Purse forum a scam??..

[mistikat]

That's new information for me. The Japanese dry cleaner that I spoke to said that the polyester nowadays are so similar to silk that they determine whether something's authentic silk by static--that only polyester would create that much static. I'm not an expert on dry cleaning so I believed the information.

I was wearing an Hermes scarf yesterday, a 90 silk twill purchased from the store on the weekend and my hair was static city (it's winter and dry and not unexpected). It also happened on the weekend with a summer weight 140 silk.

Seriously - static is not a test for silk or polyester.

 

[BeenBurned]

Can anyone tell me why, starting with post # 48, it 's showing the posts by puchikiwi as if they're my posts instead of hers? I'm confused...something's wrong there.

Someone misquoted so the formatting got messed up. I fixed it in this post so your quote shows as the correct poster.

 

[muchstuff]

Someone misquoted so the formatting got messed up. I fixed it in this post so your quote shows as the correct poster.

Thanks very much! Happy to be responsible for my posts, not so much for anyone else's!

 

[puchikiwi]

I was wearing an Hermes scarf yesterday, a 90 silk twill purchased from the store on the weekend and my hair was static city (it's winter and dry and not unexpected). It also happened on the weekend with a summer weight 140 silk.

Seriously - static is not a test for silk or polyester.

That's interesting to know! None of my other scarves (all purchased directly from the boutiques) have ever had static problems so I thought it unusual that the one I bought online had so much static. Could this depend on the design? It seems like some have thicker silk than others.

 

[mistikat]

That's interesting to know! None of my other scarves (all purchased directly from the boutiques) have ever had static problems so I thought it unusual that the one I bought online had so much static. Could this depend on the design? It seems like some have thicker silk than others.

Yes, some Hermes scarves do have thicker silk and some are designed to thinner or thicker; some are stiffer depending on the amount of sizing used in them during production and that can make them feel thicker. It's very common for silk to produce static, by the way.

 

[BeenBurned]

That's interesting to know! None of my other scarves (all purchased directly from the boutiques) have ever had static problems so I thought it unusual that the one I bought online had so much static. Could this depend on the design? It seems like some have thicker silk than others.

Soooooooo, puchikiwi. Don't you think it's appropriate that you'd remove your posts from the CB now that you've been proven to be wrong and your allegations have no basis in fact?

xx

 

[puchikiwi]

Soooooooo, puchikiwi. Don't you think it's appropriate that you'd remove your posts from the CB now that you've been proven to be wrong and your allegations have no basis in fact?

x!

Wow, such negativity...

Yes, silk does get static. My silk clothes sometimes stick too much to my body which gets embarrassing. But that's because they have different treatment.

In fact, even though I know this by heart, I asked a few Hermes boutiques (2 in Japan and 1 here in the States). They also confirmed that static is NOT common in their scarves. So even though there might be a few cases that static occurs, it is NOT common. None of my 10+ boutique-bought scarves EVER had static. The one I bought online that did have static was opened along with all of my originals (just to compare). So under the same temperature and climate, what could have been the difference? The quality of silk? This thickness of it? All of my scarves have different thickness and softness so logically that could not be an explanation.

Oh, BTW, the Japanese vendor I bought from is being investigated by Hermes Japan now. The vendor is selling the scarf again that I returned (they even emailed me to let me know before they relisted it). None of you on this board saw the scarf I bought from that vendor, nor any of you have actually touched it. So please do not try to invalidate MY expertise in determining whether an Hermes scarf I bought online was real or not. I was just throwing out questions here to see what kind of answers might come back. And it seems like if I give a logical explanation on how the scarf was deemed as fake here, then some of the established members get defensive, which doesn't really leave room for an open/honest discussion. And perhaps that is the kind of behavior that leads people to suspect that this forum might be a scam.

 

[mistikat]

Wow, such negativity...

Yes, silk does get static. My silk clothes sometimes stick too much to my body which gets embarrassing. But that's because they have different treatment.

