Oh Okay that is probably where I picked up the terminology ... Do you know if the soft patent (non textured) version wears better or worse than the textured one? I have an opportunity to pick up a very gently used excellent condition Ramona in the textured patent (I think it's called crushed patent) or should I go for the soft patent? Also does anyone know if the quality of the outlet bags are different? If I go soft patent I can get a new outlet version for about $700+ less than the pne currewty sold in Nordstroms.... Either way it's a large purchase i have it narrowed to these 3 bags but don't know which to choose ....
... I have seen some used crushed patent ones and it seems like they chip / flake could just be how it's being taken care of though I really like the look of the soft patent but I do not want to buy a new soft patent if it's going to show wear right away or if I have to really baby it like my saba.... I'm leaning toward the outlet one in soft or the gently used crushed now since you say thr outlet is same quality makes no sense to spend $700+ more to buy from Nordy 
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