last few years, but my love for jewelry remains as strong as ever! I moved most of my items to a glass case a couple of months ago, and that makes a big difference. I had forgotten a lot of things in their boxes in the back of my closet, and now I can actually see what I have (though some things are still stored away since I have run out of room - I need another display case but I also want to keep them tucked away in private areas for the sake of good taste).
 
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I am not in a situation to model…give me 4 months :smile:, but here is a filtered photo vs real shade.

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What a stunning color!
@Notorious Pink what’s your new hair color? Is it very different than your previous one that you don’t feel like your current jewelry suits you?
Would you regret selling the yg in the future (tastes/hair color changes down the line)?
Maybe put away those pieces for now before selling
 
What a stunning color!
@Notorious Pink what’s your new hair color? Is it very different than your previous one that you don’t feel like your current jewelry suits you?
Would you regret selling the yg in the future (tastes/hair color changes down the line)?
Maybe put away those pieces for now before selling
I agree, white gold recently started working for me this summer, but I think in the winter when I am more pale and my hair is darker, other golds may be complimentary again.
 
Hi! Okay... here are my thoughts... right or wrong, here is my point of view...

On WG...
I believe 100% ANYONE can wear white metal... White Gold or Platinum.
Platinum is the choice of high jewelry, and no one ever looks bad wearing a million dollar platinum diamond necklace, regardless of their hair or skin color. All you see is pure diamond bling. There is no metal to compete with the diamonds or soften the look.

Marketing has brainwashed us to match jewelry to our skin tone (more sales for retailers). I completely disagree with this brainwash. Diamonds look magnificent in WG/platinum. A jewelry piece should be the star, and the piece should have nothing to do with skin tone.

It's the same reason why I love my green Coco Handle handbag (or my yellow bag, or my orange bag). Do these colors match my skin tone? I don't even give that a thought because the bags look awesome in all its colorful glory. Each pieces stands on its own and is the star. That's what jewelry should be. I hope that analogy made sense.

A bit of fun "jewelry trivia"...
Prior to WWII, platinum was the primary metal for jewelry (Edwardian Era, Art Deco Era). The strength of platinum allowed for artistic pieces to use less metal to highlight the stones. However, during WWII, the US declared platinum as a strategic metal (for military planes), and the use of platinum was banned for non-military purposes, including jewelry. Hence, that's when YG blossomed. So back then, as it is should be now... the use of metal has nothing to do with skin color.

For you... you are such a diamond and bling lover, I would absolutely switch to WG pave.

On what earrings to get...
I think the butterfly earrings will be too small on you. I have tiny ears, and even I think they are on the small side, along with the butterfly being a bit too cutesy. They are definitely not statement earrings, and I think they will not have enough presence for the look you want. Like you, I have tried the Butterfly collection. I have tried both the earrings and BTF ring, twice, and both times, there was no ear to ear grin. I'm not going for a third time. I have purchased enough jewelry to know love at first sight. I keep trying because many TPFers have expressed their love for this collection. However, for me, after two attempts, I know I will never love the Butterfly collection, and I am buying just to buy more VCA which is not a good reason.

Since you like big earrings, big bling, and flowers... I would suggest Flowerlace earrings. Those earrings are gorgeous, and they will pop on you. You cannot miss them when worn. They are a completely different look the Frivole, so it is not a duplicate. Flowerlace also makes a matching short pendant as well as a ring in case you might want a set. If you want bling, the earrings and the short pendant worn together are gorgeous. Here is the link to the Flowerlace collection:

That's my suggestion for something different. By the way, I love the Snowflake drop pear-shape earrings, but I don't quite see you as a Snowflake gal which is why I did not suggest it (the Snowflake look is a bit too planned, formal, & stuffy. I see your look more as effortless chic, with deliberate bling).

That said... my real suggestion for you...
While I think Flowerlace is beautiful for something different, this is what I would truly recommend for you...
Sell your YG Magic pave set, and build a gorgeous WG Magic set. My gut says you really love the Magic logo look. I feel it's you, your look, and the WG Magic pave pieces will become part of your core pieces. We love our jewelry collection, but everyone always has core pieces we constantly grab that just makes us feel like a million bucks. I think for you, WG Magic pave is it. You can wear it with shorts, jeans, bohemian flowing dresses, or black tie, and you will look fabulous. WG Magic pave is pure diamond bling in all its glory; there is no substitution for you in my mind.

On your existing YG pieces...
As you know, I got rid of all my YG jewelry. I have zero regrets. I have never felt bad about the loss of money. On the contrary, I felt liberated! It was like whew! I felt I could start fresh and not have this anchor of YG pieces I felt compelled to wear because I spent so much money on them. Nope... gone! Out of sight, and truly out of mind!
Time to look forward to an exciting new chapter in my jewelry collection.