In fact, even though I know this by heart, I asked a few Hermes boutiques (2 in Japan and 1 here in the States). They also confirmed that static is NOT common in their scarves. So even though there might be a few cases that static occurs, it is NOT common. None of my 10+ boutique-bought scarves EVER had static. The one I bought online that did have static was opened along with all of my originals (just to compare). So under the same temperature and climate, what could have been the difference? The quality of silk? This thickness of it? All of my scarves have different thickness and softness so logically that could not be an explanation.

Oh, BTW, the Japanese vendor I bought from is being investigated by Hermes Japan now. The vendor is selling the scarf again that I returned (they even emailed me to let me know before they relisted it). None of you on this board saw the scarf I bought from that vendor, nor any of you have actually touched it. So please do not try to invalidate MY expertise in determining whether an Hermes scarf I bought online was real or not. I was just throwing out questions here to see what kind of answers might come back. And it seems like if I give a logical explanation on how the scarf was deemed as fake here, then some of the established members get defensive, which doesn't really leave room for an open/honest discussion. And perhaps that is the kind of behavior that leads people to suspect that this forum might be a scam.

Just to remind you, to claim that you know better than somebody else just because they don't have "expert" status on this site may appear more kooky outside of this board, to people in the real world.

Static is common in silk. Hermes silk is not made by precious unicorns and it does get staticky, depending on conditions that cause it. It is not a sign of something being fake and there are plenty of fakes made of high quality silk.

It's impossible to evaluate or negate "your expertise" determining the authenticity of a scarf because frankly, we have no idea who you are or what your expertise may be. You have a handful of posts here in which your energy has been focused on slamming the PF rules and community. So ... negativity in response to you? Not so much.

As you've been told, we have a rule in place that members are asked not to provide opinions on authenticity if they have fewer than 500 posts demonstrating deep brand knowledge. That rule clearly doesn't sit well with you and that's cool. Not all communities are a good fit for all people. You may find another online community that is a better fit for your unique talents. And I hope you are a wonderful contributor and very happy there.

 

[puchikiwi]

Static is common in silk. Hermes silk is not made by precious unicorns and it does get staticky, depending on conditions that cause it. It is not a sign of something being fake and there are plenty of fakes made of high quality silk.

It's impossible to evaluate or negate "your expertise" determining the authenticity of a scarf because frankly, we have no idea who you are or what your expertise may be. You have a handful of posts here in which your energy has been focused on slamming the PF rules and community. So ... negativity in response to you? Not so much.

As you've been told, we have a rule in place that members are asked not to provide opinions on authenticity if they have fewer than 500 posts demonstrating deep brand knowledge. That rule clearly doesn't sit well with you and that's cool. Not all communities are a good fit for all people. You may find another online community that is a better fit for your unique talents. And I hope you are a wonderful contributor and very happy there.

It's not just the static that was the problem. It was the amount of static on top of all the other fishy factors (box, tag, quality of silk, etc.) that were red flags to me. But according to the 500+ post rule here, I'm not even "allowed" to share that info with members here.

I believe that many outside people would find the 500+ post rule surprising. But if that's the rule of this board, so be it. You have to understand though that just because one does not have 500+ posts HERE doesn't make them less qualified to authenticate something or not in the real world. Unfortunately, it seems like some people are so caught up in the rules here that they aren't able to grasp that concept.

Also, just because I challenge certain members (unfortunately few established ones?) shouldn't be the reason to be shunned out. Isn't that how fascism works? If people continue these kind of bullying behavior, the more purseforum will seem like a scam site. But I want to believe in genuinely supportive members here and will continue my contribution.

 

[mistikat]

It's amusing that being informed of the rules of a community makes it seem to you as though you are being scammed or bullied. Silk is staticky. Rules are not fascism.

 

[Swanky]

We don't allow name calling or attacks of members no matter how long someone has been here, such comments were removed.

 

[BeenBurned]

I believe that many outside people would find the 500+ post rule surprising. But if that's the rule of this board, so be it. You have to understand though that just because one does not have 500+ posts HERE doesn't make them less qualified to authenticate something or not in the real world. Unfortunately, it seems like some people are so caught up in the rules here that they aren't able to grasp that concept.

