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Box calf leather is named after late-19th century English shoe craftsman Joseph Box. Over the years this leather might have been frequently used by Hermès for its bags, but it is not exclusive to Hermes, so there is no reason why any other company cannot use box calf.
( Vintage Kellys—almost all were carefully crafted from box calf leather)
 
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Box calf leather is named after late-19th century English shoe craftsman Joseph Box. Over the years this leather might have been frequently used by Hermès for its bags, but it is not exclusive to Hermes, so there is no reason why any other company cannot use box calf.
( Vintage Kellys—almost all were carefully crafted from box calf leather)
Thank you for sharing this @WhiteBus :smile:
 
On the subject of leather names, many Hermès leathers are named after places (sometimes the place from which that leather originates). This is especially true of the variety of chèvre leathers the brand has offered over the years:

(Organised semi-chronologically)

Chèvre Marocain - Moroccan goatskin used for the interior of many bags, namely Birkins and Kellys bar some exceptions (i.e. Swift bags)

Chèvre de Coromandel - Goatskin from Coromandel, New Zealand.

Chèvre Mysore - Goatskin named after Mysore, Karnataka, India.

Chèvre Jhansi - Goatskin named after Jhansi, Uttar Pradesh, India.

Chèvre Mangalore - Goatskin named after Mangalore, Karnataka, India.

Chèvre Calcutta - Goatskin named after Calcutta/Kolkata, West Bengal, India.

(I believe Chèvre Chandra and Chèvre Chamkila are the only exceptions.)
 
On the subject of leather names, many Hermès leathers are named after places (sometimes the place from which that leather originates). This is especially true of the variety of chèvre leathers the brand has offered over the years:

(Organised semi-chronologically)

Chèvre Marocain - Moroccan goatskin used for the interior of many bags, namely Birkins and Kellys bar some exceptions (i.e. Swift bags)

Chèvre de Coromandel - Goatskin from Coromandel, New Zealand.

Chèvre Mysore - Goatskin named after Mysore, Karnataka, India.

Chèvre Jhansi - Goatskin named after Jhansi, Uttar Pradesh, India.

Chèvre Mangalore - Goatskin named after Mangalore, Karnataka, India.

Chèvre Calcutta - Goatskin named after Calcutta/Kolkata, West Bengal, India.

(I believe Chèvre Chandra and Chèvre Chamkila are the only exceptions.)
It just dawned on me that I should have included some non-chèvre examples too, in case anyone was curious:

(Organised chronologically by debut year)

Barenia - Calfskin named after the commune of Barr in Alsace, France.

Courchevel - Calfskin named after the Alpine resort and commune in southeastern France.

Vachette Ardennes - Calfskin named after the forested region that spreads into areas of Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, and France. “Vachette” denotes that the animal is a calf (as opposed to a “Vache”— adult cow).

Togo - Calfskin named after the country in Africa.

Epsom - Calfskin named after a town in Surrey, England famous for epsom salt and horse races.

Sikkim - Calfskin named after a state in northern India.

Barenia Faubourg - Calfskin named after the Hermès flagship boutique located at 24 rue du Faubourg Saint-Honoré in Paris, France.
 
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On the subject of leather names, many Hermès leathers are named after places (sometimes the place from which that leather originates). This is especially true of the variety of chèvre leathers the brand has offered over the years:

(Organised semi-chronologically)

Chèvre Marocain - Moroccan goatskin used for the interior of many bags, namely Birkins and Kellys bar some exceptions (i.e. Swift bags)

Chèvre de Coromandel - Goatskin from Coromandel, New Zealand.

Chèvre Mysore - Goatskin named after Mysore, Karnataka, India.

Chèvre Jhansi - Goatskin named after Jhansi, Uttar Pradesh, India.

Chèvre Mangalore - Goatskin named after Mangalore, Karnataka, India.

Chèvre Calcutta - Goatskin named after Calcutta/Kolkata, West Bengal, India.

