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Did she pay by paypal? By refusing to claim the package, she already voided her buyer protection.
I hope you didn't refund her yet! What you should do is wait for your package to be returned (they return it after 14 days if unclaimed), then only AFTER you received it back refund her minus the postage - you must deduct the $120 shipping from the refund.
And let paypal know about her refusing the packet and her asking you to under-declare the value.

//edit - just as Crow said.
 
This buyer has global balls to begin with.

She had to know she is responsible for VAT/duty.. why would she expect you not to
declare the value on the customs form..

Just hoping your package gets back to you & sorry you have to be subjected to this
 
Did she pay by paypal? By refusing to claim the package, she already voided her buyer protection.
I hope you didn't refund her yet! What you should do is wait for your package to be returned (they return it after 14 days if unclaimed), then only AFTER you received it back refund her minus the postage - you must deduct the $120 shipping from the refund.
And let paypal know about her refusing the packet and her asking you to under-declare the value.

//edit - just as Crow said.
^^^ This!

And call PP before you get the package back to ask them their policy on seller protection in cases where a buyer refuses to pay her import fees. Make sure they put a note on your account so when you receive the item and issue the refund, it'll show why you withheld your shipping costs.

Please post the name of this dishonest and unethical reseller if she also sells on ebay and/or Bonz.
 
When you get the bag back, just refund her less the cost of shipping. Because of the method you used to send it, it will have tracking on it's way back to you, but it will take about a month (or a little more) for it to happen.

I would also take screen shots of the tracking - the tracking will show it sitting in customs, and then once the time there has expired without her picking it up, it will show that she never claimed it.
 
I have not read if there was a case filed. If she opens an ebay case, she may loose, because she voided her ebay buyer protection by failing to pick it up. However, if she opens a paypal claim, paypal will make you refund in full. I know that for a fact. I had two cases like that (Canada and France). I lost postage on both. I called paypal and pleaded with them to just refund the actual purchase price, but to no avail.
I did get paypal to reimburse me for one package ($35), but not for the other one.
If she does open the claim, I hope it is through ebay.
Also, returns like that may take months to come back, depending on the country.
 
I have not read if there was a case filed. If she opens an ebay case, she may loose, because she voided her ebay buyer protection by failing to pick it up. However, if she opens a paypal claim, paypal will make you refund in full. I know that for a fact. I had two cases like that (Canada and France). I lost postage on both. I called paypal and pleaded with them to just refund the actual purchase price, but to no avail.
I did get paypal to reimburse me for one package ($35), but not for the other one.
If she does open the claim, I hope it is through ebay.
Also, returns like that may take months to come back, depending on the country.

The OP stated in the very beginning this is not a eBay transaction.
 
Hello, correct it was not a purchase through ebay. The item wasn't even on ebay. The company is a third party re seller and I believed they were a reputable company.

It's not a purse but a piece of designer jewellery.

I don't want anyone to have the same experience with an expensive item, purses or jewllery etc and know about this forum so that's why I started this thread.

At this stage, I just want to really forget about it and move on and take it as a lesson learnt. If the postal fees were to be reimbursed it would be a good will measure on the buyers behalf but they have refused. Either that or legal action which is far to much of a headache and more money than the $120 I have lost.
 
Missed that.
Well, then if the buyer files the case, it will be through paypal. OP will be out of the entire amount.

If the buyer refused the item the seller won't be forced to return the shipping Fees. As others have suggested call PayPal and let them know in advance. Also when you receive the package back refund the buyer minus the shipping yourself instead of waiting for PayPal as they would be likely to take the whole amount up front and then you would have to file to get it back
 
If the buyer refused the item the seller won't be forced to return the shipping Fees. As others have suggested call PayPal and let them know in advance. Also when you receive the package back refund the buyer minus the shipping yourself instead of waiting for PayPal as they would be likely to take the whole amount up front and then you would have to file to get it back

I will have to respectfully disagree. If the claim is filed, it will be for the entire amount and paypal will not do a "partial" refund.
If it was an ebay claim, it would be as you said, because buyer would have voided a buyer;s protection by refusing the package. Paypal's buyer protection does not have the same terms and neither does paypal's seller protection.