Everyone's taste changes as we move through life. We do not bat an eye changing our clothing style or tossing out old clothes.
Yet for some reason, women feel so guilty letting go of jewelry... another brainwash of the "jewelry is forever to pass down" marketing theme.

Men never feel guilty about getting rid of old stuff. "I am sick of my old Porsche, getting rid of it and buying a new one." Or, "My boat is two years old; I need the latest model." :biggrin::heart:

I personally would not feel guilty selling my pieces knowing I will take a loss. Jewelry is for pleasure, not for investment.

My vote for you... Sell your YG Magic pave and build that gorgeous WG Magic set. You will not regret it; you love Magic pave, it's you, it screams VCA; it's your fabulous look.

One other thought...
If you are going to build a WG collection, you may also want to get an all WG ring (I forgot what other rings you have). You already have a lot of PG, and I put Noeud into the PG/mixed metal category. For me, if you do not already have WG rings, I would get a blingy WG ring to add to your WG collection.

Yikes... that was a long post! Sorry, I got carried away... time to zip it!
I hope this was helpful in your decision on what to do. Good luck! :hugs:
No, this is perfect, a good old-fashioned @BigAkoya jewelry discussion!!!

You are absolutely right about anyone wearing wg, of course.
Me, showing my SA (and her fabulous assistant): “hey, it looks good on me again!”
Them: “it always did!” :facepalm:

Flowerlace is beautiful; however, i didn‘t include it because my SA did remark about it being - I don’t think it’s going to be so easy to find. I do like Flowerlace more than some of the other lines, but I think youve really nailed it about the Wg pave. I do love the Magic look, you are absolutely right. And I really don’t have an issue selling my jewelry, it just seems like such a PITA to order what I already have in a different gold (Ah, to be able to just dip it like I used to do with my no-name pieces!)

I do like my YG Magic pave pieces, but tbh if I had the same pieces in PG I would never wear the YG ones. It would probably be redundant to have Magic Pave earrings in wg *and* pg, which is why one would be 1 motif and the other would be 3 (and I already have a pg 3 motif earring SO, which is why the PG should be the 1 motif and the wg should be the 3). Not sure what to do about the guilloche/pave 10-motif, though…I really have only worn it as an anklet (doubled with an extender).

At some point I would get a WG ring, but it might not even be VCA; I have a PG Pasquale Bruni ring which I would probably get in wg instead. I seem to be a lot pickier with rings than with other pieces and currently nothing VCA beats the Noeud.

Thanks so much!

For you, I read you love wg magic. So why not get the single or 3 motif wg pave earrings? You can keep or sell your yg, but either way it is not duplicate having a wg pair. I think you will find two butterfly too small. I love the magic but my lobes are way to small and even my SA said the earrings look ridiculous on me. I am not a fan of flower lace, BigA’s suggestion. Get the magic you really want or look at other brand/have something made.
Yes yes yes you are also right. Thank you!!!
 
What a stunning color!
@Notorious Pink what’s your new hair color? Is it very different than your previous one that you don’t feel like your current jewelry suits you?
Would you regret selling the yg in the future (tastes/hair color changes down the line)?
Maybe put away those pieces for now before selling
The hair color in my avatar: currently it varies from a very pale mauve/blonde to a more solid lavender-y pink. This is very different from what I had before, which was a solid bright/hot pink (before that it was red for many years - bright pink was my only option after red, unless I wanted to cut off my hair).

It’s like the difference between Rose Mexico and Mauve Sylvestre (which I’m trying to match) / Mauve Pale. And I am always only a few washes away from being blonde (because it’s lighter it requires a lot of trial and error to make it all one color and still seems to ombre to blonde on the ends, which is fine). I don’t plan to go back to red or bright pink; I like the versatility I have with this so I can be mauve or blonde.

I have always loved PG. In the 80s I remember seeing a lot of tricolor and always being disappointed there was not anything done in just PG, so I will always love that.

More than any other hair color I have had, this one forces me to really think about what I wear, and I find myself trying to be a bit more classic/neutral (or slightly avant-garde) to balance it out, although sometimes I do like to bring out the ol’ ”3 ring circus” as I like to call my more-is-more/colorful looks. I have gotten rid of most of my colored-stone pieces (except my black opal Stephen Webster ring) in favor of neutrals.

I guess I will have to think about what to do with the YG pieces.

I agree, white gold recently started working for me this summer, but I think in the winter when I am more pale and my hair is darker, other golds may be complimentary again.
Lol, I am pale all year round!
 
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