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I am glad to hear that you value the authenticators. I think they are amazing too, LOL!

I trust that means also that you will take into account the comments they make. The whole initiation of this thread was because of problems some authenticators voiced about issues in their threads. And unfortunately those threads are not working well today without those authenticators.

We can work together to fix this but it means recognizing that there are differences in the forum, that what works in one thread does not necessarily work in another.

I'm not sure where you are getting the notion that the differences are being ignored.

No one is being asked to change how they do their authentications. One should never feel the need to authenticate something they don't want to do.

Most definitely unique forums elicit unique preferences for authentication. Right now, in busier forums, "the format" exists to lessen repeated requests of the same item and to track a seller's history. "Required pics" are asked for in some areas so that ideally we wouldn't have to ask for them over and over. So yeah, there are some differences in the forums. But much of the variation is in individual authenticator's preferences and may not represent forum or even thread rules. Make sense?

Megs will have to clarify if I'm getting this wrong, but the rules of the overall forum always have been and will be the same throughout. But that does not change the ability for each authenticator to state their personal stipulations or require them to do anything they are not comfortable with.

That's why it's a process, that if the rules are adjusted, they must take into consideration each area's uniqueness and try not to disrupt what's working.
 
I'm not sure where you are getting the notion that the differences are being ignored.

No one is being asked to change how they do their authentications. One should never feel the need to authenticate something they don't want to do.

Most definitely unique forums elicit unique preferences for authentication. Right now, in busier forums, "the format" exists to lessen repeated requests of the same item and to track a seller's history. "Required pics" are asked for in some areas so that ideally we wouldn't have to ask for them over and over. So yeah, there are some differences in the forums. But much of the variation is in individual authenticator's preferences and may not represent forum or even thread rules. Make sense?

Megs will have to clarify if I'm getting this wrong, but the rules of the overall forum always have been and will be the same throughout. But that does not change the ability for each authenticator to state their personal stipulations or require them to do anything they are not comfortable with.

That's why it's a process, that if the rules are adjusted, they must take into consideration each area's uniqueness and try not to disrupt what's working.

Great. I read on this thread about expressed dissatisfaction by authenticators on other threads because they felt unsupported by the owners and administrators. And I saw a couple quit as a result. Hope the owners find some way to get them back it would be great, we miss their expertise, its not easy to find competent authenticators. Other posters have said this over and over. I saw the owners said they would try to help and I hope they do.

Obviously we are all free to authenticate when we wish, that has always been the case from the beginning anyway. We volunteer. We are on the same page here.

The owners know that Hermes is a rather unique forum, and also know that the Hermes authentication thread is working well. No need to disrupt what is working as you say, and I agree.

The guidelines the authenticators request be followed in the Hermes thread show results in a smooth well run thread that has helped many thousands of members and is widely read by the public, resulting in lots of clicks for the owners of tpf. Whats not to like? No need to mess with that. A win for the owners on all counts.

Glad you can appreciate that as well.
 
I'm not sure where you are getting the notion that the differences are being ignored.

No one is being asked to change how they do their authentications. One should never feel the need to authenticate something they don't want to do.

Most definitely unique forums elicit unique preferences for authentication. Right now, in busier forums, "the format" exists to lessen repeated requests of the same item and to track a seller's history. "Required pics" are asked for in some areas so that ideally we wouldn't have to ask for them over and over. So yeah, there are some differences in the forums. But much of the variation is in individual authenticator's preferences and may not represent forum or even thread rules. Make sense?

Megs will have to clarify if I'm getting this wrong, but the rules of the overall forum always have been and will be the same throughout. But that does not change the ability for each authenticator to state their personal stipulations or require them to do anything they are not comfortable with.

That's why it's a process, that if the rules are adjusted, they must take into consideration each area's uniqueness and try not to disrupt what's working.

I'm going to add more to some of the other posts in this thread in a bit, so more coming!

But Jet, you're right.

I have tried my best to be very transparent and clear in this thread and if I keep repeating myself it is with the goal of not having there be any misunderstandings, but I feel like there might be.

Each Authenticate This thread has a set of rules put together by authenticators from that section. Some are the same as other threads, some aren't. Each AT thread also has different authenticators and every single authenticator can choose to authenticate as he/she wishes. Not every authenticator will do the same as the next, and some within the same thread may be more willing to authenticate certain submissions than others will.

We've never asked for anyone to change this - after all, the authenticators are giving their time here to help others who are looking to see if their bag is authentic or not, and it is such a great service and helps so many!!

What we are doing is working on a way to help the authenticators and those looking for authentication to make the process more seamless. I've welcomed any and all feedback and we are currently developing a form to try to help some of the issues.
 
I'm going to add more to some of the other posts in this thread in a bit, so more coming!

But Jet, you're right.

I have tried my best to be very transparent and clear in this thread and if I keep repeating myself it is with the goal of not having there be any misunderstandings, but I feel like there might be.

Each Authenticate This thread has a set of rules put together by authenticators from that section. Some are the same as other threads, some aren't. Each AT thread also has different authenticators and every single authenticator can choose to authenticate as he/she wishes. Not every authenticator will do the same as the next, and some within the same thread may be more willing to authenticate certain submissions than others will.

We've never asked for anyone to change this - after all, the authenticators are giving their time here to help others who are looking to see if their bag is authentic or not, and it is such a great service and helps so many!!

What we are doing is working on a way to help the authenticators and those looking for authentication to make the process more seamless. I've welcomed any and all feedback and we are currently developing a form to try to help some of the issues.

Thank you Megs.

