Hi guys,
I'm currently only one week post-op, and I hope to continue updating everyone as time goes on.
Before everything
I was really concerned about all the well-known problems of facial contouring - sagging, nerve damage, foreign materials in the face, etc. But I still really wanted the result of a V-line, so I consulted with Dr Lee last summer when I was in Seoul to do other procedures.
The pictures on TFD aren't photoshopped, and you can definitely tell. People who have had their square jaw angle removed definitely had a weak jawline. I think a lot of clinics photoshop their pictures and you can tell when someone gets a ton of bone removed, but somehow has no sagging/weaker jawline at all. Where does all the tissue go?
This is a picture of square angle reduction B/A from the Face Dental. See how now she has excess tissue underneath her bone? Not really getting the small face effect right?
I also saw Sunnydahye's plastic surgery journey and I wasn't too impressed by her V-line results either, as I personally felt that she didn't have a nice side profile. But then she uploaded another video months later of her getting facial liposuction, and I thought she looked good after that.
So I mentally prepared myself for the possibility of getting facial liposuction - something that I wasn't against, as I felt that I needed facial lipo to get a tighter jawline anyway. I posted these photos on realself and all the doctors said I was a candidate for facial lipo. Note that these photos are all before v-line, and I actually had a small jawbone but excess fat/tissue hiding it.
In the photo on the left, that's me normally (photo taken at eye level). On the right, my finger is showing where my jawbone actually is.
Because of this, I felt that V-line was actually a possibility for me, so I consulted with Dr Lee.
Why did I choose Face Dental?
It seems people tend to gravitate towards types of clinics - some people like the big ones that take up an entire building, where you can basically do your whole face/body/skin there. For me, I prefer smaller clinics that are exclusively dedicated to one area, as I felt that such a clinic would have more experience doing jaw surgery. I know now there are names like EU dental and Zeah dental floating around on PF, but last year they weren't really on anyone's radar. So I didn't consult with them.
I also liked that they had an in-house anesthesiologist.
Later, I found out (like a few days before my surgery) that Dr Lee was formerly one of the directors of ID hospital, which was a big factor for other people choosing them.
First consultation
My first consultation (remember, it was a year before I did my actual procedure) wasn’t the most useful because I didn’t do much research and didn’t really have much idea about my concerns. I knew that I wanted to make my chin smaller and asked for mini v-line (which is basically shaving down the chin only). Dr Lee advised against this, saying that after the chin was smaller, there rest of the jaw wouldn’t be proportional anymore, and instead suggested V-line. The conversation then turned towards my concerns about V-line, which were basically sagging, nerve damage, etc.
For sagging, he said that the patient always has to be realistic. There will likely be some sort of sagging to an extent. But since I was young, I shouldn’t have any sagging at all. That didn’t fully alleviate my concerns because I wanted a tight af jawline (like Ariana Grande who is ultimate face shape goals).
For nerve damage, he said that the main nerve would always be avoided. However, doing surgery in the area and the resulting swollen tissue will always affect the smaller nerves that branch off the main nerve, which is why patients may experience numbness or difficulty speaking/making expressions for the first few months after surgery. These issues should be minor, he said, and the speaking/expressions issues is more like not being able to enunciate certain words as clearly as you used to, and not like full on not being able to talk properly.
Prior to meeting him, I did a CT scan (which I had to pay for, I can’t remember how much though… like 20k won? It wasn’t too expensive) which Dr Lee referenced throughout the consult. He told me I had nerves lower than normal which means he can’t remove as much bone, which was okay with me since I didn’t want that much bone removed anyway. I was concerned, however, that my nerves being lower would increase the chances of me getting nerve damage, making the need for a very skilled doctor even greater.
All in all, I was impressed by the consult. I thought Dr Lee was very nice, informative and honest about the side effects of such a major surgery. I also found the clinic very high-tech and clean looking.
Making the decision to do V-line
During the months after, I became more and more aware of my large chin and asymmetric jaw. I felt like I didn’t look as good from a front-on view for that reason. So I decided to go ahead with the surgery. I kept going back and forth between only doing jaw liposuction versus V-line, but after a while I realised that as long as I didn’t do V-line, I would always be slightly dissatisfied with my face, knowing there was something I could improve. I felt like this was the final procedure that would make me as pretty as I wanted to be.
My aesthetic concerns and expectations
So I kept telling the dr that I wanted a natural shape and not to make my chin too V. I also asked him to remove very little from my jawbone since my jawbone was already small.
My inspo pictures
The page on the left where results I didn't want (I think they're pretty, just such a face shape won't suit me). Page on the right are the results I wanted. I unfortunately didn't print out the pictures, but I highly recommend that you print your photos out.
