PM Empreinte Noir “leather”?

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Empreinte leather isn’t fine leather like Taurillon. It coated leather. I think with more time the leather become better. At least that how I feel with my 6 key holder.
It was stiff and lack smell of leather when bought. Now the leather feel more softer to touch but still very firm. Honestly it my favorite piece. I would just wish LV produce more color for Empreinte 6 key holder. :/
 
Empreinte leather isn’t fine leather like Taurillon. It coated leather. I think with more time the leather become better. At least that how I feel with my 6 key holder.
It was stiff and lack smell of leather when bought. Now the leather feel more softer to touch but still very firm. Honestly it my favorite piece. I would just wish LV produce more color for Empreinte 6 key holder. :/
I've found the same. My PM was quite stiff and now it still has nice structure but has softened just a touch which makes me love it more.
 
I went to take a look at the noir in person again and I must say I was underwhelmed with it. The empreinte was rather flat, it was soft but kind of looked lifeless. I even asked if there were differences in the embossing and the SA said every one is the same because of the machines they use. It was disappointing to say the least, but I do think the Tourturelle color is beautiful and I'd love to see that one in person.
 
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I went to take a look at the noir in person again and I must say I was underwhelmed with it. The empreinte was rather flat, it was soft but kind of looked lifeless. I even asked if there were differences in the embossing and the SA said every one is the same because of the machines they use. It was disappointing to say the least, but I do think the Tourturelle color is beautiful and I'd love to see that one in person.
Yes I have been told the same, but now after seing and feeling several empreinte pieces, I have to say that it varies - alot! Sometimes it doesnt even feel like it’s made from the same “recipe”.
 
This is my main concern with Empreinte. Feels like Michael Kors. Originally, when it came out in 2010, it was a very soft, Taurillon-like leather. Soft, supple, dyed but not treated, and then embossed with the Monogram as a finishing touch.
It was truly luxurious, but easy to damage. Those bags lost shape easily, the embossing faded over time.
And the glazing paint was also problematic during the first years, batches and batches of those Empreinte bags were recalled.
Vuitton listened to the crisicism. And they 'adjusted' the leather. Now it is not just dyed, but receives a very heavy (almost plastic-like) coating. It is way stiffer like that than the original.
When the classic Vuitton embossed leathers get a pattern, they just simply emboss the Taïga or Épi pattern onto a cowhide. That's it. The pattern in itself provides the scratch resistant durability. But it maintans the leather values: if you look close enough, you can still see the pores, and of course, they heavily smells like cowhide.
Well, the new Empreinte is different. It does receive this very heavy coating layer. I even would say that now they emboss the leather-pattern into the coating as well, since the pattern doesn't feel as natural as Taurillon or the old Empreinte. It feels man-made. I don't see the pores (probably the heavy coating again), and whenever I did smell a new Empreinte piece in store, I haven't felt the cowhide smell that I usually do on practically anything else at Vuitton. This way they gain excellent durability, but at what cost?
I believe that there might be some batches that come out less coated and they might smell more like leather, but I haven't seen any of those in years. If any of you love it, don't get offended, but I don't consider Empreinte a luxury leather.
I apologize for posting it here since I have also posted this question in NeoNoe thread but I would really appreciate any input or feedback :flowers:.
I recently got a beautiful Empreinte NeoNoe Noir (gift) and it is an absolutely beautiful bag to look at. I haven’t used it yet and though my initial reaction was I LOVE IT, I was also somewhat taken aback by the overall “thinness” of the leather and lack of reinforcement of its bottom. I think to an extend it’s “thinness” works to its advantage being a soft, lightweight and easy to use shoulder/crossbody bag, but that “saggy” bottom... My Empreinte PM feels so “robust” in comparison (in a good leather-y way, not in a plastic-y way) though I do appreciate it’s a more structured bag. A few years back I had an Empreinter Bagatelle Hobo (had to turn it in due to glazing issues), but it had a feel of a much “thicker” leather. I am debating possibly exchanging it for an Epi NeoNoe (while I still can), but I am not sure how Epi leather would wear on a bag as well as how truly comfortable a more rigid Epi leather would be on a bucket style bag since the only Epi piece in my collection is a now-discontinued agenda PM (so rigidity is a bonus in that case). One of the reasons a canvas NeoNoe was never for me was its’ softness on the bottom and as a result - feeling of “flimsiness“ in comparison to a classic Noe line. I was hoping that Empreinte NeoNoe would be that “middle ground”, but now I am not so sure.
I appreciate everything comes down to a personal preference but any feedback would be greatly appreciated !

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I apologize for posting it here since I have also posted this question in NeoNoe thread but I would really appreciate any input or feedback :flowers:.
I recently got a beautiful Empreinte NeoNoe Noir (gift) and it is an absolutely beautiful bag to look at. I haven’t used it yet and though my initial reaction was I LOVE IT, I was also somewhat taken aback by the overall “thinness” of the leather and lack of reinforcement of its bottom. I think to an extend it’s “thinness” works to its advantage being a soft, lightweight and easy to use shoulder/crossbody bag, but that “saggy” bottom... My Empreinte PM feels so “robust” in comparison (in a good leather-y way, not in a plastic-y way) though I do appreciate it’s a more structured bag. A few years back I had an Empreinter Bagatelle Hobo (had to turn it in due to glazing issues), but it had a feel of a much “thicker” leather. I am debating possibly exchanging it for an Epi NeoNoe (while I still can), but I am not sure how Epi leather would wear on a bag as well as how truly comfortable a more rigid Epi leather would be on a bucket style bag since the only Epi piece in my collection is a now-discontinued agenda PM (so rigidity is a bonus in that case). One of the reasons a canvas NeoNoe was never for me was its’ softness on the bottom and as a result - feeling of “flimsiness“ in comparison to a classic Noe line. I was hoping that Empreinte NeoNoe would be that “middle ground”, but now I am not so sure.
I appreciate everything comes down to a personal preference but any feedback would be greatly appreciated !

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Having seen quite a few distorted canvas Neo Noés on the forum lately, I completely understand your concern. While I still feel that this is the bag of the decade, it is clearly not ideal for heavy loads, especially when not distributed evenly.
If I could wear it, I'd only buy it in Épi. But even then, I would only put small SLGs and maybe a sweater or scarf in it. I do the same with my classic Noé, even though it clearly could withstand more weight. I just don't want to test it. And I see how people carrying around 4-5 pounds of stuff in a Neo Noé ruins the bags.
 
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Having seen quite a few distorted canvas Neo Noés on the forum lately, I completely understand your concern. While I still feel that this is the bag of the decade, it is clearly not ideal for heavy loads, especially when not distributed evenly.
If I could wear it, I'd only buy it in Épi. But even then, I would only put small SLGs and maybe a sweater or scarf in it. I do the same with my classic Noé, even though it clearly could withstand more weight. I just don't want to test it. And I see how people carrying around 4-5 pounds of stuff in a Neo Noé ruins the bags.
Thank you for your feedback - it’s greatly appreciated :hbeat:
 
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I have the exact issue with the Neverfull. I like it when I see it online or on others but for some reason as soon as I see it and trying it in the store I’m like “meh not the bag for me”.
I went to the store on the empreinte launch date thinking this is the time I would buy it and ended up with the OTG instead :panic:
This just happened this week, but opposite. I had the most beautiful GM, Onthego early 2020, stunning but too large for me, so now I have the MM Noir. I love the thick stiff leather and mine still smells like leather. I do not see any slouching on my OTG.

In the last two weeks I have received two neverfull Turtledove, I’m not excited about the leather look , it looks cheep vs. the OTG. So returning second.
 
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