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As a jadeite collector and only have a a small number of nephrite bangles, I'm learning so much here on nephrite. I was just about to buy this bangle listed as nephrite, but let someone else buy it last minute as I didnt want to have it sent from England only to find out it was something else. Here's a photo. I thought because of the brown, it would be safe. It reminded me of a chocolate dipped donut.
 

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I brightened my screen so I could see better and the part that isn’t glowing blue, look like and orange brown glow. I don’t see that on any of my hetian bangles either. That is totally freaking me out. None of the pieces I have purchased from her have glowed, but I will definitely UV mine when it comes Monday.

You are right...I was so focused ont he blue glow that the lesser brownish glow did not register but it was obvious in my last looksy at it before bed but does not seem to be so intense in photosuv P1180353 red.jpg uv P1180349.jpg .

Really have to make a decision about this.
 
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As a jadeite collector and only have a a small number of nephrite bangles, I'm learning so much here on nephrite. I was just about to buy this bangle listed as nephrite, but let someone else buy it last minute as I didnt want to have it sent from England only to find out it was something else. Here's a photo. I thought because of the brown, it would be safe. It reminded me of a chocolate dipped donut.

Yikes~~~~ Can't trust brown stains as they purposely bleach & then stain them to make them look more natural! Gosh that cream looks alot like my cream without the chocolate frosting! Its sort of amorphous inside...the rice water jelly look that I seem to fall for...

I do trust the seller & she says she trusts the source but she & the source could have had one slip through that was "not right".

It does not ring & my green white really does not either but that one is a stoneliner. Still my jadeite has a higher itch than this one is sort of a think thunk ring...lower tone

I can't see really any structures inside even with a bausch & lomb old Gemolite at middle setting which says 2 with a 15X eyepiece so guess that magnification is 30X ( also has 10X & 60X but thats too hi for a dense jade). My loupe is a 15X. Interesting about it not being dyed as she said that she has never known hetian/nephrite to be treated. Gosh I was thinking about a chocolate as a replacement or even trade...

Well it glows & that I am sure of...

I'm feeling I will have to return & hope seller understands as I do want to purchase inthe furture but it does seem there is something strange about this one & I should not be held at fault for it...I hope she will sell to me again but all of us on this forum have learned to do a few tests & we discuss our treasures as well as our heartbreaks.

I don't want to shed black light on the seller as I like her very much but we all can make mistakes...

Thanks Everyone!!!
 
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You are correct, NG-- and just what I was thinking! We shouldn't focus on the "hetian" part, as this is only meant to be the geographical origin of this jade. It's supposed to be nephrite, and it should act like nephrite-- inert under both longwave and shortwave UV light. Should be able to see the typical "felted" type fibers under magnification, in good light. Also, most lookalikes will have a notably lower specific gravity than nephrite, which although not as dense as jadeite, is quite dense.

Thanks..this is great info!

No time for a SG test & I'm not sure what it would tell me..I need to prepare for a 5 week vacation in Australia & this has set me back quite a bit already. I will probably scope it again at 15 & 30X & see if I can see fibers...
 
Good morning Camelotshadowjade! I am sorry this is happening! I hope I can offer some insight, but this is only from my knowledge and not rule of law :smile:

Nephrite is inert under UV light, and shouldn't glow at all. It's notoriously difficult to dye, bleach, or impregnate due to its structure of tightly interlocking stone fibers (which is also the reason its tougher than jadeite). So as a result, nephrite is usually substituted rather than treated. My guess is that your piece might not be nephrite, but a treated agate, onyx, or a type of quartz. Stone treatment and substitution has been perfected over the years and can look pretty close to the real thing whether it has a certificate or not.

I know this is easier said than done, but try not to feel bad. This is all a part of the crazy maze of buying nephrite/jadeite. I'd say get in touch with the seller as soon as possible and return for a refund - but I wouldn't fuss with him/her about them knowing whether or not it's real. Speaking generally, most people selling stone jewelry these days are 3rd party sellers who have very little intimate knowledge of the pieces they're selling. Just try to find reputable sellers you can trust - that will remove some of the hair-pulling of this experience.

Trust me - I feel your pain. It's hard when you spend hard-earned money (and emotional investment) for an item and it isn't what it should be - but it does get better :cool:
Seller said she would take it back but it was from a very reliable source & she is sure its nephrite.
I'd have to lose shipping but thats not the end of the world.

Thanks for the info on nephrite...Should it still have a good nice ring? Those with nephrite has said it does. This one does not have a good ring at all & the sound is a thunk & lower pitch than jadeite
 
Seller said she would take it back but it was from a very reliable source & she is sure its nephrite.
I'd have to lose shipping but thats not the end of the world.

Thanks for the info on nephrite...Should it still have a good nice ring? Those with nephrite has said it does. This one does not have a good ring at all & the sound is a thunk & lower pitch than jadeite

Hi Camelotshadowjade,
Your nephrite should always have a nice, clean chime. A "thunk" or "thud" is never a good sign. There should be no surface pitting. I like a high polish on my nephrite pieces, but overall, hetian nephrites historically polish up with a nice smooth satiny/pearly finish. It's good you can return your item and possibly get something else.

I'm glad you trust your seller - that's half the battle :smile: but it's also a good practice to inspect and/or test your jade (as you've already done), because there's just so many imitations/treatments floating around out there. You're off to a great jade journey!

