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#31
Stone I am looking at. Couldn't see any inclusions with the naked eye and it seemed quite fiery in the store.

Ame, can you weigh in on this one? I don't want to mount it and hate it like this last one.

At least it's GIA so that has to count for something over the EGL E VS1. The G SI1 looks whiter than the EGL anyways.
 

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#33
Does this mean you got a refund? Or are you still dealing with this person who is taking advantage of you?

It's a bit deep which means it could be a hair larger in diameter for the carat weight than it is. Were you happy with it in person? I don't love it, but you have to be happy with it.
 
#34
ame said:
Does this mean you got a refund? Or are you still dealing with this person who is taking advantage of you?

It's a bit deep which means it could be a hair larger in diameter for the carat weight than it is. Were you happy with it in person? I don't love it, but you have to be happy with it.
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To be honest I have looked at so many at this point I can't tell what looks good anymore.
 
#35
Based solely on the GIA report, I'd be worried that the inclusions are front and center and the stone isn't eye-clean.

If they were to the side, you might be able to hide them under prongs.
 
#36
Doing some additional research, also took this diamond home and it's no more brilliant than the EGL Int'l stone currently mounted.

What's the deal? Why is it even called Excellent cut if HCA says it's only good?

If GIA is supposed to be the most reliable cert, what is so good about EX/EX/EX

It's not brilliant.....
 
#37
There are a lot of other factors that make a diamond brilliant, not just triple Excellent. You might want to do some research on that.
A piece of cloudy glass can be cut and polish Excellently but it will still be a cloudy piece of glass.
IMO, it's a no to the GIA 1.2ct. The inclusion in the middle would bother you even more.
I would listen to Ame's previous comments if I were you and suggestions on alternative diamonds, she listed a lot of good options for you. I don't know your exact situation with this jeweller "friend" of yours, but if you can't get a satisfying replacement or a refund from him, I'd suggest to get someone else to talk to him to get that refund asap. Good luck dear.
 
#38
This one isn't ideal cut for starters. Just for reference: GIA EX/EX/EX means nothing, in terms of cut quality. Their "excellent" is so wide a net a semi truck can drive through it. GIA is not a lab that grades for cut. They are trying to, but they're not good at it. AGS, however, they are. When you see an AGS report, with an AGS Ideal grade, that means something in terms of cut, because they're the ones that made the mark on cut grading. Beyond that, the clarity on this stone is really an issue, beyond just the angles on this stone not being good with each other. That line about clouds not all being shown on the plot, that is important in this case. That means there's a lot more clouding going on in this stone, and that's impeding light return. That, plus the ton of inclusions in the middle of this diamond that are actually noted on the plot, are making an impact on the light return, thus making this stone less favorable.
 
#39
My husband just bought me a ring. It's a 1 ct princess cut vvs1 I-J set in white gold. Also has another band with smaller diamonds . I honestly don't know what it means but it cost almost 8K. It is beautiful but in certain light it has a yellow tint. Is that normal??
 
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Arlene619 said:
My husband just bought me a ring. It's a 1 ct princess cut vvs1 I-J set in white gold. Also has another band with smaller diamonds . I honestly don't know what it means but it cost almost 8K. It is beautiful but in certain light it has a yellow tint. Is that normal??
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It's the color. The further down the alphabet, the less white the color. I have a 1.02 carat I actually bought myself. It has a very thick girdle but even with a 40x you can not see inclusions, they are hidden by the cut. This diamond should not be worth all that much, but it is very very white and has fluorescence. I have another that has a beautiful cut, extremely clean, but color is a little lower down, about an H or J or so. While the other one's cut is very much appreciated, it is this one that attracts all the attention because it is so white, so fiery, and I have had some of the best jewelers in town take a peek at it for me just for an opinion. It always grabs them, and they stare at it, and regardless of the thick girdle, etc. there is something magical about it and they just gaze at it. When I go out, it just flashes like crazy. What I am saying is after 4 big engagement rings and after having been married to a gemologist (and divorced), I will say that color is what makes the ring spectacular instead of just technically amazing. And it was between this one and a Hearts on Fire which had a depth like water, but this one just had that amazing whiteness, brilliance, and while half the worth of the Hearts on Fire, it was just the most beautiful diamond ever in my collection. And I like the fluorescence. It is really about what appeals to you, but color is number 1 for me, then cut. If you are not in love with your diamond, look at exchanging it! Costco has some amazing diamonds, but I got mine at an estate auction, and was super lucky!
 
