Miley Cyrus

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Oh please, I've watched Breaking Bad sporadically and picked up more in those few moments about drugs than I'd have ever known in my life considering that I'm not into drugs. Granted it may not be a detailed step-by-step there's enough knowledge and information there for anyone with access to Google to fill in the blanks.

I dont care that people aren't up in arms about Breaking Bad. TV is entertainment, it's there to be enjoyed and be entertained by. For the first four seasons I was a fan of Dexter so I'm not picking on Breaking Bad, but I think Miley makes an excellent point. People and the media are all over her for wearing skimpy clothes on stage and indulging in trashy imagery but shows like Breaking Bad, Dexter, Game of Thrones, The Borgias, Oz, The Wire, and so on are lauded for its artistic merits while the shows are full of sex, nudity, sadism, violence, etc. Miley's an entertainer, trashy she may, but really she's no different at what passes for entertainment on other channels. I'm just saying, if we're gonna point fingers and call her out, let's be fair and do it across the board.
 
#9,017
^^ I wasn't disputing that the argument is invalid just that BB is a bad example to support it. And I don't really care about Miley... she's not making a point that hasn't been made or better argued before.


vimrod said:
Oh please, I've watched Breaking Bad sporadically and picked up more in those few moments about drugs than I'd have ever known in my life considering that I'm not into drugs. Granted it may not be a detailed step-by-step there's enough knowledge and information there for anyone with access to Google to fill in the blanks.
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Yeah but it's not irresponsible information, if anything I would argue the more people know about the economics and particular details of the drug trade the better. Please... it's not like that show is leading you to drugs, I would argue just the opposite.
 
#9,018
I almost don't blame Miley...I went through a very rebellious stage when I was in high school and I now know much of my behavior was ridiculous, embarrassing and honestly dangerous. And it seems like she is going through a much delayed adolescence. What I cannot understand is her parents...if that was my daughter I realize it might be difficult to stop her at this point but I certainly would not be encouraging and literally cheering her on!!!
 
#9,019
Oh my. . . .
A 20 yr old singing about drugs on commercial radio, videos and giving interviews about doing drugs is not the same as a night time cable show w/ drug content that most kids do not watch. They are NOT comparable.
Kids and adolescents aren't watching Breaking Bad, they're following Miley on Instagram, Twitter, the radio, etc. . .
 
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Singra said:
^^ I wasn't disputing that the argument is invalid just that BB is a bad example to support it. And I don't really care about Miley... she's not making a point that hasn't been made or better argued before. Yeah but it's not irresponsible information, if anything I would argue the more people know about the economics and particular details of the drug trade the better. Please... it's not like that show is leading you to drugs, I would argue just the opposite.
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Oh my. . . .
A 20 yr old singing about drugs on commercial radio, videos and giving interviews about doing drugs is not the same as a night time cable show w/ drug content that most kids do not watch. They are NOT comparable.
Kids and adolescents aren't watching Breaking Bad, they're following Miley on Instagram, Twitter, the radio, etc. . .
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How is Miley is leading you (anyone) to drugs? Anymore than a show like Dexter is leading people to become serial killers? I dont get this argument. She's singing about weed or whatever it is, and it's maybe glamorous to HER, she's not pushing it on anyone else. No more than Dexter is telling people to go kill people because hey, here's how to cover it up, no more than the guy from BB is telling people how to get rich from meth because hey, here's exactly how to manufacture it, set up a market and sell it.

And is it just tweens and 20-year-olds that are impressionable? Because the guy who killed his girlfriend and dissolved her body in acid a la Breaking Bad, was clearly someone who managed to circumvent his bedtime and get hold of that information, that so-called "not irresponsible" information.
http://www.webpronews.com/breaking-...grisly-instance-of-life-imitating-art-2013-06

But I think we're in danger of veering wildly off track so I'm gonna just leave it alone. You have your opinion, I have mine.
 
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There is NO comparison to Miley and shows like Dexter or Breaking Bad or Snoop Dogg. The reason for that is fan base and access. Miley's fan base is made up of young, impressionable girls (and some boys) for the most part. These are not the same people that watch controversial shows and listen to Snoop Dogg. Any class in marketing will show you that their target market segment is absolutely different.
 
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Singra said:
How is someone going to make meth after watching Breaking Bad? while the production has been pretty crafty at delivering a high degree of realism the meth making process on the show is completely faulty. Miley said you could "literally" make meth after watching the show... I'm sorry but you can't "literally" make meth after watching Breaking Bad.