(I believe Chèvre Chandra and Chèvre Chamkila are the only exceptions.)
Nice to know some leathers are from my state Mangalore
 
I posted this several years ago here in "Origin of a Name" (lots of fun facts in this thread too on various Hermès names) but worth reposting:

Box calf leather is named after Robert and Joseph Box's shoemaking business. From the Museum of Applied Arts and Sciences:


The Joseph Box shoe company was an important London shoemaking business established in 1808 by a ‘ladies shoemaker’ called James Sly. From 1816 Sly’s apprentice was Robert Dixon Box, the fifteen-year-old son of a bankrupted Quaker attorney. Box became manager of the business when Sly died in 1826, subsequently attaining a reputation for fine shoemaking through participation at international exhibitions and by obtaining Royal Warrants. The business became known as Joseph Box Ltd in 1862 after it was transferred to Robert’s son, Joseph. Like his father, Joseph started in the trade at the age of 15, but retired at the relatively early age of 42 to enable his daughters to enter society. Although he transferred the business to his cousins the Box Kinghams in 1882, Joseph maintained an active interest in shoemaking through collecting. Some of the shoes in the collection feature a remarkable 20 stitches to the centimetre exemplifying the attention to detail and quality of workmanship Joseph Box shoes became renowned for. At the end of the century the business was later taken over by royal shoemakers Gundry & Sons, which was itself taken over by John Lobb Ltd some time after 1953.

Also, this from the "Ode to Box Calf" thread:

For those in or visiting Australia you can pilgrimage to the MAAS for the Joseph Box archives. I believe they are at the Discovery Centre in Castle Hill. No bags though !
https://collection.maas.museum/object/135865
 
Ok, so this is probably a ridiculous question. But if Box calf originated with shoes in England, does anyone know how they treated them or with what in order for them to not blister in the rain? I guess after years of polishing they'd be ok, but new Box shoes and British weather :shocked:
Well it's not a ridiculous question...quality shoes that uses box leather must be treated to reduce the risk of blisters in the rain, and that is done through the use of shoe cream and shoe polish, which uses beeswax or other types or wax that will "seal" the leather and render it waterproof (well not completely, so let's just say water resistant)...but Hermès keeps a minimal finish on its box leather, which makes it beautiful and shiny, however, it's not as well protected as a well polished pair of shoes...

However, if the shoes gets wet, it is important to let them dry naturally (absorb as much water as possible with a towel or paper, and no heat, no direct sunlight) and then condition them again (with some quality shoe cream, such as Saphir products that uses natural products, and not silicone/petrol based product...)

The same process holds true for a bag in box that gets some rain on it : never let water stagnates, wipe it off with a towel as soon as possible, and let dry naturally...that should reduces or prevent blisters

This is what happens when you get caught by a thunderstorm and have no towels on hand to wipe fown the rain :

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However, with a bit of time to dry and a bit of work (thanks Saphir products !) this bag lived to fight another day, and you can barely tell what happened to it ! (couldn't find an "after" picture, but it not noticeable anymore !)
 
Well it's not a ridiculous question...quality shoes that uses box leather must be treated to reduce the risk of blisters in the rain, and that is done through the use of shoe cream and shoe polish, which uses beeswax or other types or wax that will "seal" the leather and render it waterproof (well not completely, so let's just say water resistant)...but Hermès keeps a minimal finish on its box leather, which makes it beautiful and shiny, however, it's not as well protected as a well polished pair of shoes...

However, if the shoes gets wet, it is important to let them dry naturally (absorb as much water as possible with a towel or paper, and no heat, no direct sunlight) and then condition them again (with some quality shoe cream, such as Saphir products that uses natural products, and not silicone/petrol based product...)

The same process holds true for a bag in box that gets some rain on it : never let water stagnates, wipe it off with a towel as soon as possible, and let dry naturally...that should reduces or prevent blisters

This is what happens when you get caught by a thunderstorm and have no towels on hand to wipe fown the rain :

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However, with a bit of time to dry and a bit of work (thanks Saphir products !) this bag lived to fight another day, and you can barely tell what happened to it ! (couldn't find an "after" picture, but it not noticeable anymore !)
so box calf is much more robust than many would have you believe!
nonetheless I have to confess to avoid taking my BBC KSaD out in inclement weather!
I am sure that regular care (cleaning and polishing after use) is what helps with shoes
 
Some interesting facts about Hermès Moreletii crocodile skin courtesy of thehermesclub IG stort.