You are missing the entire point!

The 500-post rule doesn't qualify someone to become expert. The purpose of the 500 post rule is to give that person time to prove their knowledge and expertise.

In your case, in just 16 posts, not only have you not begun to prove your expertise but you've proven your lack of knowledge.

1. You didn't know that silk causes static as you stated here: http://forum.purseblog.com/authenticate-this-/purse-forum-a-scam-931619-5.html#post29793811
and then in this post, you admit that some of your silk clothing sticks to you, causing embarrassment: http://forum.purseblog.com/showpost.php?p=29794335&postcount=67

2. You say, "just because one does not have 500+ posts HERE doesn't make them less qualified to authenticate something"

Yet in this post, you ask how to authenticate a scarf:

I would like to ask everybody here for some advice. Since I got interested in vintage Hermes scarves, I've been doing a lot of research online and found many sites that sell mirror replica Hermes scarves (with all the right marks, signatures, etc.). Of course replicas of recent designs are more recognizable because the colors might be off and stuff, but for the vintage designs, how do you know whether they are fake? I mean, the designs are photo exact. I've seen identical scarves on various sites that claim to sell "authentic" vintage Hermes scarves, but how would you know when the conventional method of verifying these scarves no longer stand? They are sold in more-or-less authentic looking boxes and with tags that look real attached. Then how can one tell whether a scarf is fake or not?

3. And several days ago, you requested an authentication:
http://forum.purseblog.com/authenti...lease-read-rules-792303-286.html#post29778710

I think what annoys me most about your posts is that without answers to your questions and without proof that your allegations are true, in post #67, you admit to having reported the seller to Hermes. While Hermes will probably do nothing, especially when the experts have deemed the scarf as authentic, that type of vigilante action is wrong.

And THESE are reasons why TPTB at TPF want to make sure that authenticators know what they're talking about.

 

[Kendall BC]

Dear puchikiwi,
This is what you wrote on CB:

"I have been surfing the Purse forum for a while and finally signed up to post some (what I deemed) insights that might help buyers from buying fake items online. Every time I post something, it gets deleted due to my not being an "expert" which the moderator defines as somebody who posts more than 500 posts. However, if they keep up deleting my posts, I will never become an expert to pitch in. Also, I realized that those so-called experts, one whose name is surfer-chick(?) is, as a fact, a total fraud. Whenever people ask her to verify a scarf, she says that it's authentic even when it's clearly a fake! This is one of the reasons I signed up to posts stuff (to stop people like her from misguiding people). Anyway, with all my deleted posts and the false verification by the "experts" there, I came to a conclusion that Purse forum might be a scam."

She is one of our most respected members here and I trust her expertise on Hermes scarves, and you call her a fraud? I believe that you owe her and this forum an apology.

Secondly, I buy many scarves from the store in your accusation (yes, I have been collecting Hermes scarves for sooo long and I travel to Japan to shop as well) and that store is legit, they're not selling fake scarves (knowingly, at least). I also buy online from them.

So, I'm really confused, what's your motivation here, but really, I think you need to apologize to people you wrongly accused.

 

[Kendall BC]

It's not just the static that was the problem. It was the amount of static on top of all the other fishy factors (box, tag, quality of silk, etc.) that were red flags to me. But according to the 500+ post rule here, I'm not even "allowed" to share that info with members here.

I believe that many outside people would find the 500+ post rule surprising. But if that's the rule of this board, so be it. You have to understand though that just because one does not have 500+ posts HERE doesn't make them less qualified to authenticate something or not in the real world. Unfortunately, it seems like some people are so caught up in the rules here that they aren't able to grasp that concept.

Also, just because I challenge certain members (unfortunately few established ones?) shouldn't be the reason to be shunned out. Isn't that how fascism works? If people continue these kind of bullying behavior, the more purseforum will seem like a scam site. But I want to believe in genuinely supportive members here and will continue my contribution.

