tPF authenticator discussion

[missbanff]

I don't think authenticators should be above reproach - if they've (we've) done something wrong, they (we) should be held accountable. But I REALLY do not appreciate the rude notes that accompany the dreaded "post edited" PM. So let's address someone who is supposedly "rude" with rudeness. Makes a ton of sense to me!

Some authenticators, like me, participate in threads outside the AT thread. Some, like me, are quite outspoken and blunt. Too blunt? Perhaps. But I'll also defend you if needed. How many people will do that?

In a forum of what I think are mostly adults, some people really to develop thicker skin. I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me or calling me out on something, but when ONE PERSON fights every. single. post. of mine - I'm eventually going to push back. I'm not 5 years old and I'm not going to "use the report button" on said posts and tattle...come on. Sure, I'll use it on posts when necessary, but not because someone was "mean" to me. Sigh.

 

[Prada Psycho]

In a forum of what I think are mostly adults, some people really to develop thicker skin. I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me or calling me out on something, but when ONE PERSON fights every. single. post. of mine - I'm eventually going to push back. I'm not 5 years old and I'm not going to "use the report button" on said posts and tattle...come on. Sure, I'll use it on posts when necessary, but not because someone was "mean" to me. Sigh.

Or as I just said to someone: I'm entirely too old to take anything here very seriously. Nobody is curing cancer around here. It's a forum about pocketbooks for crying out loud.

 

[Jennie's Aunt]

Your language is unbelievable. How is it you feel it is okay to be rude and use foul language in a forum where people are simply trying to get information. Why is it that your posts are so full of anger? If you are unhappy with the PF or it's users, perhaps you should stay off of it. This is directed to MissBanff.

WOW .... you have the nerve to call someone else rude?

I have to tip my hat to anyone who is a constant contributor to all the forums. BeenBurned & Miss Banff are the first that come to mind (apologies to those that I'm not mentioning by name) help people from throwing their hard earned money on fakes or scams. Do they get the thanks they deserve? No. BeenBurned constantly amazes me with her sleuthing skills. The effort that she puts into digging for the truth is mind-boggling. We are lucky to have these ladies that share their knowledge with us.

 

[jmcadon]

Hmm... Not sure what happened there. I was quoting and replying to MissBanff. I've added the comment from MissBanff that I had quoted in red.

What she was referring to originally is that when we get what's being called the NastyGram (I'll take credit for the word, because that's what I call it), it's sent to our Private Message boxes from the user ID "Purse Forum" instead of it being from a specific mod/admin. It's a written slap on the knuckles from one of the mods/admins about [whatever] that involves the "make nice" comments along with the "points" against us. We're never allowed to respond: The Purse Forum user ID is set up so that it doesn't accept replies.... Isn't that just precious?...

And yet another edit: I just backtracked this and for whatever reason, when I quoted MissBanff it's showing that you had made that comment. What on EARTH is with the quoting function around here??? No wonder I've got a headache!

Now this is strange! The quotes are all off. Now I see what you meant!

 

[JustAgUrL]

Or as I just said to someone: I'm entirely too old to take anything here very seriously. Nobody is curing cancer around here. It's a forum about pocketbooks for crying out loud.

Exacty!!!!

No need for people to take things so "Purse-onal"...

 

[whateve]

Hmm... Not sure what happened there. I was quoting and replying to MissBanff. I've added the comment from MissBanff that I had quoted in red.

What she was referring to originally is that when we get what's being called the NastyGram (I'll take credit for the word, because that's what I call it), it's sent to our Private Message boxes from the user ID "Purse Forum" instead of it being from a specific mod/admin. It's a written slap on the knuckles from one of the mods/admins about [whatever] that involves the "make nice" comments along with the "points" against us. We're never allowed to respond: The Purse Forum user ID is set up so that it doesn't accept replies.... Isn't that just precious?...

And yet another edit: I just backtracked this and for whatever reason, when I quoted MissBanff it's showing that you had made that comment. What on EARTH is with the quoting function around here??? No wonder I've got a headache!

I don't think authenticators should be above reproach - if they've (we've) done something wrong, they (we) should be held accountable. But I REALLY do not appreciate the rude notes that accompany the dreaded "post edited" PM. So let's address someone who is supposedly "rude" with rudeness. Makes a ton of sense to me!

Some authenticators, like me, participate in threads outside the AT thread. Some, like me, are quite outspoken and blunt. Too blunt? Perhaps. But I'll also defend you if needed. How many people will do that?

In a forum of what I think are mostly adults, some people really to develop thicker skin. I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me or calling me out on something, but when ONE PERSON fights every. single. post. of mine - I'm eventually going to push back. I'm not 5 years old and I'm not going to "use the report button" on said posts and tattle...come on. Sure, I'll use it on posts when necessary, but not because someone was "mean" to me. Sigh.

