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I kindly request that all members participating in the MM and Harry thread dial back the vile rhetoric.

I am not opposed to discussing public personas on TPF, including the constant torrent of news surrounding the couple from this thread. But I find it troubling when their looks are being nitpicked apart to a degree that is just not appropriate.

This thread has drawn criticism over the years, and I discussed it at great length with Megs and the mods. I am not looking to close it down, but the vitriol needs to be dialed back.

My personal feelings about hate threads aside, this ultra-negative vibe is something better suited for other forums, Reddit, or elsewhere. I am holding our community to higher standards.

Thanks for reading.
 
There were some rumours that Zed pushed for a quickie (by royal standards) wedding by claiming that she had a bun in the oven. Sparry likely believed her because by then, he believed everything spilling from her maw.

I'm getting a very bad impression of Ms Garbus. Sounds like she did accomplice work like the ghostwriter and spun their pathetic story, put enough window dressing on to make it seem to make sense.
She sees all the lies have been discovered and knows that she will carry some of the blame. She is trying to spread it around by including BP. How could BP comment when not given an advance viewing. It’s all nonsense
 
I vowed never to return to this thread but I just wanted to thank you for this.

Elvis Presley was not a king he was a man who worshipped his King - he was a human with failings but he was a man who gave so much more than he ever took -he gave away more than he spent never publicising any of it and he never forgot where he came from

Graceland was his sanctuary and I feel honoured to have been able to visit it - the royals Harry Beatrice Eugenie and yes William were an absolute disgrace and an embarrassment when they visited it - I hope they feel thoroughly ashamed now - well possibly two of them might - the other two are the lowest of the low the friendly cousins
I know this reply is pages behind. Apologies if this article has already been posted. Also I know Memphis is a fun place and loves everyone visiting. From the looks of these photos, it looks like these royals have always been obnoxious. :sad:

 
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My guess the only people Harry hasn't badmouthed is MI-6. They could take him out and cover up their tracks perfectly. Chicken boy doesn't dare blast MI-6, hmmmm....
He's in the US now. I say, sic the IRS on him :biggrin: and his moll.

Interesting new theory regarding the Harkles' behaviour is that they "suffer" from main character syndrome, which is not an actual psychological problem but a snide description of people who think they are starring in their own life story.

 
Spare seems to have been highly profitable for the ghost writer (and his wife). :hrmm:



No wonder he’s so sympathetic to the cause of someone who slept their way to the top….
I must really be old then. I grew up in the 70s and I never, ever shared lipgloss or lipstick with anyone, even my closest friends. "Communal lipgloss"? Ew. But I will ask my daughters and see what they say.
This is more ‘relatable’ BS again from the paid journos. If anyone is convinced M was some sort of child bride then I have a bridge to sell them. It’s not true, most teenagers are very territorial but even so it’s a stupid analogy as Teenage girls aren’t 40 year old women and teenagers scrabbling through their meagre pocket money to get mac over Revlon aren’t the wives of inherited money with a personal team who do their hair and makeup.
Has someone checked on Scobie?



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Scobie, I know I’ve mocked you in the past, but please know….
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Your *****y ‘friends’ have ditched you - what a surprise. At least be happy you didn’t get run over once you outlived your usefulness.

Just know If you want to stop being a liar and a treacherous embarrassment we will welcome you back into the fold! We know it’s hard out here…. Especially for an ageing twink with botched fillers who can’t write.
Come join us, we’re much funnier than H&M at least…
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Harold missed the cross, but can still get the dress. Perfect for the coronation that they may not attend. :hrmm:

I think she must take all these crosses as a personal insult..

Lol....this is a brilliant piece of writing :lol: You absolutely pin pointed the issue down to a tee!
Thank you very much I just find this whole situation so deeply baffling and annoying I do occasionally manage to put concisely it in words rather than just Aaaaarrrggghbhh this is a mess!
Well … the BRF would have been lambasted for not giving its first mixed race member a ladida wedding …
Zara and Peter were married in Scotland , if I remember, low key

Yes book recounts his asking QEII for permission but when did he do it ? He states her answer was “well I guess I must agree “ (or similar words indicating her reluctance)
This has changed over the years. I remember during 20/21 all the sources lady C and the like (and we still see this camp with Giles Brandrith’s book) were saying that the Queen & the royals apart from Phil and Anne were really besotted with M and her nasty behaviour didn’t start til after the marriage.

Now both H’s book, low’s book and pro sources alike are reporting all these problems before the wedding.

