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#22,696
@Icyjade

examples of what would usually get an icy variety rating - more of the light colored or colorless ranges 287D7690-57D6-417D-BF0F-933F7483EAE4.jpegA44CC059-0149-470D-AB84-2229E948F3E0.jpeg
Example of what is highly translucent but has intense colors , so it’s graded as highly translucent but not given “ icy variety in cert”

so I think icy just probably refers to the variety where it’s not only good in translucence but has faint color .
But that doesn’t mean that , because it doesn’t get an icy rating it’s not good .

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berniechocolate said:
@Icyjade

examples of what would usually get an icy variety rating - more of the light colored or colorless ranges View attachment 5146375View attachment 5146376
Example of what is highly translucent but has intense colors , so it’s graded as highly translucent but not given “ icy variety in cert”

so I think icy just probably refers to the variety where it’s not only good in translucence but has faint color .
But that doesn’t mean that , because it doesn’t get an icy rating it’s not good .

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So are you saying that if a piece of jade were really clear but very vivid in color it would not be called icy?
 
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Silver Mom said:
So are you saying that if a piece of jade were really clear but very vivid in color it would not be called icy?
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1) From what I understood from the gemologist. I think icy variety refers to a particular variety .

Icy in mandarin is exactly that “ 冰种” Bing Zhong ( canto/ mandarin )

so we haven’t actually seen ice cubes or ice in any colors , usually do we lol ? It’s usually colorless or if there’s any hint of color . Usually faint.

so for other varieties that are very strong in translucence and clarity but has intense color , maybe that’s why it’s only described to be highly translucent ?

From what I understand , icy is itself a variety , similarly to how other terms are given to other variety of jadeite

eg

such as lavender ( 紫罗兰 zi luo lan in mandarin ) / imperial green（帝王绿 di wang lu) / blue water（蓝水 lan shui) /black chicken Jadeite ( 乌鸡中 wu ji zhong) / Omphacite ( 墨翠 mo cui ) / Red Yellow jadeite ( 红/黄 翡 hong/guang fei )

2) the term iciness and translucence though are commonly used interchangeably to describe these attributes , when observed in other varieties of jadeite .

although it’s seems more common for gemologist to use the term “ icy variety “ for jadeite that appears to be near colorless . Having very faint or pale hint of colors that have an appearance close to ice or ice cubes .
 
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Thanks @berniechocolate ! Really appreciate you taking the time to explain and giving so many examples!

I understand glass/Icy/glutinous/bean to be type based on quality of the material whereas the other terms like 晴水， 蓝水， etc refers to the color, and in some cases the quality as well as some terms are used to describe jadeite that are a combination of specific color and quality.

In any case I do feel much better hearing from you and I will try to ask Mr Zeng as well next time I go cert something.

Your bangle does seem to be more blue and icy than mine for sure and you have such beautiful pieces. Pls post more pretty pics for us to admire.
 
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Icyjade said:
Thanks @berniechocolate ! Really appreciate you taking the time to explain and giving so many examples!

I understand glass/Icy/glutinous/bean to be type based on quality of the material whereas the other terms like 晴水， 蓝水， etc refers to the color, and in some cases the quality as well as some terms are used to describe jadeite that are a combination of specific color and quality.

In any case I do feel much better hearing from you and I will try to ask Mr Zeng as well next time I go cert something.

Your bangle does seem to be more blue and icy than mine for sure and you have such beautiful pieces. Pls post more pretty pics for us to admire.
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I do think that my dark blue green will also received the same description as yours . It will be probably just good translucency but don’t think he will put icy variety there . Because it’s rather intensely colored eg dark blue green.

No worries ! Happy to discuss ! It’s just that after going to him for half a decade . Notice a pattern in some of the descriptive vocabulary he uses for various variety of jadeite . I m still trying to digest .

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Dug my tourmaline ring out from storage to match the bangle and super loved how it looked today…

At home before leaving the house to run errands…
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In the car…
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While waiting for kids’ enrichment class to end…
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While waiting for another enrichment class to start…
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In the mall…
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This is so beautiful ! The blue water is indeed a beautiful chameleon that goes from deep green to a beautiful translucent lake green under the lights . Emerald shade tourmaline is an awesome match to it ! Very ravishing effect .
 
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berniechocolate said:
1) From what I understood from the gemologist. I think icy variety refers to a particular variety .

Icy in mandarin is exactly that “ 冰种” Bing Zhong ( canto/ mandarin )

so we haven’t actually seen ice cubes or ice in any colors , usually do we lol ? It’s usually colorless or if there’s any hint of color . Usually faint.

so for other varieties that are very strong in translucence and clarity but has intense color , maybe that’s why it’s only described to be highly translucent ?

