"The Rich New York Women Who Love Their Fake Birkins" article in The Cut - thoughts?

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I was a bit confused by your posts at first and less than 10 second of digging :
View attachment 5394417The plot thickens.

Yep. I like Birkin-style bags for work bags. It's not exactly a secret, since I've posted about it openly. The handle drop is too short, though, so when I've ordered them since the original bag, I have the handles lengthened, put in a different lining (usually suede), and have the logo taken off. Sometimes I change the front flap. I'm not trying to fool anybody.
 
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agree with @IronOak, @oshinex, and others in general. I was also taken by surprise when I read a statement to the effect that those of us who buy luxury lack some moral high ground argument when it comes to luxury purchases. . . They’re not strawberries. And well paid artisans aren’t day laborers on a minimum wage.

Indeed, every worker should have the benefits Hermes workers have. Strawberry pickers, too.
 
"I don't think you stand on the moral high ground for buying a $20K bag, no. The bag is pretty, the leather is really nice, and you may well enjoy having it a lot. Having it doesn't make you a better human being, though. You're exploiting other human beings for the products you use, just like everybody else. So maybe you feel good about paying French workers with social welfare benefits for your handbags, but you're still depending on Rohingya refugees working 60 hour weeks in meatpacking plants for your steaks. Welcome to capitalism, where you can't shop your way to virtue."

Im going to stay on the topic of the article because I think this is worthwhile discussion, but I just want to highlight this straw man argument.
 
This is turning into an odd advertisement for off-grid living whereby we are all free from the evil invisible hand.

My opinion is to let Reddit be Leddit; it’s another forum outside of TPF.

All of a sudden when I read your words ‘off grid,’ I had an image of John Galt stitching a luxury bag by candlelight
where the object of his labor is of course valued highly by authentic market forces and only available to like minds in the little valley) That is the little valley where there is demand and appreciation for high quality goods at a prcie that compensates the artisan well for skilled labor

(the rest of the world, in darkness, without original minds, is doomed to RLs
that stand for mediocrity and lack of originality in that world

(I may not remember the details bc I haven’t read Ayn Rand since high school, but I did read Adam Smith a bit later lol)

yes, this is totally OT, apologies :smile: agree this has run its course.

ETA: I’m not sure how Ayn rand or Adam Smith (I don’t mean to group them together in terms of merit but simply bc of the juxtaposition off off grid and invisible hand) would feel about VCA losing the case to copyright alhambra, (or failing to do so in the first place) but that’s another battle
 
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Correction: I agree with everything you said. I‘m not going to be done with it today, or probably even tomorrow.

I have forayed into that /r/repladies subreddit. It's... interesting to say the least. Among all the QA/QC posts, there are occasional threads on how people feel and how others feel about the world of fakes/reps, etc etc.

What I'm going to say below may not be true but after having been a lurker there for a while, here are my thoughts. I'm going to be generalizing a bit and maybe a bit of psychoanalysis/just me making (possibly false) assumptions.

I don't think they realize it but it feels to me that those who are active in that community (will refer as RepLadies from here on out) are living kind of a contradiction and don't have insight into their contradiction. There's almost like an undercurrent of disdain and bitterness toward the world of luxury. I see it coming out when they poo poo or turn their noses on authentic bags because they constantly are putting down the real bags. "Quality is no longer as it once was so it's not worth the money" or "My rep is just as good" or that "it's just a bag, I'm not going to spend that much on it". I feel that they're trying to elevate their rep bags by devaluing the authentic bags. It's almost like they're trying to say "the emperor has no clothes" and they're the only ones who can see through the facade. Simultaneously, they really want the bag. Because whether or not they will ever admit to it, RepLadies also has this consistent theme of people really enjoying their bags, including the status symbol that they represent and what it says about the wearer of the bag. But it comes out as "Ha! I pulled a fast one on everyone else cause I got it at a fraction of the price and you can't even tell!"

I have always wanted to point out this out to them and ask them, do you not see this contradiction and the mental gymnastic you go through to justify this 'journey'? It's almost like they were not invited to this cool and awesome party. But instead of either navigating their way into that party (venturing outside of your comfort zone to make new friends, finding a date, or just asking the host) or just being ok with not included, they poo poo on it and make fun of the people who are invited, almost as if they're too cool for it. But deep down, I feel like they really do want to be invited to the party and would go in a heartbeat if they could. But until then, they would rather steep in their own insecurities and turn their nose at others, rather than just dealing with it maturely and say "I wasn't invited to this party. It wasn't meant to be or whatever. It's ok, I'll just keep doing my thing and there'll be other parties" or whatever healthy coping mechanism.

It just seems like there are a lot of people in RepLadies who want to live and project a certain lifestyle, but they either don't have the financial ability to do it or don't want to or whatever else reason they have. And deep inside, they're bitter about it. Maybe because of social media, societal pressures, etc, they feel entitled to have that lifestyle. That entitlement and insecurity then combine to create this subreddit/community where they get to simultaneously worship and tear down the very institution they love and hate.

Sorry for the wall of text. And you can definitely accuse of me of generalizing and making tons of assumptions. But if anyone cares to, spend some time in there and see if you agree or disagree. The amount of scrutiny they have over the bags. The amount of $ people spend. It's... something, if not at least a fascinating psychological survey of people. Just like my wife says, some times it has nothing to do with the thing itself but everything around it. That's why I think it's more than just the bag. I feel like it speaks to their station in life, what kind of life they expect to have versus what they actually have, and how they want to be seen by others, and how they desire to be in that world of luxury but at the same time detest it. Hope they, and many non RepLadies, all find peace in whatever they're buying.
 
DH just forwarded the cut article to me bc he thought i‘d be interested :giggle:

DH joked that no one here has yet put forth the argument that it’s unethical to kill an animal to make a bag, and that for all the efforts our household has made to shop in an ethical fashion, we cannot seem to escape Koch brothers products (I think our preference for fluffy soft toilet paper is our downfall) So, we are not morally superior :smile:

I did find it alarming that RLs seem to take comfort in going to a middleman for the bag (they‘re not ordering it direct from an anonymous factory), and that they are proud of being part of an IRL RL community where they’ve met similar minded RLs in person, and their children, and dogs. Like safety in numbers. So, I’m not sure why one lady would be in tears that her husband outed her. Of course i believe @IronOak and others have already pointed this out
 
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So, I’m not sure why one lady would be in tears that her husband outed her. . .
That's easy, it's the shame at being outed as fake, both her and her bag. She posted her story looking for support from her "friends". For all their arguments about why there is nothing wrong with dealing in replicas, both in the article and on the RepLadies forum, in their hearts they know it is. They've just done a very good job at convincing themselves otherwise. People do all kinds of mental gymnastics to rationalize their actions.
 
With spurious straw man propositions, evidently the goal is an endorsement of the counterfeit trade as being on the same moral footing as other consumerism. Here's some fun facting, in case this was missed. These are terms you agreed to:

Counterfeits / Fakes

The PurseForum community and its members take a strong stand against counterfeit goods. Only post images depicting authentic items. Do not knowingly post images of fake or counterfeit goods, or post links to websites advertising, selling, or promoting counterfeits ("Fakes threads" and "Authenticate This" threads excluded).

https://forum.purseblog.com/help/terms/
I have not violated the terms of service in any way, shape or form.

You seem confused about how logical fallacy works, so let me explain again. You're claiming you're buying $20K handbags because you care about labor issues. Yet, you tolerate poor working conditions for many of the products you buy. Ergo, you don't care that much about labor issues.

There's no straw man here.
 
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