I think this is just a case of telling people what they want to hear. With lockdown and the whole George Floyd thing people were a lot more nervous and wary about the future and they wanted the royals to seem kind, innocent and welcoming and people were much more willing to give M the benefit of the doubt because of her race. Now of course, they’ve shown what utter arseholes they are to the vast majority of the world and people want a spicier, conflict heavy narrative.

I don’t think we will ever know the truth but what I personally draw from the facts of the large wedding and the relentless pushing of M being ‘a breath of fresh biracial air’ is they thought she’d be great PR and that outweighed anything.

Now that’s proven untrue they’ve been content to do nothing to defend the British people against accusations of racism, the press against bullying and manslaughter, institutions like the Army and health service against incompetence provided H&M never explicitly call one of their own racist :rolleyes:

They are utterly spineless.
The Palace has been silent, so LG's concerns may sound unfounded. :hrmm:



Liz Garbus, in an interview with Vanity Fair, claims the Palace was contacted about the series, but denied being asked for comment so they could 'discredit the content of the show'…

Ms Garbus, in her Vanity Fair interview published today, revealed exploring issues of racism, colonialism and alleged white supremacy in the British Monarchy was her idea.

'For me, what was really important was to connect the dots to these larger historical issues,' she told the magazine, adding that the couple was, 'to their credit, very open and willing to journey down some of the paths that they might not have originally considered.'

'The love story is the spine, but, for me, it was always necessary to…connect the dots to the personal story and the larger historical context,' Ms Garbus stated.

What a surprise the idea of putting something of substance (not much in reality but still) was suggested by someone else.

Um, maybe do some research and have something specific to say about what the relationship is and was and why it’s relevant to this story then?
I am slightly confused. Is she operating on the assumption the we don't know The Empire colonized half of the world (we do, Liz. It's called history lessons), or does she think the UK still has colonies?
Yeah if her aim was to explore the connections and educate she did a **** job because it is so basic I think even Harry knew the talking points already.
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Spare audio book available for $34
I will not be listening to this whiny boy
That sounds like a total rip off - it’s half price and not selling here in the U.K. :lol:
Admittedly, I stay out of the loop as much as possible. Still, I do not know anyone who talks like this. Is it am effort to sound intelligent? educated? Is it a California thing? I do know lawyers, doctors, professors, etc. No one talks like this.

The love story is the spine? Liz, didn’t Hazzi say hint the love story is his todger. Has something changed? :-s
I choose to take this incredibly garbled metaphor as a reference to Quasimodo… maybe in some old French folk tale once you join the spots on his back You can see the face of your future spouse? If it looks like M or H you adjust Q’s skincare routine until you get a more pleasing result.
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He had to ask her permission or he wouldn't have gotten the big wedding. The question is did he lie about having to get married so quickly? So quickly that it made Eugenie give up her date and take a later one.

If I recall correctly, Eug did get a big wedding too. Maybe they should have matched $$$ budgets and said what they spend on Eug, they spend on H for both weddings.

They should not have matched (+ inflation) with W&C
 
Interesting new theory regarding the Harkles' behaviour is that they "suffer" from main character syndrome, which is not an actual psychological problem but a snide description of people who think they are starring in their own life story.

It’s not exactly the same, but sounds very similar and therefore reminded me of it. To me MM always looked like someone who’s nonstop acting in a movie. All her projects and “humanitarian efforts” etc., all talk but no action. It’s like in a movie, when you watch a character that’s working hard for a goal and there’s a montage with background music inserted to show the various stages of progress in a very short time. In the end we see the result and the praise the character gets for its great achievement. MM acts just like that. She wants to be seen a certain way, wants to earn the praise and loves to play all the things before and after the montage but she doesn’t want to do all the hard work in between but there’s no one to edit a montage in real life. Therefore she never delivers but keeps on living in her delusional movie set world. You know, when you were a kid an gave pretend interviews into the hairbrush in front of the mirror? She’s nonstop doing that. She wants to dress up in expensive designer clothes, be associated with the big shots, be admired and showered with love, never criticized, being handed awards for everything that comes to mind and walk the red carpets while being asked what her beauty secrets are and how it feels to be such a perfect, successful human being that the world has never seen before. It’s always pretend, pretend, pretend and no substance.
 
'The love story is the spine, but, for me, it was always necessary to…connect the dots to the personal story and the larger historical context,' Ms Garbus stated.

You know what really gets me with these 'let me organise the world for you little people' people like Ms Garbus, especially the ones that bang on about colonialism, we are ALL part of the "larger historical context".