In any case, OP, you may want to call the shipping carrier and request for the package to be returned to you at this point. This may help to get it back faster (hopefully before the buyer files the claim). Otherwise it may take a really long time to get it back and the buyer having only 45 days from the time the payment was made, to open the claim, may not be willing to wait until you get it back. And form what I read, the buyer does not seem like the type that would be willing to wait.
 
Hello, correct it was not a purchase through ebay. The item wasn't even on ebay. The company is a third party re seller and I believed they were a reputable company.

It's not a purse but a piece of designer jewellery.

I don't want anyone to have the same experience with an expensive item, purses or jewllery etc and know about this forum so that's why I started this thread.

At this stage, I just want to really forget about it and move on and take it as a lesson learnt. If the postal fees were to be reimbursed it would be a good will measure on the buyers behalf but they have refused. Either that or legal action which is far to much of a headache and more money than the $120 I have lost.

I may be missing something, but if you shipped them the item, you should have the money they paid you for that item, correct? Why would they have to reimburse you for postal fees incurred? When you receive your item back, you can simply refund them less the $120.00; they don't have to agree to it.
 
No your didn't miss anything you are actually very astute.

They are supposedly a reputable organisation, and the item was payment on delivery. I know I know, I was very naive to think this would go smoothly. This is actually the second item they have purchased off me so I foolishly believed that everything would go smoothly.

This is what they wrote me in regards to my request of a PayPal payment upfront and how that was not possible and as to why I could I trust them with a payment on delivery method....and gosh, how could you accuse us of acting unethically! We are "insert name of company", gosh, the nerve... Shock horror gasp.

"Paypal is not escrow. The funds are not held independently!

In so far as a guarantee it is our offer to you that serves as a guarantee. We are a business not a criminal organisation! We pay within 24 business hours of receipt at our secure Hatton Garden address."

This was their response when VAT was applied:
"> It isn't common to incur charges. I always use methods to
>> minimise/eradicate them by buying insurance from a separate insurer and
>> putting low value on the parcel.
>>
>> I'm afraid that my offer didn't include provision for VAT and import
>> duty. I haven't received a letter yet with any information. When I do I
>> will let you know.
>>
>> If the VAT is too much for you to absorb then I can send the item back to
>> you."

This was their response when I asked them to refund me postage:

"I do believe that I know how the system works too and have legitimately
> saved my customers import duty. I thought that you would do the same.
>
> I have answered many many emails, taking time and consequently money, I do not therefore believe that I have done anything that warrants
> me to pay for services un-rendered.
>
> Your latest email unnerves me slightly. I find the tone slightly
> accusatory."

And her final verdict:

"Not having been previously affected by VAT I priced my offer accordingly.

I will contact the relevant people but I cannot accept liability for any
postage charges"

And finally...

"I'm sorry you feel taken advantage of but I don't really understand the sentiment.

This is not personal, it's just business."

And my original email that apparently sounded accusatory and had her unnerved:

"Dear 'insert organisation',

I've done a lot of research today into international transactions and what incurs VAT charges. It seems that the value of the package has to be extremely low to not incur VAT and that it is considered fraud to write a different value on the package. I feel comfortable knowing that I have done the right thing by customs despite the inconvenience.

Hence my suggestion is, I am happy to cover half of the VAT, this will ensure that the parcel arrives safely and mitigate the cost of the fees for you. Being that the VAT would equate to an item of approximately 600 GBP and essentially you would be receiving a 2500 GBP item with VAT correctly paid, it would be a very good outcome for yourself as well.

I do believe this is a very fair offer and also reduces the risk of the item being delayed or lost on its return trip.

