My professor told me Chanel bags are all made in China but assembled in Europe?

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KimTX said:
My new Damier Compact Zippy is wonky from LV. It's not a smooth zip, it catches on one of the corners. I!
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This happened to my daughters too we both brought a Compact Zippy - mine in Mono and her in DE Azur.
My zipper worked like silk from the start and never has missed a beat.
She did not use her Zippy much but after a few months she started to use it more and said the zipper was not smooth like mine. By then the wallet was 12 months old. We took it in to LV and they serviced it for free - it was gone for only a week or so - so if you take yours in, they will likely fix it for you too.
Hers is now like silk and perfect too.
 
#377
Honestly, I feel that's definitely a possibility.... in the past 5 years of the extreme price increases we've also seen quite an increase in styles and available pieces. Production went up tremendously in my opinion. I actually loved it when it was near impossible to find a re-issue, now I see them every time I walk into a store.... Something is definitely fishy to me.
 
#378
HADASSA said:
I have noticed that since she has been promoting her own brand, she hardly ever uses the others (Hermes, Chanel, etc.). But every designer coming into this business must want to maximize profits so she must know some secrets if only for that reason.

There was an article a while back on Dailymail.com about the cost of producing her dresses, where and the exhorbitant mark-up when it hits the stores. Of course no one will confirm the story but there might be some truth. Sadly, this is not limited to any particular designer. We just need to be in the know and make our choices accordingly ;)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...End-factory-Posh-frocks-stars-snap-1-500.html
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A dress that costs £60 just to make PLUS the cost of fabric- would sell for what Victorias line sells for - at least. That is actually high quality items, lots of costs to absorb, fashion shows, other designs that never go into production, logistics, marketing etc. made in England means higher costs, taxes, minimum wages at the very least. No one has to buy those clothes, or CHANEL for that matter (which are not made in china :D despite the comments on this thread which are ALL speculation). There are plenty of ethical design alternatives, that would still be expensive but more of the cost would be for 'making' the clothes. One may also find really cheap 'made in china' clothes from the discounters- where they don't worry about minimum wage, fair trade, etc and most of the designs are stolen or copied without permission, and fabric is poor quality.:cool: so for anyone who feels hard done by the big designers lots of alternatives....
 
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#379
Lola24 said:
Honestly, I feel that's definitely a possibility.... in the past 5 years of the extreme price increases we've also seen quite an increase in styles and available pieces. Production went up tremendously in my opinion. I actually loved it when it was near impossible to find a re-issue, now I see them every time I walk into a store.... Something is definitely fishy to me.
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I agree, I remember when the re-issue was re-introduced in 2005, I had a hard time finding one.
 
#380
Dee. said:
Not all goods made in developing nations are inferior in quality or made in inhumane conditions. You can definitely find high quality handmade goods in these nations, its just hard and you have to be willing to pay more for it. Sadly, we all know that majority of goods are not like this. I wouldn't be surprised if Chanel outsourced their labour and materials, and/or are using unskilled illegal labourers. Even though Chanel touts quality, their goods show otherwise.

For years I was convinced that Chanel was one of the top brands for quality, but after TPF and my mom's experience I am not sure anymore.
My mom purchased a black patent jumbo flap a few months ago and it sucks to say but it does not look like a $6000 bag. The one that the SA was going to sell us had loose stitches, dents, and seemed very "floppy". So my mom obviously asked for one from the back and what it was kept in really surprised me. The bag was wrapped in a cheap plastic bag covered in tape, then put into another cheap black porous fabric bag. Once unwrapped this bag was no winner either but it looked better than the first one. My mom decided to get it anyway just to cross it off her wishlist. Don't get me wrong it's a beautiful bag but it does not look as high quality and as luxurious as the older editions do. It's strangely stiff, the quilting isn't puffy, and there are creases and dents everywhere. My moms jumbo does not look as good as my family friends jumbo and it's the same style and leather, just different years.
My mom and I are not crazy perfectionists or anything, but we expected better for such a hefty price.
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Wow. That's not good! I think you would be hard-pressed to get me to pay 6k for something I was that unimpressed with, wish list or no. :(
 