I photoshopped my own pictures (excuse the yellow boxes. I'm so paranoid of people I know finding out I've done ps I try to hide my clothes too lmao):
Left is before, right is after
Notice how one side of the jaw is bigger than the other in the below photo.. :/
Second consultation
I was much more prepared for my second consultation. I talked about how I wanted Dr Lee to be conservative and to always err on the side of removing less than more.
We mainly talked about the specifics of what he would do:
- T-osteomy to make my chin more V, but I asked him to keep my chin length
- Cutting of the jaw bones, with more being removed on my left side which is the bigger side
- Additional resection using some sort of electrical grinding(?) at the mandible area on the left side to make it even smaller
- Botox on massmeter muscles
- Botox on chin muscles (specifically, the depressor labii inferioris muscle which was responsible for my large chin when I smiled due to it tensing too much)
- Grinding away of the horned projections on my chin that caused it to have that rectangular shape
I wish I took a photo of the scan at a better angle to show off the projections, but you can kinda see them in the red circle (the green lines were drawn by the Dr, that's how much jawbone he suggested to remove).
I mentioned that I didn't want to do botox because the results would wear off after a few months. I also read that botox was particularly complicated when used on the chin, since there are a number of small chin muscles very close together, it is easy to inject the botox into the wrong muscle. With each muscle being used for a very specific purpose, a wrong move can cause you to speak weirdly or smile weirdly for months. It is also possible, due to the small margin of error, for the botox to spread to other chin muscles, creating the same side effect. In response, he suggested the electrical cutting of the muscles which would be permanent instead. I did a lot of googling after the consultation but I couldn't find any information on this procedure at all, despite Dr Lee saying he had done this for over 10 years. Although I trusted Dr Lee, I didn't feel comfortable with this specific procedure. So I decided to go with the botox instead - I figured despite the downsides, at least it was temporary.
After seeing him, a nurse took my blood for blood tests. We had previously arranged on Kakao that my surgery would be 2 days later (I asked for a next day surgery but they weren't available).
I think the consultation went very smoothly and I was happy. However there was one hiccup - on Kakao when I asked, they said I didn't need to place a deposit on that day. But then after the consultation, the head consultant told me I needed to give a deposit of 200k won. I didn't have that amount on me and I had to hurry to Myeongdong immediately after to exchange the money and return to the clinic before they closed. That was quite annoying. However, I think this may be due to the fact that most of the Kakao communications is with Dr Lee directly, and up till recently they didn't have a policy of deposits. So perhaps he wasn't up to date on this matter? But that's okay because that's not his job lol.
I'm currently only one week post-op, and I hope to continue updating everyone as time goes on.
Before everything
I was really concerned about all the well-known problems of facial contouring - sagging, nerve damage, foreign materials in the face, etc. But I still really wanted the result of a V-line, so I consulted with Dr Lee last summer when I was in Seoul to do other procedures.
The pictures on TFD aren't photoshopped, and you can definitely tell. People who have had their square jaw angle removed definitely had a weak jawline. I think a lot of clinics photoshop their pictures and you can tell when someone gets a ton of bone removed, but somehow has no sagging/weaker jawline at all. Where does all the tissue go?
This is a picture of square angle reduction B/A from the Face Dental. See how now she has excess tissue underneath her bone? Not really getting the small face effect right?
I also saw Sunnydahye's plastic surgery journey and I wasn't too impressed by her V-line results either, as I personally felt that she didn't have a nice side profile. But then she uploaded another video months later of her getting facial liposuction, and I thought she looked good after that.
So I mentally prepared myself for the possibility of getting facial liposuction - something that I wasn't against, as I felt that I needed facial lipo to get a tighter jawline anyway. I posted these photos on realself and all the doctors said I was a candidate for facial lipo. Note that these photos are all before v-line, and I actually had a small jawbone but excess fat/tissue hiding it.
In the photo on the left, that's me normally (photo taken at eye level). On the right, my finger is showing where my jawbone actually is.
Because of this, I felt that V-line was actually a possibility for me, so I consulted with Dr Lee.
Why did I choose Face Dental?
It seems people tend to gravitate towards types of clinics - some people like the big ones that take up an entire building, where you can basically do your whole face/body/skin there. For me, I prefer smaller clinics that are exclusively dedicated to one area, as I felt that such a clinic would have more experience doing jaw surgery. I know now there are names like EU dental and Zeah dental floating around on PF, but last year they weren't really on anyone's radar. So I didn't consult with them.
I also liked that they had an in-house anesthesiologist.
Later, I found out (like a few days before my surgery) that Dr Lee was formerly one of the directors of ID hospital, which was a big factor for other people choosing them.
First consultation
My first consultation (remember, it was a year before I did my actual procedure) wasn’t the most useful because I didn’t do much research and didn’t really have much idea about my concerns. I knew that I wanted to make my chin smaller and asked for mini v-line (which is basically shaving down the chin only). Dr Lee advised against this, saying that after the chin was smaller, there rest of the jaw wouldn’t be proportional anymore, and instead suggested V-line. The conversation then turned towards my concerns about V-line, which were basically sagging, nerve damage, etc.