I fail to see why people should be up in arms about Breaking Bad and while the ratings system in the US is pretty f**ked up I don't think they've been irresponsible with regards to BB. There are many other shows on TV at the moment that more problematic than BB.

To my mind Breaking Bad is one of the more responsible, thought provoking, nuanced shows on drugs which deserves it's critical recognition... Miley could have chosen from a range of other shows to better illustrate her point but I find it interesting that she chose Breaking Bad.


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A couple of articles on what Breaking Bad gets right and wrong...
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...iction-of-the-meth-trade-in-breaking-bad.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...gets-right-and-wrong-about-the-meth-business/
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Exactly. I just watched the whole series over the past couple of weeks and I'm no more able to cook meth than before. So yet again, she's spouting off about stuff that she has no clue about.
 
#9,024
I can compare Miley and Snoop a little, but he's not singing the praises of ecstasy. If my kid was going to try a drug tonight I'd prefer it to be weed. But I do agree, they have VERY different fanbases, but certainly easier to compare them than to reach by comparing Miley to a night time cable show not marketed to kids.
 
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Swanky Mama Of Three said:
Circumvented his bedtime? He was 27yrs old, lol!

Yes, tweens and 27 yr olds are different.
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That's called being facetious to prove exactly that point. We're on Miley for leading the youngins astray when a 27-year-old adult was impressionable enough to copy a TV scene to get rid of his girlfriend's body. Which brings me back to my original and still valid point: how is that different to anything that Miley is doing? How is that, in fact, not WORSE? A scene in a show that inspired a person to kill their girlfriend versus Miley being trashy and tacky and singing about weed. Mileage varies, I just dont see the point of painting this girl as the devil as if she is solely responsible for leading America's youth astray.
 
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vimrod said:
That's called being facetious to prove exactly that point. We're on Miley for leading the youngins astray when a 27-year-old adult was impressionable enough to copy a TV scene to get rid of his girlfriend's body. Which brings me back to my original and still valid point: how is that different to anything that Miley is doing? How is that, in fact, not WORSE? A scene in a show that inspired a person to kill their girlfriend versus Miley being trashy and tacky and singing about weed. Mileage varies, I just dont see the point of painting this girl as the devil as if she is solely responsible for leading America's youth astray.
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Miley is not only singing about weed, a drug that is now legal to carry (and thus smoke) in some parts of the US and in other countries. She is making public statements while doing press about how Molly is a great and happy drug, etc.
 
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vimrod said:
That's called being facetious to prove exactly that point. We're on Miley for leading the youngins astray when a 27-year-old adult was impressionable enough to copy a TV scene to get rid of his girlfriend's body. Which brings me back to my original and still valid point: how is that different to anything that Miley is doing? How is that, in fact, not WORSE? A scene in a show that inspired a person to kill their girlfriend versus Miley being trashy and tacky and singing about weed. Mileage varies, I just dont see the point of painting this girl as the devil as if she is solely responsible for leading America's youth astray.
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lol! Sorry, but it's just not comparable. A 13 yr old is different than a 27 yr old. A 27 yr old planning to kill is different than a 13 yr old hearing about "molly" for the first time and wanting to try it because someone she thinks is cool says it's cool. It's simply reckless.

With your argument, all violence on tv is responsible for ADULTS getting innovative ways to kill others. By the way, this is about Miley, not every loon that kills people and says he got the idea from a Metallica song, Dexter or a video game. We're talking about a girl that knows she's followed by KIDS and still publicly supports a hard drug.

We're not really talking about weed here, we're talking about ecstasy. An adolescent trying weed for the first time at a party won't kill them, trying ecstasy certainly could.

I don't remember anyone calling her the devil. :confused1:
People have merely been saying she's stupid for a long time, her interview talking about how amazing ecstasy is just cemented it for most people.
Maybe her drug use is killing her brain cells? :giggles:
 
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Swanky Mama Of Three said:
lol! Sorry, but it's just not comparable. A 13 yr old is different than a 27 yr old. A 27 yr old planning to kill is different than a 13 yr old hearing about "molly" for the first time and wanting to try it because someone she thinks is cool says it's cool. It's simply reckless.
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^I think that needs to be said twice, repeated... then said again. Thank you!
 
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