#41
A well cut and properly graded I or J is not "yellow." By properly graded I mean a report from a reputable lab like GIA or AGS. Diamonds do pick up color from their surroundings and reflect them within though, so in a warmer environment that can make it warmer than normal.

A stone of that grade in that carat weight, even a fancy shape, will have a little body color from the side, but from the top down will not be warm.

For that size and those specs, 8k is a lot unless that was a complete ring with a lot of work in the setting. But for the stone alone, that is more than should have been paid.
 
#42
luluhalabaloo said:
It's the color. The further down the alphabet, the less white the color. I have a 1.02 carat I actually bought myself. It has a very thick girdle but even with a 40x you can not see inclusions, they are hidden by the cut. This diamond should not be worth all that much, but it is very very white and has fluorescence. I have another that has a beautiful cut, extremely clean, but color is a little lower down, about an H or J or so. While the other one's cut is very much appreciated, it is this one that attracts all the attention because it is so white, so fiery, and I have had some of the best jewelers in town take a peek at it for me just for an opinion. It always grabs them, and they stare at it, and regardless of the thick girdle, etc. there is something magical about it and they just gaze at it. When I go out, it just flashes like crazy. What I am saying is after 4 big engagement rings and after having been married to a gemologist (and divorced), I will say that color is what makes the ring spectacular instead of just technically amazing. And it was between this one and a Hearts on Fire which had a depth like water, but this one just had that amazing whiteness, brilliance, and while half the worth of the Hearts on Fire, it was just the most beautiful diamond ever in my collection. And I like the fluorescence. It is really about what appeals to you, but color is number 1 for me, then cut. If you are not in love with your diamond, look at exchanging it! Costco has some amazing diamonds, but I got mine at an estate auction, and was super lucky!
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Omg thanks so much for the info!! I was reading up on how to choose a diamond and what to look for.. but the "4 C" thing was throwing me off. What matters to me is what it looks like visually ...😊😊😊 as long as it's real and sparkles. I'm happy lol
 
#43
ame said:
A well cut and properly graded I or J is not "yellow." By properly graded I mean a report from a reputable lab like GIA or AGS. Diamonds do pick up color from their surroundings and reflect them within though, so in a warmer environment that can make it warmer than normal.

A stone of that grade in that carat weight, even a fancy shape, will have a little body color from the side, but from the top down will not be warm.

For that size and those specs, 8k is a lot unless that was a complete ring with a lot of work in the setting. But for the stone alone, that is more than should have been paid.
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Thank you for your response. It has been graded but the company is named professional gem sciences lab/pgs. I am going to the store my husband purchased my ring at (Robbins Brothers) I don't know the reputation of that company. I'm hoping it's good. Thanks so much
 
#44
Arlene619 said:
Thank you for your response. It has been graded but the company is named professional gem sciences lab/pgs. I am going to the store my husband purchased my ring at (Robbins Brothers) I don't know the reputation of that company. I'm hoping it's good. Thanks so much
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Robbins is a chain and I personally don't think of them as particularly reputable. They're ridiculously overpriced and usually sell diamonds that are not graded by reputable labs.

If it's the PGS I know of in Chicago, that is just an appraiser and is not a full on lab like GIA or AGS or any other internationally recognized gemological grading body. They're reputable and generally pretty accurate, or at least used to be, but this is not the same type of report that you need in this case. That valuation is really more for insurance purposes which would confirm the GIA or AGS report, and hopefully was not what they based the sales price on. Did it come with any other paperwork?

Assuming they accurately graded this stone (calling it an I-J tells me it was set in the setting when it was graded), there are a few factors in why you might see the color more prominently:
1) You're color sensitive;
2) It is poorly cut, and holding on to the warmth as a result;
3) The rhodium plating in the setting has worn away, and the warmth of the setting is reflecting into the stone, and your eyes are picking that up.
4) You're in a more warmly-colored environment that the stone is picking up and reflecting more often than you realize. Diamonds do pick up their environments and reflect that.

My best guess *assuming it's accurately graded* is 1 or 2.
My best guess other than that is an inaccurate grade, and that it's either a low J or a higher K or even an L. Or some combination of a lower color and poor cut quality.

If you only just bought it, return it for a full refund if you can. If you've had it for a while, you're likely out of luck.
 
#45
I hope the OP got her refund. Then seems like a break from looking at diamonds would be helpful. I generally make better decisions after a cooling off period, especially if a decision has been complicated and stressful.
 
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