It is very lightweight! That’s always a turn off for me too, if I have to buy an additional strap for a bag to work for me at those price points, yikes! Was the muria braided handle as a shoulder bag too tight? I happy screamed when I purchased it and happy danced when it was shipped, but also felt nauseous for the $, but I worked hard for it all year this year. And, my friend made a good point, it’s a hefty price tag regardless $4000 or $6000, so not to decide based off the price, as long as it gets a lot of use. The morning before I purchased it, I YouTubed the heck out of the artsy empreinte to make sure as it is similar, but definitely heavier and bulkier and closer to armpit, all which would bug me. I bought the graceful mm in the summer and figured out fast 2 of those details just wouldn’t work for me and returned it quite fast. I do have a toddler and one on the way! So I could definitely use the extra space. Although, I’ve also always wanted a care free lightweight shoulder hobo bag and I didn’t want to go preloved for my favourite style/type of my bag. The pocket in the Carmel fits iPhone 11 Pro Max horizontally and vertically, and you can reach it with it being on your shoulder! But yes, the look of and capacity of the jumbo, always will be a crush of mine, but because of the weight I just admire from afar. I’m just not the mini bag type, even the LV Alma bb epi was a tad too small, although I may try the neo version. Wish they made that in mahina! How was the opening on the muria and neo noe for you? I haven’t tried a bucket bag yet because of that. YouTube and purse forum can be so influential on purchase decisions!!