If you are not happy with this resolution, could I please request that customs is notified as soon as possible that you will not be paying VAT on the item so that the item may be returned as quickly as possible. If you do choose to reject the item, I have a request that the postage and handling costs be compensated back to me. The cost of postage was 70 GBP. I am happy for the item to be returned, however this return has resulted because of a lack of understanding of the UKs customs fee policy and as a buyer, I do believe there is a responsibility to understand your own custom fees in advance of making an offer.

I look forward to hearing from you,"
 
I'd love this business's name so I can avoid doing business with them! They lack morals and ethics and there are enough honest businesses to choose from!
 
I would consider reporting this company to customs for trying to avoid the VAT, chances are you are not the first person that this company has tried to stick it to and you likely wouldn't be the last. Avoiding customs fees is a huge offense in Canada, I'm sure it's likely the same in the UK
No your didn't miss anything you are actually very astute.

They are supposedly a reputable organisation, and the item was payment on delivery. I know I know, I was very naive to think this would go smoothly. This is actually the second item they have purchased off me so I foolishly believed that everything would go smoothly.

This is what they wrote me in regards to my request of a PayPal payment upfront and how that was not possible and as to why I could I trust them with a payment on delivery method....and gosh, how could you accuse us of acting unethically! We are "insert name of company", gosh, the nerve... Shock horror gasp.

"Paypal is not escrow. The funds are not held independently!

In so far as a guarantee it is our offer to you that serves as a guarantee. We are a business not a criminal organisation! We pay within 24 business hours of receipt at our secure Hatton Garden address."

This was their response when VAT was applied:
"> It isn't common to incur charges. I always use methods to
>> minimise/eradicate them by buying insurance from a separate insurer and
>> putting low value on the parcel.
>>
>> I'm afraid that my offer didn't include provision for VAT and import
>> duty. I haven't received a letter yet with any information. When I do I
>> will let you know.
>>
>> If the VAT is too much for you to absorb then I can send the item back to
>> you."

This was their response when I asked them to refund me postage:

"I do believe that I know how the system works too and have legitimately
> saved my customers import duty. I thought that you would do the same.
>
> I have answered many many emails, taking time and consequently money, I do not therefore believe that I have done anything that warrants
> me to pay for services un-rendered.
>
> Your latest email unnerves me slightly. I find the tone slightly
> accusatory."

And her final verdict:

"Not having been previously affected by VAT I priced my offer accordingly.

I will contact the relevant people but I cannot accept liability for any
postage charges"

And finally...

"I'm sorry you feel taken advantage of but I don't really understand the sentiment.

This is not personal, it's just business."

And my original email that apparently sounded accusatory and had her unnerved:

"Dear 'insert organisation',

I've done a lot of research today into international transactions and what incurs VAT charges. It seems that the value of the package has to be extremely low to not incur VAT and that it is considered fraud to write a different value on the package. I feel comfortable knowing that I have done the right thing by customs despite the inconvenience.

Hence my suggestion is, I am happy to cover half of the VAT, this will ensure that the parcel arrives safely and mitigate the cost of the fees for you. Being that the VAT would equate to an item of approximately 600 GBP and essentially you would be receiving a 2500 GBP item with VAT correctly paid, it would be a very good outcome for yourself as well.

I do believe this is a very fair offer and also reduces the risk of the item being delayed or lost on its return trip.

If you are not happy with this resolution, could I please request that customs is notified as soon as possible that you will not be paying VAT on the item so that the item may be returned as quickly as possible. If you do choose to reject the item, I have a request that the postage and handling costs be compensated back to me. The cost of postage was 70 GBP. I am happy for the item to be returned, however this return has resulted because of a lack of understanding of the UKs customs fee policy and as a buyer, I do believe there is a responsibility to understand your own custom fees in advance of making an offer.

I look forward to hearing from you,"
 
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