Oh yes, those nastygrams! I haven't gotten one in a while, but they make me feel like I'm five years old and I got caught eating a cookie before dinner! I don't have thick skin (not something I can develop this late in life) so usually I'll stay away from tpf for a day if I get one.

I'm not very confrontational. I'll post a strongly worded response to someone who is annoying me; then they go on my ignore list, and everyone else has to deal with them. I've noticed that it doesn't take very long for these pests to leave the forum.

 

[Prada Psycho]

I've noticed that it doesn't take very long for these pests to leave the forum.

Yes, but unfortunately the aftermath they leave in their wake doesn't go away when they do. :true:

 

[missbanff]

Oh yes, those nastygrams! I haven't gotten one in a while, but they make me feel like I'm five years old and I got caught eating a cookie before dinner! I don't have thick skin (not something I can develop this late in life) so usually I'll stay away from tpf for a day if I get one.

I'm not very confrontational. I'll post a strongly worded response to someone who is annoying me; then they go on my ignore list, and everyone else has to deal with them. I've noticed that it doesn't take very long for these pests to leave the forum.

It seems the nasty gram complaint is another one that has fallen on deaf ears as it is now YEARS gone by and people are still getting them. Sometimes I wish I could change my username to "quit starting drama".

I belong to another forum, a selling forum, that does has moderators but is not very 'moderated'. Folks do disagree with each other but are usually left to hash things out as we are all adults there, like I believe most of us are here. A mod doesn't step in until direct name calling, ie: "YOU are a *****!" Is dealt, which very rarely, if ever, it comes to that. I frankly can't recall that it ever has. I don't even care that my friend Debbie said what she said. She didn't call me a name, just said she didn't like my "foul language" and "rudeness". She's allowed her opinion. You can't please everybody.

I know this is a large forum, but we ARE mostly adults who I do not believe need such heavy handed moderating. And if a direct name calling is dealt, then the offender should be banned. But honestly, some people need to get a grip.

 

[ThisVNchick]

Or as I just said to someone: I'm entirely too old to take anything here very seriously. Nobody is curing cancer around here. It's a forum about pocketbooks for crying out loud.

Exacty!!!!



No need for people to take things so "Purse-onal"...

You would think full-grown adults who post on an open forum would think so, but that's far from the case.

I started a thread awhile back on LV abut upcoming releases because I was able to get to that information before it was printed on a hardcopy. I posted the item name, described the item, the anticipated price point and even the item number so people can inquire about it on their own time. The only thing my SA required me to do was NOT post pictures until the look-books become available at the boutiques. In my mind, I thought I was doing a good thing, you know, posting unknown information to a group of LV lovers, because sharing is caring. Nope. A good handful of people PMed me after I specifically said I could not release the photos in public or PM, and then told me, if I couldn't give them the "full" information, then I shouldn't have said anything at all. One member even said "it's not like it's a cure for cancer" so give up the information.

That phrase just struck me in a personal and wrong way. I am in medicine and my mother is an oncologist. I've seen my fair share of people battling and dying from cancer, both professionally and personally. You cannot make an analogy like that. For goodness sake, they are (excuse my French) f*cking bags. You can afford to wait until the look-book arrives to see the photos.

I stopped updated that thread after that, stopped trying to defend myself and my decision, and have stayed away from LV in general. There's still a sour taste in my mouth, even today. People can find out information on their own, because I'm not about to get crucified again for being nice and what I thought was "helpful".

 

[JustAgUrL]

It seems the nasty gram complaint is another one that has fallen on deaf ears as it is now YEARS gone by and people are still getting them. Sometimes I wish I could change my username to "quit starting drama".

I belong to another forum, a selling forum, that does has moderators but is not very 'moderated'. Folks do disagree with each other but are usually left to hash things out as we are all adults there, like I believe most of us are here. A mod doesn't step in until direct name calling, ie: "YOU are a *****!" Is dealt, which very rarely, if ever, it comes to that. I frankly can't recall that it ever has. I don't even care that my friend Debbie said what she said. She didn't call me a name, just said she didn't like my "foul language" and "rudeness". She's allowed her opinion. You can't please everybody.

I know this is a large forum, but we ARE mostly adults who I do not believe need such heavy handed moderating. And if a direct name calling is dealt, then the offender should be banned. But honestly, some people need to get a grip.

I was just thinking... as I have said many times, I belong to a long list of political
forums.
Personally, I think that if people are left to hash it out, that it will come full circle, and they can resolve their differences, and it doesn't end up infecting OTHER threads... Yes, some threads can get REALLY heated, but, it will just go on until
it gets better, strangely, it doesn't get much worse...

If a thread is shut down, or people told to "STOP" then, they are not allowed to resolve things, and it can fester, and create more drama down the line in other threads.

Of course, I could be wrong...

 

[JustAgUrL]

You would think full-grown adults who post on an open forum would think so, but that's far from the case.

