My professor told me Chanel bags are all made in China but assembled in Europe?

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Made in China: luxury or liability?

By Emily Ford
Shanghai Daily, June 15, 2012

On the vast glossy billboards advertising Ermenegildo Zegna's suits in Shanghai, there is no mention of it. In the Prada handbags on sale in the boutique nearby, only a small label buried inside the lining gives any clue.

Both are made in China, but you'd be forgiven for not realizing it. Brands are still extremely reluctant to advertise the fact. After all, the ingrained belief that "made in China" is thoroughly incompatible with high quality is so enduring it even prompts local retailers to pretend their clothes come from Europe.

Yet this may change as more and more luxury brands move their production to China. Nissan said last month that its luxury Infiniti division would start making the exclusive cars in Hebei Province from 2014. Coach has been making its handbags in China for years, and chief executive Lew Frankfort swears there is no difference in the quality of bags produced by its European rivals - only in margins.

As more retailers follow suit, the lingering image of China as the home of low-end, cheaply made toys and clothes is gradually being replaced by a more nuanced picture.

"Not all brands like to shout about it," says Jeffrey Tan, China research director at Starcom MediaVest, a luxury research group. "While the quality can be just as good, it is a bit of a gamble from a brand perspective. Production quality has really come a long way. Apple's products are made in China and no one is complaining."

Lower costs

The reasons for manufacturing expensive, top brand products in China are persuasive. As factories "move up the value chain," a pool of increasingly skilled workers is created. Despite rising wages and commodity prices, the cost of making a crocodile-skin handbag in Zhengzhou is still vastly lower than employing artisans in Tuscany, and the results are often indistinguishable.

Keeping production local helps companies to contend with a strong yuan by reducing costs of ferrying goods from place to place. Crucially, when the market is such a huge force in your sales figures - Chinese people bought US$15.6 billion of luxury goods in 2011 - it makes good sense to move production near your customers.

As Shaun Rein of Shanghai-based China Market Research Group argues in his book "The End of Cheap China," the country is no longer cheap compared with Vietnam or Indonesia. But its skilled workers, infrastructure and proximity to the domestic market give it manufacturing advantages over Europe.

"Unless Italy can modernize its production facilities or convince consumers to pay even higher prices for items put together by Italian master craftspeople, brands like Zegna will shift more production to China as they have been steadily doing," Mr Rein writes.

Risks lurking

Despite the advantages, however, risks lurk. Chinese labor costs are rising at double-digit rates. Worries about fakes persist. Once a brand is in the marketplace, it can be difficult to prevent some unscrupulous factory down the road from making knock-offs. And quality control is a concern for luxury groups: a product pitched at the top end of craftsmanship can be damaged if there is any hint that shortcuts are being taken.

Perhaps the big question is whether the luxury brands' prized "brand heritage" based on the maisons of France or Europe is damaged by a move to China.

In February, Chateau Lafite said it was beginning production in China's southwestern province of Yunnan, where the terrain is prime for wine growing as French vineyards run out of land and China emerges as one of the biggest wine market in the world.

"I'm not sure from a marketing point of view whether this is a good move," says Dr Chiang Jeongwen, a marketing professor at the China-Europe International Business School. "Chinese people are known to differentiate between imported and locally made. It could dilute the brand image and result in two-tier pricing."

Much depends on the brand itself, said Thomson Cheng, the managing director of Hong Kong-based Imaginex, a major distributor for retail and luxury brands, including Ferragamo, in China.

While LVMH is beginning work on a sparkling wine in Yunnan for much the same reasons as Chateau Lafite, analysts say it would be brand suicide to take its Louis Vuitton label out of its native France, for example - where the emphasis on its handcrafted native products has seen workshops opened up as working museums. Brunello Cucinelli, the Italian maker of cashmere jumpers which sell for thousands of euros, has said that his sweaters could never be made outside of the Perugian hills.

"There is a definite trend for luxury goods companies to begin making their products in China," Mr Cheng said. "For some, heritage is not where they make their products, and it makes no difference in consumers' minds if it is made in China or not. But for others, such as Louis Vuitton or Ferragamo, it would be difficult to imagine it being made outside of its country of origin. Coming to China ... is not for the faint-hearted company."