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It is interesting - H has been one of only a few brands actively trying to work with Morelet crocodile over the past decade or so. I do not think they work with Morelet's croc from Belize though; it may still be a protected species there, whereas in Mexico they are farmed and it may not even need a CITES.
 
It just dawned on me that I should have included some non-chèvre examples too, in case anyone was curious:

(Organised chronologically by debut year)

Barenia - Calfskin named after the commune of Barr in Alsace, France.

Courchevel - Calfskin named after the Alpine resort and commune in southeastern France.

Vachette Ardennes - Calfskin named after the forested region that spreads into areas of Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, and France. “Vachette” denotes that the animal is a calf (as opposed to a “Vache”— adult cow).

Togo - Calfskin named after the country in Africa.

Epsom - Calfskin named after a town in Surrey, England famous for epsom salt and horse races.

Sikkim - Calfskin named after a state in northern India.

Barenia Faubourg - Calfskin named after the Hermès flagship boutique located at 24 rue du Faubourg Saint-Honoré in Paris, France.

I may have written this before, but I don't know where.

The reason why they called it Epsom is probably because the leather for jockey saddles had to be made as light and strong as possible.

Epsom (Surrey, England) was home of one of the first racecourses: 1648 (banned under Cromwell 1649-1660) first recorded race 1661 under and in front of Charles II. The racecourse is also home of the Derby, one of the most important events in the racing Calendar and (social) season.
 
I posted about this in another thread, but thought it may be nice to make a more organised, fleshed out post here about the evolution of some of the metals and finishes used for Hermès hardware. Everything will be sorted into semi-arbitrary eras.

1800s to mid-1980s:
*Solid Brass— The original Hermès hardware was solid brass. Solid brass is often confused with gold plated hardware, which was not yet introduced during this era.
*Brushed Brass— Brushed brass hardware was the precursor to the brushed gold and palladium hardware we have today. It is extremely rare to see, so I suspect it was available solely for S.O.
*Guilloché— Though I do not believe it was used for Kellys during this time, brass guilloché hardware was available for other bags.
*Diamond— Diamond hardware has been available at Hermès since at least the mid-1980s. The diamonds would be set in solid gold. Two things to note here: first, this would have been available almost exclusively for Kellys. Second, this version of diamond hardware did not look like current versions of diamond hardware with stones covering the hardware on the sangles. Diamonds would have been present on the touret and lock.

mid-1980s to 1990s:
*Gold Plated Brass— Arguably the most classic and popular version of Hermès hardware, gold plated hardware replaced solid brass in the mid-1980s.
*Palladium Plated Brass— Palladium plated hardware was introduced in the 1990s.
*Brushed Palladium— Brushed palladium hardware was introduced in the late 1990s.

2000s-2010:
*Ruthenium— Ruthenium hardware was introduced in the early aughts.
*Guilloché— Guilloché hardware was finally introduced to Birkin and Kelly lines in the early aughts.
*Permabrass— Permabrass hardware was released in the aughts, but it was not widely available for Birkins or Kellys until the 2010s.
*”PVD” (Physical Vapor Deposition)— PVD treated hardware was introduced in 2010 for Gaultier’s So Black collection.

2010-present:
*Rose Gold Plated Brass— Rose gold plated hardware was introduced in 2018 for bags (bar Kellys).
*Monochrome— Influenced by the So Black collection from 2010, two new monochrome hardware options were introduced in the early 2020s— monochrome green and monochrome pink. There was also a new, improved iteration of So Black monochrome hardware introduced during this time. You may see monochrome green and pink referred to as “So Green” and “So Pink”. You may also see the new version of “So Black” referred to as “Ultra Black”.

Note: As always, all information is based on my own knowledge and research. One hardware which I have not been be able to confidently place is Brushed Gold hardware. I have personally seen this hardware used as early as the 2000s, but would love to hear if anyone has seen examples of it from before then. Please feel free to add on or let me know if I am missing anything! :flowers:
 
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