I will be happy to give my feedback on any form or process adjustment you are thinking about. I have authenticated for many years, have a lot of experience and and have "seen it all" as they say. Please do reach out.
 
Thank you Megs.

I will be happy to give my feedback on any form or process adjustment you are thinking about. I have authenticated for many years, have a lot of experience and and have "seen it all" as they say. Please do reach out.

Thanks Bababebi! I'm sure we will :yes:

We really want to make the AT experience great for authenticators and those looking for authentications :flowers:
 
Great. I read on this thread about expressed dissatisfaction by authenticators on other threads because they felt unsupported by the owners and administrators. And I saw a couple quit as a result. Hope the owners find some way to get them back it would be great, we miss their expertise, its not easy to find competent authenticators. Other posters have said this over and over. I saw the owners said they would try to help and I hope they do.



Obviously we are all free to authenticate when we wish, that has always been the case from the beginning anyway. We volunteer. We are on the same page here.



The owners know that Hermes is a rather unique forum, and also know that the Hermes authentication thread is working well. No need to disrupt what is working as you say, and I agree.



The guidelines the authenticators request be followed in the Hermes thread show results in a smooth well run thread that has helped many thousands of members and is widely read by the public, resulting in lots of clicks for the owners of tpf. Whats not to like? No need to mess with that. A win for the owners on all counts.



Glad you can appreciate that as well.


I hope the authenticators who quit or on a hiatus can return & I hope the admin / owners have reached out to them.

The hermes authentication thread runs very well & I think the mod there mistikat did a great job in "policing" the place. She is on the same page with the authenticators cos she also volunteer as one. I was just thinking aloud, can't the authenticators be the mod as well? Since they know the difficulties on the authenticating thread, would it make their life easier to moderate that forum?
 
hmmm - Another newbie on the LV authenticate this forum, brand new, only 5 posts, authenticating an ellipse, and then literally 3 minutes later asking for help authenticating an alma. I guess she's just an expert at only the ellipse. Seriously????
 
hmmm - Another newbie on the LV authenticate this forum, brand new, only 5 posts, authenticating an ellipse, and then literally 3 minutes later asking for help authenticating an alma. I guess she's just an expert at only the ellipse. Seriously????



Someone started a thread to have a Chanel authenticated because she read the rules and knew that she wasn't following the rules so started a thread instead...;)
 
hmmm - Another newbie on the LV authenticate this forum, brand new, only 5 posts, authenticating an ellipse, and then literally 3 minutes later asking for help authenticating an alma. I guess she's just an expert at only the ellipse. Seriously????

I saw that too and debated on whether to say something or not.....
I thought your first response was really well said...I logged out and came back and it was changed....your second response was well said too...I don't know why a random post was picked to authenticate?
 
For admin/mods ... I am just wondering when a post is reported and then subsequently deleted, does the poster receive any message from admin/mods indicating why their post are deleted?
 
Answering you in below:

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I don't know about this other issue you are referencing and this is the first I am hearing of it. The really sad thing is there are so many people who do things that I will never understand and it is really mean and just makes zero sense. I can't change anything on other sites, though many times I would like to! If you send me a PM I can see if there's anything to be done.
I would like to thank you for your PM Megs, but I would prefer to respond on this thread for the sake of continuity, and in full participation and support of the efforts of late to improve the deteriorating situation in some of the AT threads, and the board in general. I think is a positive step to discuss these issues in the open, as opposed to the usual behind-the-scenes actions, because I believe it fosters an opportunity for real improvement and demystifies how things are going to be dealt with, so we all can move forward in a positive direction.

This exchange thus far has resulted in a faster response to reports, and members hearing you and your staff's thoughts on what should be reported, and how those reports are addressed. The ATC thread is improved now that reports are actioned quickly. I look forward to further improvements across all the threads, the forthcoming Authentication forum, a format for submitting authentication requests, and some designation for authenticators so that members know who specifically is volunteering their time to assist them, and is trusted to do so.


While I appreciate your concerns for privacy, and your belief that dealing with these infractions is best done off the board, I question the effectiveness of this policy. We have seen repeated incidences of trouble makers returning, and continuing to attack and antagonize the authenticators and other members time and time again. Earlier posts on this thread point out said members continuing to post after theses offenses as if nothing had ever happened. What message does this send? It appears as if tPF condones their behavior, and that the authenticators and other members are prevented from defending themselves. Why shouldn't they just go on attacking us? If other members don't SEE there are consequences for such actions, why would they refrain from doing the same if they decide to?

What good is a disciplinary policy that doesn't result in discipline? These "warnings" fall on deaf ears. The whole point of warning someone is to imply a stronger action is to follow, but that action never comes...and the problems continue. If you can't, or won't back it up with serious punishment, loss of posting privileges, or banning from the site, the warnings are useless. If the victims don't see the moderators removing these agitators, they logically assume nothing was done, their ability to participate here free of harassment isn't important to you or your staff, and hence their contributions mean nothing to you. They grow frustrated and quit. The entire board suffers. More courtesy and concern is extended to the rule breakers rather than to us, the positive community members. This needs to stop, or more valued members of the board, the eyes the advertisers are paying to be seen by, will leave. We authenticators drive a great deal of traffic to the board. Losing more of as the situation grows more intolerable will have it's own consequences too, unfortunately some have already quit as a result.
 
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For admin/mods ... I am just wondering when a post is reported and then subsequently deleted, does the poster receive any message from admin/mods indicating why their post are deleted?

Yes the poster gets a message on why their posts were deleted. I hope they understand the reasons and that they are welcome with opinions when they have a bit more posts here.
 
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