Perhaps the way for luxury brands to lessen the perceived stigma is simply to be more open about where they make their goods. After all, many prospective customers already think the luxury products they covet are made in China. For Nicole Li, a twenty-five-year-old Chinese worker in a state-owned company in Shanghai, it makes little difference. "I just assumed that Louis Vuitton handbags were made here," she said.

http://www.china.org.cn/opinion/2012-06/15/content_25654273.htm
 
To say today was a crappy day at school in an understatement. Anyway I am a fashion merchandising major and today there was a discussion about Chanel. I pride myself in all the Chanel knowledge I have learned from The Purse Forum throughout the years. I also own quite a "modest" Chanel collection (two more reveals coming this week). She went on a about how China is taking over the luxury sector including Chanel. When I said I doubt Chanel will move it's production away from Europe to China, she said "Sweetheart it already has, all the pieces come from China, they just assemble it in Italy." I was floored for a FASHION professor to be so ignorant, but I kept my cool and decided to ask you ladies if theres is any truth to this.

OP, this thread generated an interesting discussion, but there are still questions to be addressed. Could you ask your fashion professor to share with you the information that supports her statement? If you tell her that Chanel is a brand that you have been particularly interested and that you have been thinking about what she said, she will see it as genuine interest and not as confrontation. She can guide you on the search for such information, which is part of her job. And of course, please share with us the information. :smile1:
 
I will ask her next week when I am back in class.
OP, this thread generated an interesting discussion, but there are still questions to be addressed. Could you ask your fashion professor to share with you the information that supports her statement? If you tell her that Chanel is a brand that you have been particularly interested and that you have been thinking about what she said, she will see it as genuine interest and not as confrontation. She can guide you on the search for such information, which is part of her job. And of course, please share with us the information. :smile1:
 
first of i wanna say i'm biased and this is prob off topic...
but my question is: why is made in china such a horrible thing?
I understand the effect from the stuff sold in walmart; they're cheap and fall apart fast most of the times
but one should know that's the quality control problem with the company
in terms of the declining quality from chanel,
if the brand chose to compromise quality for low cost
why do the suppliers get the blame?
there are skilled workers in china as well as in other parts of the world,
it all depends on whether the company are willing to pay for these skills
I just felt it's unfair to label china's entire manufacturing industry as cheap and crappy just because a few companies have chosen the inferior products.
 
This is more about not being honest and transparent IMO. If they sell items advertised as Made in Italy or France then they shouldn't be mostly made in China. or Turkey. or Fiji. KWIM?
 
that i agree. if the company has truly partnered up with the best suppliers as they claimed, they should have no problem disclosing it.

Agreed. But they wont admit China because people would stop buying as we are all used to "made in China" being inferior products. That is not fair I know as I am sure there are wonderful craftspeople there, but it is how it is perceived unfortunately.
I know I would not want to buy any more bags if it was shown as Made in China.

To be honest - the Chanel Jewellery - (please dont hate me ladies...) but I feel that looks cheap overall - (I am referring to costume not fine jewellery) and I read how stones fall out etc - and for the prices I will never buy any of it, I would rather walk into Tiffanys and put that same amount of money on a Tiffany piece

I often wonder where the Chanel costume jewellery is made?
 
I wanted to bring up this again since I feel like the response chanel made has been buried in the posts. They responded with:
"Chanel has always abided by the principle of sourcing raw materials, technology and craftsmanship from wherever they are reputed to be the best in the world (yarn or leather from Italy and France, cashmere from Scotland and watch-making skills in Switzerland), the prêt-a-porter and leather goods being made exclusively in Europe. "

Tutu I agree they are not being transparent about a lot of things in terms of the cosmetics, CJ and other items. I wouldn't include slg's in this since their response said leather goods are made exclusively in Europe and even though a slg is small it is still a leather good. If we just focus this discussion on bags which is where the subject line started I think they are being transparent that the leather is from Italy or France and the bags are made in Europe. Would it bother me to know a Turnlock hardware or chain that is on my bag was made in China? No it does not personally bother me. Would it bother me if my bag was mainly assembled in China and had the finishing touches added in Italy so it bears a made in Italy stamp as so many people are alleging? Yes it would. I think that is not the case with *bags* though since they are very clear on that point.
Here's the problem with that response: it may fall within the legal definition of "Made in Europe" ie, the leather goods might be finished in Europe but sourced elsewhere as is the strategy with other brands who are twisting and scraping to qualify for the "Made in Italy" label. The answer basically says nothing and gets us no closer to the truth of the matter.