#381
KimTX said:
This has been a timely thread for me! I had been browsing pre-owned flaps, considering buying new, or a new GST...just undecided and thinking. I had a brown flap in my wish list on the yoogis site, all the while reading this thread over the last few days. Then, yoogies added another 15% off sale items, and it was another $300 off. I bought it! It's a '89-'90 bag and in gently used condition, about 1/5 of a new one, and has that really shiny gold hardware. I think I read on this thread that from that time frame, it was gold plated? I think a brown flap is a little different, which I like, and will go nicely in my wardrobe. I love my gold Hermes Evelyn, and I already have a black Medallion and black WOC, so another brown seemed perfect.

Regardless of where it's made, I do have to say, quality across the board seems to be declining my experience. So, I think my new hobby is vintage shopping! I sold a brand new LV Metis Pochette due to lame quality, but my 20 year old Epi Noe is fantastic! I have a 1980's garden party that I love. But, I do have to say, I bought my Evelyn brand new from a boutique and I have no complaints. Well, actually, now that I think of it, the strap latch sometimes comes undone it's fallen off my body. Oh, well, I do love that bag! That said, I think I'm done buying new bags at full price. I mean, look at this beauty!
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Good for you! :) The bag is beautiful! I did the same thing, got a bag in excellent condition, and the craftsmanship is lovely.
 
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Ladysarah, I am a regular reader of your blog and you are all for ethical choices which I applaud. And so are we when we speak of luxury goods (whole or in part) being outsourced in countries where we know there are UNETHICAL work practices.

We have been responding to the original message of the thread and I don't know for certain and unless you have some insider info that we are unaware of that Chanel does not outsource to China, India, or any other country, please do enlighten us.

I do not pretend to know everything but I do know when quality is going down and I personally have that choice not to buy. I am in no way saying that I want to buy cheap clothes but I hope when I do spend on expensive clothes, they are being made where they say they are and under conditions that I can be comfortable with.

My quote reply is not working and I think that is a sign for me that enough has been said about this topic (on my part anyway). It seems that what Tutu and I have tried very hard to convey, we have been misunderstood, which is no more paying high prices for low quality items that may (or may not) be outsourced. We have not imposed our views on anyone but for the sake of healthy discussion have just stated how we feel personally.
 
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#383
HADASSA said:
Ladysarah, I am a regular reader of your blog and you are all for ethical choices which I applaud. And so are we when we speak of luxury goods (whole or in part) being outsourced in countries where we know there are UNETHICAL work practices.

We have been responding to the original message of the thread and I don't know for certain and unless you have some insider info that we are unaware of that Chanel does not outsource to China, India, or any other country, please do enlighten us.

I do not pretend to know everything but I do know when quality is going down and I personally have that choice not to buy. I am in no way saying that I want to buy cheap clothes but I hope when I do spend on expensive clothes, they are being made where they say they are and under conditions that I can be comfortable with.

My quote reply is not working and I think that is a sign for me that enough has been said about this topic (on my part anyway). It seems that what Tutu and I have tried very hard to convey, we have been misunderstood, which is no more paying high prices for low quality items that may (or may not) be outsourced. We have not imposed our views on anyone but for the sake of healthy discussion have just stated how we feel personally.
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Hi,

I am a "silent" reader as I am quite new to TPF (as well as Chanel), but I think I got your and Tutu's points so far :-) I follow the arguments/discussions:yes: with an OPEN MIND and I don't think you ladies deviate from the original poster's opening statement.
 
#384
Interesting thread. It reminds me of a TV program that I saw about a year ago ish. It was a documentary that interviewed a business lady that made a FORTUNE in China handling the production of only high end/designer label products. I distinctly remember the tv host asking her to name the brands and her saying that was not allowed to and she implied that she was paid (plus legally too) to NOT ever reveal her customer's names. She did say that the final product was sent to say France or Italy for the final assembly so that it allowed the brands to keep that MADE IN ITALY label.

