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I kindly request that all members participating in the MM and Harry thread dial back the vile rhetoric.

I am not opposed to discussing public personas on TPF, including the constant torrent of news surrounding the couple from this thread. But I find it troubling when their looks are being nitpicked apart to a degree that is just not appropriate.

This thread has drawn criticism over the years, and I discussed it at great length with Megs and the mods. I am not looking to close it down, but the vitriol needs to be dialed back.

My personal feelings about hate threads aside, this ultra-negative vibe is something better suited for other forums, Reddit, or elsewhere. I am holding our community to higher standards.

Thanks for reading.
 
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QueenofWrapDress said:
Why is it that otherwise intelligent people fall for her shtick, and in an extremely bizarre and unhealthy way. Then again, I minored in Middle East Studies and I still ponder how the heads of the OG Islamic terrorism were mostly rich kids with a Western college education.
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Actually that never surprised me. Look at the kids who set off bombs in the US. Educated and privileged.

Back to topic. Many people have a huge emotional reaction to a person they think is being unfairly judged. In this case, over time, the more intelligent people who can actually think and observe, have changed their minds about her and no longer support her. Even the media, who used to love the two of them has done a 180.
 
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gracekelly said:
I don't like calling a person mentally ill because I don't have the training to substantiate that statement. All I have is decades of working with people at their worst and my observations. That said, I do think there is real illness in her case. She has gone beyond norms and even eccentricities that society considers "normal" behavior. The need to harm, even in a figurative sense, has gone beyond the acceptable. There is truth to the pen is mightier than the sword. It certainly can be more hurtful in an emotional sense.

After this last fiasco with the Telegraph, a media outlet should be very careful in what they believe coming from her camp. The fact that this article was edited 5 times is a clue to how much trouble the paper felt they were in. What they should have done was pull the entire piece.
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Is the Telegraph known to be her mouth piece? The other thread claims it to be Camilla's. I cannot follow anymore. But the Telegraph IS NOT a tabloid. How can they be in her pocket? I don’t get it.
 
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QueenofWrapDress said:
The UK's actual most eligible bachelor (sorry, Wills! He's richer and his fiancée won't be the victim of a relentless manhunt) is off the market.

ETA: to keep it relevant, someone commented how they hoped the duke did a better background check than the BRF on Ghoul and a bunch of sugars freaked. Why are they even following actual royal reporters when they never post anything they can agree with (because otherwise they wouldn't have picked up on that one single comment so quickly).

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Is this the girl that he has been seeing for years? He knew someone from college I think.
 
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QueenofWrapDress said:
What do we think, will Harry make the list? They grew up together, Grosvenor's mother is William's godmother and he himself is George's godfather, and Harry went to his 21st birthday party. But also, the man is HUGELY private and I can't see him wanting loose lipped Ghoul anywhere near him.

Wasn't there a rumour she grossly misbehaved at one of his London parties?
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This family is not into splash as a rule. He might have a quieter wedding than you would expect of a person with this wealth and status.
 
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marietouchet said:
Chapter 2, LETTERGATE 2.0 - The DENIAL
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Is it possible that this was the plan all along. Is this how low she has sunk to keep herself in the news cycle? Point fingers and then say you are wrong and I didn't point fingers? Either this is a deliberate plan to create confusion or their PR dept is completely F*ked up. Obfuscation, and confusion peppered with a few lies. The hallmarks of the SussEx.
 
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Helventara said:
Is the Telegraph known to be her mouth piece? The other thread claims it to be Camilla's. I cannot follow anymore. But the Telegraph IS NOT a tabloid. How can they be in her pocket? I don’t get it.
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I think it's more that The Telegraph is leaning a little left, traditionally critical of the BRF and had therefore picked Harry's and Ghoul's side early on.
 
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marietouchet said:
Chapter 2, LETTERGATE 2.0 - The DENIAL
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The non-denial denial. Reddit explains in spoiler:
"The Duchess of Sussex is going about her life in the present, not thinking about correspondence from two years ago related to conversations from four years ago. Any suggestion otherwise is false and frankly ridiculous. We encourage tabloid media and various royal correspondents to stop the exhausting circus that they alone are creating," Hansen says.

Read this statement carefully - what is the first thing you notice? On first glance one would assume that this official statement is a denial to the claims M leaked the story of the alleged letters exchanged between herself and KC, correct?

Now re-read it - this OFFICIAL statement, directly from M, has not addressed the elephant in the room, the question everyone is asking about who briefed The Telegraph on the alleged contents of personal letters exchanged between M & KC. It has avoided addressing this entirely and has attempted to instead deflect attention to claims made in the media that M is not attending the coronation because of this "matter".

This official statement is nothing but a PR puff piece providing no clarity around whether M is responsible for the leak. Instead, the purpose of this statement is to use words such as “ridiculous" and "false" to encourage the reader to assume everything regarding the leak about the letters is untrue, and going even further in suggesting that the media and royal correspondents are acting ALONE and are responsible for this story. It has clearly been written to absolve KC or M directly of any responsibility regarding the story about M's attendance at the coronation - M has been very particular about that.

HOWEVER she has tried - and failed - to avoid addressing the briefing of the story to The Telegraph and any accountability she has. I have a thorough understanding of PR and comms and what this statement says to me is that she is deflecting from acknowledging any wrongdoing in briefing The Telegraph about the contents of the letters and their existence, however to remove some of the heat being placed on her at present she will instead officially address the smaller and inconsequential story about the contents of the letters as the main reason she is not attending the coronation.

A classic PR tactic and thorough in its wording - she hasn't made a denial about being the source of the leak, because if recent media stories about legal action being taken by the BRF are true there is a possibility that The Telegraph will disclose who their informant is and if she officially denies involvement and is found out to be lying that is going to be a lot harder to come back from, especially after she was exposed lying about contributing to Finding Freedom.

My guess is that she is hoping her half-assed and irrelevant OFFICIAL statement will be enough to put fires out for now and that by the time the coronation is over this story will be old news and forgotten about. My hope is that the BRF follow through with their legal action and she is exposed as the manipulator and liar that she really is. [\spoiler]
 
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Helventara said:
Is the Telegraph known to be her mouth piece? The other thread claims it to be Camilla's. I cannot follow anymore. But the Telegraph IS NOT a tabloid. How can they be in her pocket? I don’t get it.
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Byrony wrote an article about H&M - she even posed for a photo
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gracekelly said:
This family is not into splash as a rule. He might have a quieter wedding than you would expect of a person with this wealth and status.
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They trace their money to the 1,500s. The definition of ‘old money’ and connections.
 
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Helventara said:
Is the Telegraph known to be her mouth piece? The other thread claims it to be Camilla's. I cannot follow anymore. But the Telegraph IS NOT a tabloid. How can they be in her pocket? I don’t get it.
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Well, I never thought TIME or the NY Times were tabloids either, but I sure as heck don't trust either of them any more. The fact they can be bought has become painfully obvious over the the past few years.
 
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