From what I understand , icy is itself a variety , similarly to how other terms are given to other variety of jadeite

eg

such as lavender ( 紫罗兰 zi luo lan in mandarin ) / imperial green（帝王绿 di wang lu) / blue water（蓝水 lan shui) /black chicken Jadeite ( 乌鸡中 wu ji zhong) / Omphacite ( 墨翠 mo cui ) / Red Yellow jadeite ( 红/黄 翡 hong/guang fei )

2) the term iciness and translucence though are commonly used interchangeably to describe these attributes , when observed in other varieties of jadeite .

although it’s seems more common for gemologist to use the term “ icy variety “ for jadeite that appears to be near colorless . Having very faint or pale hint of colors that have an appearance close to ice or ice cubes .
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Oh Bernie, thank you. No wonder when I asked my jeweler Alice about icy jade she said it usually applies to white or near colorless and that intense colors are not usually called icy. I understand now from your very detailed explanation. Thank you for taking the time to explain. Now I understand.
 
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berniechocolate said:
1) From what I understood from the gemologist. I think icy variety refers to a particular variety .

Icy in mandarin is exactly that “ 冰种” Bing Zhong ( canto/ mandarin )

so we haven’t actually seen ice cubes or ice in any colors , usually do we lol ? It’s usually colorless or if there’s any hint of color . Usually faint.

so for other varieties that are very strong in translucence and clarity but has intense color , maybe that’s why it’s only described to be highly translucent ?

From what I understand , icy is itself a variety , similarly to how other terms are given to other variety of jadeite

eg

such as lavender ( 紫罗兰 zi luo lan in mandarin ) / imperial green（帝王绿 di wang lu) / blue water（蓝水 lan shui) /black chicken Jadeite ( 乌鸡中 wu ji zhong) / Omphacite ( 墨翠 mo cui ) / Red Yellow jadeite ( 红/黄 翡 hong/guang fei )

2) the term iciness and translucence though are commonly used interchangeably to describe these attributes , when observed in other varieties of jadeite .

although it’s seems more common for gemologist to use the term “ icy variety “ for jadeite that appears to be near colorless . Having very faint or pale hint of colors that have an appearance close to ice or ice cubes .
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P.S. YOU are the best!
 
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berniechocolate said:
1) From what I understood from the gemologist. I think icy variety refers to a particular variety .

Icy in mandarin is exactly that “ 冰种” Bing Zhong ( canto/ mandarin )

so we haven’t actually seen ice cubes or ice in any colors , usually do we lol ? It’s usually colorless or if there’s any hint of color . Usually faint.

so for other varieties that are very strong in translucence and clarity but has intense color , maybe that’s why it’s only described to be highly translucent ?

From what I understand , icy is itself a variety , similarly to how other terms are given to other variety of jadeite

eg

such as lavender ( 紫罗兰 zi luo lan in mandarin ) / imperial green（帝王绿 di wang lu) / blue water（蓝水 lan shui) /black chicken Jadeite ( 乌鸡中 wu ji zhong) / Omphacite ( 墨翠 mo cui ) / Red Yellow jadeite ( 红/黄 翡 hong/guang fei )

2) the term iciness and translucence though are commonly used interchangeably to describe these attributes , when observed in other varieties of jadeite .

although it’s seems more common for gemologist to use the term “ icy variety “ for jadeite that appears to be near colorless . Having very faint or pale hint of colors that have an appearance close to ice or ice cubes .
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This was very educational! Thank you for taking the time to share this with us!
 
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Silver Mom said:
P.S. YOU are the best!
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Juju:smile: said:
This was very educational! Thank you for taking the time to share this with us!
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Just sharing yeah !!! Lol “paid too much school fees “ from trips to the gemologist and buying stuff in the past that has issues . Expensive lessons . But lovely sharing in this group so we know what’s out there and we can enjoy each other’s jades vicariously !
 
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Juju:smile: said:
Thanks J! Do you mind sharing which vendor you got this beauty from? Not to many vendors seem to carry narrower widths.
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Hi again! Sorry for the late reply had a crazy Busy week with work. I got mine from a reseller who got it from a physical Shop called the jade museum in KL, Malaysia . But In my search for slimmer widths and smaller sizes, i found some Online options too that have good reviews and seem legit for grade a . here are some you can check out house9jade on singapore carousel . And aa.energ on Instagram . Perhaps others here would also have recommendations
 
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Justinewithane said:
Hi again! Sorry for the late reply had a crazy Busy week with work. I got mine from a reseller who got it from a physical Shop called the jade museum in KL, Malaysia . But In my search for slimmer widths and smaller sizes, i found some Online options too that have good reviews and seem legit for grade a . here are some you can check out house9jade on singapore carousel . And aa.energ on Instagram . Perhaps others here would also have recommendations
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No worries J. Thanks for the info!
 
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