Have a safe trip, and enjoy!:biggrin:
 
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Well another least hour under the phase contrast scope...40X...can't get any crystal structure but lots of cracking pitting on surface some lines on loupe or hi mag but appears smooth to eye.

This is a line pattern on top of a brown inclusion which made it more visiable..
cracks P1180375 (2).jpg

I could only get a few photos of a brown inclusion...

The bright white spots I think are reflections from some of the surface pitting. Looks like crater & meteor scars...oooh poor Luna!

Poor Luna she still looks like a moon...I will miss her but I may have to part with her...cracks luna P1180385.jpg cracks luna P1180389.jpg
 
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Hi Camelotshadowjade,
Your nephrite should always have a nice, clean chime. A "thunk" or "thud" is never a good sign. There should be no surface pitting. I like a high polish on my nephrite pieces, but overall, hetian nephrites historically polish up with a nice smooth satiny/pearly finish. It's good you can return your item and possibly get something else.

I'm glad you trust your seller - that's half the battle :smile: but it's also a good practice to inspect and/or test your jade (as you've already done), because there's just so many imitations/treatments floating around out there. You're off to a great jade journey!

Have a safe trip, and enjoy!:biggrin:
Arrgh this one is a dud (it was $75 but if natural should still chime so not sure why...

I don't have one yet that has a nice ring/chime...

Can you ask a seller to shine a UV light on it & give it a chime test?



Thanks...I better get packing!!!!!!
 
As a jadeite collector and only have a a small number of nephrite bangles, I'm learning so much here on nephrite. I was just about to buy this bangle listed as nephrite, but let someone else buy it last minute as I didnt want to have it sent from England only to find out it was something else. Here's a photo. I thought because of the brown, it would be safe. It reminded me of a chocolate dipped donut.

I love your comparison to a chocolate dipped donut [emoji507] [emoji39] but if you had doubts about it then it’s best that you didn’t get it. Lovely colour though and that chocolate dip - yum!
 
Arrgh this one is a dud (it was $75 but if natural should still chime so not sure why...

I don't have one yet that has a nice ring/chime...

Can you ask a seller to shine a UV light on it & give it a chime test?



Thanks...I better get packing!!!!!!

I am sooo sorry [emoji52] I gotta tell you, I LOVE your spirit. Your attention to cracking the code of Luna is everything. I know you don’t mind if I’m honest because I’ve never seen anyone more open to opinions as you camelot, but dear please return this bangle. You deserve a natural, untreated, real jade or nephrite bangle thats authenticity isn’t in question. You really do. I think it’s a pretty bangle too, but it’s not what you thought you were purchasing. Please return it and get something you don’t have to worry about. I know you trust the seller and she trust her source, but as you can see nothing is ever 100% certain, until it’s test as such. Unfortunately, this one hasn’t. Pack it up to return and get packing for you 5 week vacation [emoji5] That preparation now needs your attention, right?
 
I am sooo sorry [emoji52] I gotta tell you, I LOVE your spirit. Your attention to cracking the code of Luna is everything. I know you don’t mind if I’m honest because I’ve never seen anyone more open to opinions as you camelot, but dear please return this bangle. You deserve a natural, untreated, real jade or nephrite bangle thats authenticity isn’t in question. You really do. I think it’s a pretty bangle too, but it’s not what you thought you were purchasing. Please return it and get something you don’t have to worry about. I know you trust the seller and she trust her source, but as you can see nothing is ever 100% certain, until it’s test as such. Unfortunately, this one hasn’t. Pack it up to return and get packing for you 5 week vacation [emoji5] That preparation now needs your attention, right?

I feel bad about it but that uv is really concerning & I will never know. I guess it was really not meant to be mine. :confused1:

I really do need to pack & settle things as blast off is Tuesday.

Suppose I should start the ebay return as I have to have it in the mail Mon/ latest tuesday.

OOOhhhhh:sad: Luna is all packed up so can't look at her anymore...

I was so happy when she assured me Luna was natural...

She wrote me this...I feel worse about returning Luna but she does not seem to add up to natural nephrite....

You are very welcome. I really really want you to like it. I am trying my best to help people like us to own beautiful jade pieces. Don’t worry. I guarantee it all natural. Since it fits you so well and so pretty in your hand. I hope it will be your companion and bring you good luck:smile: and I really love the name Luna!
 
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I feel bad about it but that uv is really concerning & I will never know. I guess it was really not meant to be mine. :confused1:

I really do need to pack & settle things as blast off is Tuesday.

Suppose I should start the ebay return as I have to have it in the mail Mon/ latest tuesday.

OOOhhhhh:sad:

I’m sorry Camelot, but I really do think it’s for the best.
 
http://www.asianart.com/phpforum/index.php?method=detailAll&Id=25971#84577

Interesting!

Still peeking at certifs...
Hetians well these are not having A or many are not including specfic gravity or RI
I have seen 2 of these hetians call the absorption spectrum "Not charcteristic"

What does that mean??? Its different than a usual nephrite???
I know there could be differences in translations but not characteristic means different or not in keeping with the standard???

Did you see mutton fat has to be over 3 SG. Most of these are in the 2.95 range...

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jmps/111/5/111_151103/_pdf
 
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