I started a thread awhile back on LV abut upcoming releases because I was able to get to that information before it was printed on a hardcopy. I posted the item name, described the item, the anticipated price point and even the item number so people can inquire about it on their own time. The only thing my SA required me to do was NOT post pictures until the look-books become available at the boutiques. In my mind, I thought I was doing a good thing, you know, posting unknown information to a group of LV lovers, because sharing is caring. Nope. A good handful of people PMed me after I specifically said I could not release the photos in public or PM, and then told me, if I couldn't give them the "full" information, then I shouldn't have said anything at all. One member even said "it's not like it's a cure for cancer" so give up the information.

That phrase just struck me in a personal, yet, wrong way. I am in medicine and my mother is an oncologist. I've seen my fair share of people battling and dying from cancer, both professionally and personally. You cannot make an analogy like that. For goodness sake, they are (excuse my French) f*cking bags. You can afford to wait until the look-book arrives to see the photos.

I stopped updated that thread after that, stopped trying to defend myself and my decision, and have stayed away from LV in general. There's so a sour taste in my mouth, even today. People can find out information on their own, because I'm not about to get crucified again for being nice and what I thought was "helpful".

My god... that is just uncalled for!!!

You were being nice in sharing the info you had, there was NO reason for
people to start treating you like that.

I'm sorry, but when I read something like this, it makes me weep for humanity.

 

[missbanff]

i was just thinking... As i have said many times, i belong to a long list of political
forums.
Personally, i think that if people are left to hash it out, that it will come full circle, and they can resolve their differences, and it doesn't end up infecting other threads... Yes, some threads can get really heated, but, it will just go on until
it gets better, strangely, it doesn't get much worse...

If a thread is shut down, or people told to "stop" then, they are not allowed to resolve things, and it can fester, and create more drama down the line in other threads.

Of course, i could be wrong... :d

exactly.

 

[Megs]

There's a bit of misinformation here that Id like to clear up. Infractions/reminders are not just given to authenticators or only for the AT threads, they are used forum wide.

Our goal as owners is to make the forum run as smoothly as possible - keep problems off the boards, have people take personal issues to PM, and make this a fun place to be.

No one will ever agree with everything we do and I have no problem taking blame for different issues members have run into, because it def falls back on Vlad and I. But I do want to be clear that we do not look for issues in threads to reprimand people, we want people to figure out their issues and work it out themselves. But I want this place to be welcoming and kind.

Our lives are all filled with so much stress, no one knows what someone else is going through. We never will know that. So I made rules for this forum based on a kindness, this should be a safe place.

With that being said it could be that I've stepped into an argument when it was not needed at times or deleted a post to keep problems off the board before it was needed. But overall I know my goal and the goal of the entire mod team is to keep things running smooth and fun.

I think many members will tell you that you can come forward with issues, it's taken seriously, and I can tell you that I spend a lot of time thinking about each issue and how I can help resolve it and that continues.

 

[Baglover1982]

You would think full-grown adults who post on an open forum would think so, but that's far from the case.

I started a thread awhile back on LV abut upcoming releases because I was able to get to that information before it was printed on a hardcopy. I posted the item name, described the item, the anticipated price point and even the item number so people can inquire about it on their own time. The only thing my SA required me to do was NOT post pictures until the look-books become available at the boutiques. In my mind, I thought I was doing a good thing, you know, posting unknown information to a group of LV lovers, because sharing is caring. Nope. A good handful of people PMed me after I specifically said I could not release the photos in public or PM, and then told me, if I couldn't give them the "full" information, then I shouldn't have said anything at all. One member even said "it's not like it's a cure for cancer" so give up the information.

That phrase just struck me in a personal and wrong way. I am in medicine and my mother is an oncologist. I've seen my fair share of people battling and dying from cancer, both professionally and personally. You cannot make an analogy like that. For goodness sake, they are (excuse my French) f*cking bags. You can afford to wait until the look-book arrives to see the photos.

I stopped updated that thread after that, stopped trying to defend myself and my decision, and have stayed away from LV in general. There's still a sour taste in my mouth, even today. People can find out information on their own, because I'm not about to get crucified again for being nice and what I thought was "helpful".

*shakes head* that is awful so sad that people felt they need to react in this way. Shame as you felt you were doing people a favour which you were in my eyes.

 

[Grantsmom]

Hi again,

I am still following this thread and wish there was a way to protect the authenticators from hostile members and the wear and tear of the unrelenting requests to authenticate items that do not meet the requirements.

Since information about what makes a bag fake or not is not disclosed, is it possible to do all authentications via PM from a trusted member forwarding the request to the authenticator AFTER confirming that the request meets all the requirements?

Once the authenticator has deemed the bag real or fake s/he could cc the trusted member who could post the result.

I am the curious type and often try to "guess" privately whether a bag is fake or not. So if I did not know that asking "what makes a bag fake" was taboo, I would be inclined to ask. I totally get why you cannot answer the question but I also understand why someone might ask innocently.

From a newbie's perspective, it breaks my heart that as such valuable resources as the authenticators are to this site they are not treated better, by EVERYBODY.