Dear puchikiwi,
This is what you wrote on CB:

"I have been surfing the Purse forum for a while and finally signed up to post some (what I deemed) insights that might help buyers from buying fake items online. Every time I post something, it gets deleted due to my not being an "expert" which the moderator defines as somebody who posts more than 500 posts. However, if they keep up deleting my posts, I will never become an expert to pitch in. Also, I realized that those so-called experts, one whose name is surfer-chick(?) is, as a fact, a total fraud. Whenever people ask her to verify a scarf, she says that it's authentic even when it's clearly a fake! This is one of the reasons I signed up to posts stuff (to stop people like her from misguiding people). Anyway, with all my deleted posts and the false verification by the "experts" there, I came to a conclusion that Purse forum might be a scam."


The person you mentioned is one of our most respected members here and I trust her expertise on Hermes scarves, and you call her a fraud? I believe that you owe her and this forum an apology.

Secondly, I buy many scarves from the store in your accusation (yes, I have been collecting Hermes scarves for sooo long and I travel to Japan to shop as well) and that store is legit, they're not selling fake scarves (knowingly, at least). I also buy online from them.

So, I'm really confused, what's your motivation here, but really, I think you need to apologize to people you wrongly accused.

And yes, my Hermes scarves do get staticky...

 

[puchikiwi]

Dear puchikiwi,
This is what you wrote on CB:

"I have been surfing the Purse forum for a while and finally signed up to post some (what I deemed) insights that might help buyers from buying fake items online. Every time I post something, it gets deleted due to my not being an "expert" which the moderator defines as somebody who posts more than 500 posts. However, if they keep up deleting my posts, I will never become an expert to pitch in. Also, I realized that those so-called experts, one whose name is surfer-chick(?) is, as a fact, a total fraud. Whenever people ask her to verify a scarf, she says that it's authentic even when it's clearly a fake! This is one of the reasons I signed up to posts stuff (to stop people like her from misguiding people). Anyway, with all my deleted posts and the false verification by the "experts" there, I came to a conclusion that Purse forum might be a scam."


The person you mentioned is one of our most respected members here and I trust her expertise on Hermes scarves, and you call her a fraud? I believe that you owe her and this forum an apology.

Secondly, I buy many scarves from the store in your accusation (yes, I have been collecting Hermes scarves for sooo long and I travel to Japan to shop as well) and that store is legit, they're not selling fake scarves (knowingly, at least). I also buy online from them.

So, I'm really confused, what's your motivation here, but really, I think you need to apologize to people you wrongly accused.

And yes, my Hermes scarves do get staticky...

One of the reasons I joined this site was to share my negative experience and to warn other members, which I thought would be welcomed rather than rejected.

As I said before, I always bought scarves directly from shops and since starting to buy vintage designs online a few months ago, I was able to collect a few very nice ole designs. But out of the nine I purchased so far, to my surprise, 2 turned out to be super A-level fakes. One vendor profusely apologized, but this particular one was adamant. Thus my battle with them.

I have nothing at stake since I got my money back from the vendor. But it's the principle that matters. I want to prevent fakes from being sold online. However, it seems like from the hierarchical bullying attitude here, this principal becomes secondary to the egos of the established experts here. Why should I apologize for having a different opinion? Something is amiss here.

"The person you mentioned is one of our most respected members here and I trust her expertise on Hermes scarves, and you call her a fraud? I believe that you owe her and this forum an apology."

Wow, this is truly fascism at its worst. Please go an read on what Fascism is and you'll see how the culture established here is precisely that. When objectivity is quelled by arbitrary rules of a community and thus no logic is acceptable, and people blindly obey to hierarchy, then this is fascism. Remember how the Holocaust systematically occurred! But what's the point of trying to educate you. Surferchick did in fact authenticate a few fake items which I could even tell. Is she a certified expert in Hermes scarves and thus invincible? Am I witnessing Idol-worship here? This is another reason why I wanted to join this site so I could pitch in my 2 cents, but who would listen to me. I am in NO position to authenticate, right? Anyway, good luck!