H&M are privileged. In the scheme of things and globally both were born privileged. I don't care what colour either one of them thinks they are or who they're related to. The are privileged by birth or marrying into it. If H&M really don't want to have anything to do with 'dirty money, privilege (money) and/or class, they can refuse to be a part of it, distance themselves from their titles and birthright (him) give back the money (that C gave D as divorce settlement) left to H, refuse all VIP invitations, even reimburse their parents for their respective 'education'. Why is their story so much more significant than anyone else's? Isn't that why we stopped just learning about kings and queens at school?

The only thing they hate is they're not at the top. They don't have a problem with colonial rule, class or the wealthy elite. Their only gripe is they're not Emperor and Empress of all entire world, not richer than Bill Gates and their own class (Harry's really) thinks they're gauche and crass.

There were some rumours that Zed pushed for a quickie (by royal standards) wedding by claiming that she had a bun in the oven. Sparry likely believed her because by then, he believed everything spilling from her maw.

I'm getting a very bad impression of Ms Garbus. Sounds like she did accomplice work like the ghostwriter and spun their pathetic story, put enough window dressing on to make it seem to make sense.

In Spare, M seems to have had multiple miscarriages. It's hard to get a timeline unless tracked from the outside (print/online articles) but notes on the frequency, inconsistencies and order is within this thread.

Perhaps, she did pull 'the oldest trick in the book' to get the wedding done and dusted in record time - she certainly didn't have anything to lose and everything to gain. It would certainly explain a lot.
 
In Spare, M seems to have had multiple miscarriages. It's hard to get a timeline unless tracked from the outside (print/online articles) but notes on the frequency, inconsistencies and order is within this thread.

Perhaps, she did pull 'the oldest trick in the book' to get the wedding done and dusted in record time - she certainly didn't have anything to lose and everything to gain. It would certainly explain a lot.
She strikes me as the kind who will yell "I'm pregnant" whenever her period is late, and "I lost the baby" if her monthly flow is heavy. We can tell from Sparry's "fun birthing" account that he knows only a smidgen about the reproductive process.
 
He's in the US now. I say, sic the IRS on him :biggrin: and his moll.

Interesting new theory regarding the Harkles' behaviour is that they "suffer" from main character syndrome, which is not an actual psychological problem but a snide description of people who think they are starring in their own life story.


Jean Baudrillard's work (1981) Simulacres et Simulation pretty much said it first, he even noted that people were using Sony Walkmans to add soundtracks (to their own life).

Again, Harry has been trained from a very young age to KNOW he is at least one of the main characters (from the main family) and that everyone else is just an extra. Patronise, promise, wave to, but still just extras in Harry's film.

Meghan absolutely went about getting her role like prepping for an audition for a lead character. She's not a good actress, but she's a good at getting herself noticed. She knows she's a fraud. Unfortunately, for her, most of us know she is too. Tom Bower's book is a testament to her drive and ambition to be the leading actress on the world stage.
 
The only thing they hate is they're not at the top. They don't have a problem with colonial rule, class or the wealthy elite. Their only gripe is they're not Emperor and Empress of all entire world, not richer than Bill Gates and their own class (Harry's really) thinks they're gauche and crass.

This sums them up perfectly.
 
It’s like in a movie, when you watch a character that’s working hard for a goal and there’s a montage with background music inserted to show the various stages of progress in a very short time. In the end we see the result and the praise the character gets for its great achievement. MM acts just like that. She wants to be seen a certain way, wants to earn the praise and loves to play all the things before and after the montage but she doesn’t want to do all the hard work in between but there’s no one to edit a montage in real life. Therefore she never delivers but keeps on living in her delusional movie set world. You know, when you were a kid an gave pretend interviews into the hairbrush in front of the mirror? She’s nonstop doing that. She wants to dress up in expensive designer clothes, be associated with the big shots, be admired and showered with love, never criticized, being handed awards for everything that comes to mind and walk the red carpets while being asked what her beauty secrets are and how it feels to be such a perfect, successful human being that the world has never seen before. It’s always pretend, pretend, pretend and no substance.
Except Meghan’s montage would be comprised of multiple photo ops of her looking concerned with no actual work.

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Col Tom Parker his manager was most likely in the US illegally. He was born in Holland. Even if he became legal, he didn't want to travel out of the US for fear of being extradited on a crime that he might have been involved in. He turned down numerous offers for Elvis to tour in Europe and overseas. Elvis had been in the army in Germany, so it wasn't as if he had never been out of the US.

Elvis overpaid his taxes all through his career. Parker didn't want to do anything that would jeopardize his own status in the US. There were no fancy accountants hired to find tax breaks etc for Elvis' earnings. It wasn't until the end of his life that Elvis tried to break away from him.
And sadly never could as that evil old man had him cornered and drove him into the ground
 
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