I agree with Chanbal, though, about asking this professor for the source of her intel. Does she actually have any specific insight or is she just repeating the same rumors that we're hearing here?
 
response chanel made has been buried in the posts. They responded with:
"Chanel has always abided by the principle of sourcing raw materials, technology and craftsmanship from wherever they are reputed to be the best in the world (yarn or leather from Italy and France, cashmere from Scotland and watch-making skills in Switzerland), the prêt-a-porter and leather goods being made exclusively in Europe. "
So where is the best leather, the best snake, the best gators, the best calligraphy (oh yes, they mentioned that it was China therefore makeup brushes which I have no idea of this connection...too much koolaid), etc. from? So if they source it, is the definition of "sourcing" clear to most people?

noun, Economics
1.
the buying of components of a product from an outside supplier, often one located abroad:

Foreign sourcing in the auto industry has eliminated jobs.

noun
1.
any thing or place from which something comes, arises, or is obtained; origin:
Which foods are sources of calcium?
2.
the beginning or place of origin of a stream or river.
3.
a book, statement, person, etc., supplying information.
4.
the person or business making interest or dividend payments.
5.
a manufacturer or supplier.
6.
Archaic. a natural spring or fountain.
verb (used with object), sourced, sourcing.
7.
to give or trace the source for:
The research paper was not accurately sourced. The statement was sourced to the secretary of state.
8.
to find or acquire a source, especially a supplier, for:
Some of the components are now sourced in Hong Kong.
verb (used without object), sourced, sourcing.
9.
to contract a manufacturer or supplier:
Many large companies are now sourcing overseas.
 
Here's the problem with that response: it may fall within the legal definition of "Made in Europe" ie, the leather goods might be finished in Europe but sourced elsewhere as is the strategy with other brands who are twisting and scraping to qualify for the "Made in Italy" label. The answer basically says nothing and gets us no closer to the truth of the matter.

I agree with Chanbal, though, about asking this professor for the source of her intel. Does she actually have any specific insight or is she just repeating the same rumors that we're hearing here?

The response did not say made in Europe though they said "leather goods being made exclusively in Europe". Isn't exclusively essentially meaning solely, only, completely, wholly? That is how I took this statement.
 
I think Chanel has gradually let off their quality standards for one reason: they can.


Once upon a time, luxury goods like Chanel handbags and RTW were the exclusive province of the affluent and outright wealthy. These people spent plenty but had high standards: a sweater, bag or pair of shoes was expected to last. They stocked a wardrobe, not an exhibition, and very few were purchasing multiple flaps in a single shot.


Likewise, when Hermes created the Birkin for its namesake, the notion that a customer might collect dozens in myriad colors, leathers, and sizes would've been considered insane. Once you bought one in your preferred color and size, why would you need another unless the older one wore out? It's Hermes, you only need the one.


Today, fashion houses have become little more than bling purveyors. The top 10% buy for the sake of it, to have the latest and newest, and to show off. When a woman has 100 bags, who needs quality? She won't use any of them enough to notice or care. The brand value matters more than the actual object, and our attitudes toward consumption today reflect this in every way.


Designer bags are no longer little everyday luxuries that make our lives a little happier. They are a massive "collection", an assortment to be maintained and displayed like badge of our material success. In the end, Chanel is merely playing an existing zeitgeist to its profit, not creating it.
 
So now it's made in Europe and not specifically France or Italy? Why not say France or Italy, since all of Chanel's bags are produced in either one of the two countries? I would assume that Chanel would be so proud to say, "Yes, most of our prized merchandised is either produced in France or Italy." I noticed that other premier designers like Burberry are outsourcing their production of clothes, accessories and bags to eastern European countries like Romania. Let's say Chanel isn't outsourcing to China, but they're main production factory is in eastern europe and the final assembly line in France or Italy so they can get the "made in France/Italy" emblem. That way, Chanel can still say that their bags, by definition, are solely made in Europe, just not which parts. Would you still be able to justify a $5-6,000 handbag that is made in eastern Europe? I wouldn't!
 
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