For sagging, he said that the patient always has to be realistic. There will likely be some sort of sagging to an extent. But since I was young, I shouldn’t have any sagging at all. That didn’t fully alleviate my concerns because I wanted a tight af jawline (like Ariana Grande who is ultimate face shape goals).
For nerve damage, he said that the main nerve would always be avoided. However, doing surgery in the area and the resulting swollen tissue will always affect the smaller nerves that branch off the main nerve, which is why patients may experience numbness or difficulty speaking/making expressions for the first few months after surgery. These issues should be minor, he said, and the speaking/expressions issues is more like not being able to enunciate certain words as clearly as you used to, and not like full on not being able to talk properly.
Prior to meeting him, I did a CT scan (which I had to pay for, I can’t remember how much though… like 20k won? It wasn’t too expensive) which Dr Lee referenced throughout the consult. He told me I had nerves lower than normal which means he can’t remove as much bone, which was okay with me since I didn’t want that much bone removed anyway. I was concerned, however, that my nerves being lower would increase the chances of me getting nerve damage, making the need for a very skilled doctor even greater.
All in all, I was impressed by the consult. I thought Dr Lee was very nice, informative and honest about the side effects of such a major surgery. I also found the clinic very high-tech and clean looking.
Making the decision to do V-line
During the months after, I became more and more aware of my large chin and asymmetric jaw. I felt like I didn’t look as good from a front-on view for that reason. So I decided to go ahead with the surgery. I kept going back and forth between only doing jaw liposuction versus V-line, but after a while I realised that as long as I didn’t do V-line, I would always be slightly dissatisfied with my face, knowing there was something I could improve. I felt like this was the final procedure that would make me as pretty as I wanted to be.
My aesthetic concerns and expectations
- Large chin, especially when smiling due to the muscles tensing
- Non-smooth face line
- Heavy jaw from side profile
So I kept telling the dr that I wanted a natural shape and not to make my chin too V. I also asked him to remove very little from my jawbone since my jawbone was already small.
My inspo pictures
The page on the left where results I didn't want (I think they're pretty, just such a face shape won't suit me). Page on the right are the results I wanted. I unfortunately didn't print out the pictures, but I highly recommend that you print your photos out.
I photoshopped my own pictures (excuse the yellow boxes. I'm so paranoid of people I know finding out I've done ps I try to hide my clothes too lmao):
Left is before, right is after
Notice how one side of the jaw is bigger than the other in the below photo.. :/
Second consultation
I was much more prepared for my second consultation. I talked about how I wanted Dr Lee to be conservative and to always err on the side of removing less than more.
We mainly talked about the specifics of what he would do:
- T-osteomy to make my chin more V, but I asked him to keep my chin length
- Cutting of the jaw bones, with more being removed on my left side which is the bigger side
- Additional resection using some sort of electrical grinding(?) at the mandible area on the left side to make it even smaller
- Botox on massmeter muscles
- Botox on chin muscles (specifically, the depressor labii inferioris muscle which was responsible for my large chin when I smiled due to it tensing too much)
- Grinding away of the horned projections on my chin that caused it to have that rectangular shape
I wish I took a photo of the scan at a better angle to show off the projections, but you can kinda see them in the red circle (the green lines were drawn by the Dr, that's how much jawbone he suggested to remove).
I mentioned that I didn't want to do botox because the results would wear off after a few months. I also read that botox was particularly complicated when used on the chin, since there are a number of small chin muscles very close together, it is easy to inject the botox into the wrong muscle. With each muscle being used for a very specific purpose, a wrong move can cause you to speak weirdly or smile weirdly for months. It is also possible, due to the small margin of error, for the botox to spread to other chin muscles, creating the same side effect. In response, he suggested the electrical cutting of the muscles which would be permanent instead. I did a lot of googling after the consultation but I couldn't find any information on this procedure at all, despite Dr Lee saying he had done this for over 10 years. Although I trusted Dr Lee, I didn't feel comfortable with this specific procedure. So I decided to go with the botox instead - I figured despite the downsides, at least it was temporary.
After seeing him, a nurse took my blood for blood tests. We had previously arranged on Kakao that my surgery would be 2 days later (I asked for a next day surgery but they weren't available).
I think the consultation went very smoothly and I was happy. However there was one hiccup - on Kakao when I asked, they said I didn't need to place a deposit on that day. But then after the consultation, the head consultant told me I needed to give a deposit of 200k won. I didn't have that amount on me and I had to hurry to Myeongdong immediately after to exchange the money and return to the clinic before they closed. That was quite annoying. However, I think this may be due to the fact that most of the Kakao communications is with Dr Lee directly, and up till recently they didn't have a policy of deposits. So perhaps he wasn't up to date on this matter? But that's okay because that's not his job lol.
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