Based on what I've heard about the newer Chanels quality overall versus the vintage, I think it doesn't take a rocket science to figure out who one of her customers could very well be.
 
#385
I really appreciate this thread. I have been in and out of Chanel store many times over the last few years and I 100% agree that the quality is lacking. Like others here, I hav seen brand new bags with stitches loose, asymmetrical stitching, dents, chains links not closed together properly, an many many more issues which I find extremely problematic when a bag cost five or six thousand dollars and up. To me the worst part is when the sales associate look at me with this stupid look on their faces as if they are blind and don't see the anything wrong with the quality. Both the quality of the bags and the bad attitude of the sales staff has really put me off of Chanel. I really hope someone from the upper management of Chanel read this thread as I feel it is necessary for them to realize that they need to stop taking their customers for granted and playing them for fools. And while the last few years they have been able to get away with increasing their prices every five minutes they may need to do a quick reality check and realize that people are waking up and seeing that their items are not worth the money anymore and putting their dollars in other places/designers. I personally know so so many people who share the same frustration as many have voiced here with shopping at Chanel. All i have to say is Chanel needs to Wake up becausit is losing some of its most valuable customers because both the service and products are/have gone downhill. Just my opinion. Thanks.
 
#386
ladysarah said:
A dress that costs £60 just to make PLUS the cost of fabric- would sell for what Victorias line sells for - at least. That is actually high quality items, lots of costs to absorb, fashion shows, other designs that never go into production, logistics, marketing etc. made in England means higher costs, taxes, minimum wages at the very least. No one has to buy those clothes, or CHANEL for that matter (which are not made in china :D despite the comments on this thread which are ALL speculation). There are plenty of ethical design alternatives, that would still be expensive but more of the cost would be for 'making' the clothes. One may also find really cheap 'made in china' clothes from the discounters- where they don't worry about minimum wage, fair trade, etc and most of the designs are stolen or copied without permission, and fabric is poor quality.:cool: so for anyone who feels hard done by the big designers lots of alternatives....
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Fortunately, there are plenty of good quality clothes available in stores without the need to buy "cheap 'made in China' clothes ...fabric is poor quality" :smile1:

While China is saturating the markets throughout the world with cheap products, "made in China" does not always mean poor quality.

I believe that some of us are disappointed by the decrease in quality and by the 'not-so glamorous' and greedy world behind some of the 'so called' big designers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/13/world/europe/13prato.html?pagewanted=all
 
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#387
Made in China does not always equal to poor quality. The final quality inspection people are keys. even the pieces and parts are made in China, when the last step is labeled made in France or Italy, that simply means the quality control people agree that these are French or Italian made quality. Bottom line, when price is up, people expect the bags are really perfect... it may prompt one to inspect the bag more carefully. anyway, it is just a bag, eventually will be worn..
 
#389
Bag2gal said:
I really appreciate this thread. I have been in and out of Chanel store many times over the last few years and I 100% agree that the quality is lacking. Like others here, I hav seen brand new bags with stitches loose, asymmetrical stitching, dents, chains links not closed together properly, an many many more issues which I find extremely problematic when a bag cost five or six thousand dollars and up. To me the worst part is when the sales associate look at me with this stupid look on their faces as if they are blind and don't see the anything wrong with the quality. Both the quality of the bags and the bad attitude of the sales staff has really put me off of Chanel. I really hope someone from the upper management of Chanel read this thread as I feel it is necessary for them to realize that they need to stop taking their customers for granted and playing them for fools. And while the last few years they have been able to get away with increasing their prices every five minutes they may need to do a quick reality check and realize that people are waking up and seeing that their items are not worth the money anymore and putting their dollars in other places/designers. I personally know so so many people who share the same frustration as many have voiced here with shopping at Chanel. All i have to say is Chanel needs to Wake up becausit is losing some of its most valuable customers because both the service and products are/have gone downhill. Just my opinion. Thanks.
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Totally agree!
 
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