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Alicia Vikander on motherhood, movies and going meta
The Oscar-winning Swedish actress Alicia Vikander tells Sasha Slater about her unconventional upbringing and playing the ultimate femme fatale
It is a sunny, but bitingly cold, March morning on a quiet side street in Paris. Alicia Vikander, tousled, draped in diamonds, bare-footed and wearing a filmy black negligée, is posing on a rooftop for the Harper’s Bazaar shoot. There are 17 people milling around her holding coffees, warm robes and blusher, including the florist, the make-up artist and the photographer. And everywhere, spring flowers are piled up in drifts, while the stylist teases individual petals on a particularly lush, creamy bloom to get it ready for a close-up. It’s quite a scene.
The next morning, Vikander and I meet in the belle époque splendour of the Salon Proust at the Ritz Paris. She appears alone at precisely 8am, having been awake since six, playing with her one-year-old son. "He’s learning to walk," she says. "So it’s good there’s carpet everywhere." I shouldn’t be surprised she’s so punctual. She says she’s never late: "never. My mum was strict about time."
At 33, Vikander already has an Oscar win under her belt (for The Danish Girl). In the course of her stellar career, she has stepped into Angelina Jolie’s combat boots as Lara Croft in Tomb Raider and has played an android in Ex Machina, the feminist writer Vera Brittain and the political activist Gloria Steinem. Along the way, she fell in love with her now-husband, the Irish-German actor Michael Fassbender; they have been married for five years and have just set up home together in Lisbon.
We are now in France to talk about her latest, and perhaps strangest, role to date: a Sky Atlantic television series called Irma Vep, written and directed by the French filmmaker Olivier Assayas. In it, she plays Mira, an American film star who comes to Paris to act in a remake of Les Vampires, a French silent classic about a criminal gang, whose antiheroine is the wholly amoral, black-catsuited femme fatale Irma Vep (an anagram of vampire).
This show offers a fresh take on Assayas’ cult 1996 film of the same name, which featured the Hong Kong star Maggie Cheung as the actress portraying the villainess. As Vikander says in her (almost) perfect, charmingly transatlantic, English, "it’s so meta, it’s eating itself ". She declines to define what the series is, exactly: melo-drama? Crime caper? Comedy? "I think, while I was making it, I played five roles... It’s like Chinese boxes. There’s always something else going on. I think that’s the beauty of the project." The series also has a voyeuristic edge, giving a convincing impression of the drama behind the scenes on a struggling film whose director is on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
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There was only one episode available to watch before our meeting, because Assayas is still hard at work in the editing suite, but it was very beguiling: one particularly intriguing moment comes when Mira (the name itself is, of course, an anagram of Irma) tries on her character’s velvet catsuit and somehow also adopts her criminal impulses, slipping upstairs and rummaging in another woman’s handbag.
"He’s the most timid and kind person and everybody loves him," Vikander says of the director, whom she has known for over half a decade. "When you go on set, it’s all the same people he’s worked with for years – it’s a joy to be with him and his friends, and it’s all happy and sweet. And then he wrote this in a few months, with its darkness, and you say, 'This was actually in your mind?' He’s an extreme observer."
Generally, she says, she enjoys the experience of making a movie: "I love the communal feeling independent films give you." There have been times, though, when she wasn’t so comfortable. Discussing intimacy coaches (a topic that, incidentally, comes up in the first episode of Irma Vep), Vikander is in favour. "The only thing that can’t be improvised is an intimate scene – you have to make choreography and stick to it. It’s the worst thing ever to do those scenes. I am very comfortable with my body and I’ve done quite a bit of nudity and sex scenes, but it’s never easy."
The coaches, she says, "should have existed at the beginning of my career. I’ve been in situations that were not fine, where I didn’t feel I was protected." She describes one occasion on a set where "everyone was busy doing their own thing and, in the middle, you have an actor who sits there naked for a couple of hours. And someone is supposed to arrive with a robe, and they don’t. It comes afterwards – [the knowledge that] that was not right. I should have been looked after."
Vikander was brought up in Gothenburg, the daughter of an actress, Maria, and a psychiatrist, Svante. They divorced when she was young, and she lived most of the time with her mother but remained close to her father and his five other children. Indeed, when a Swedish documentary company interviewed her for a programme on the impact of divorce on children, they cut their footage of her because she seemed so unaffected. "I had an amazing childhood," she says, smiling. "I’m fortunate to have a really solid base, emotionally, with friends and family I’m very close to."
She talks fondly of her 20-year-old brother, who is currently disporting himself in Portugal, while she has telephoned one of her sisters in Australia already this morning. As for her female friends, she says: "I am really attracted to them. Very often, when I see them, I’m like, 'Woah, she’s so impressive!' With all my closest girlfriends, I had that first-love moment and I said to myself, 'I need to be with that person.' It’s another kind of love. I’ve never wanted to go to bed with a woman, but I’ve definitely had a spark and a magic and a rawness that is intense."
As a teenager, alone in Stockholm, Vikander had a blast, living with a dancer boyfriend for a year and then alone in a tiny, 20-square-metre apartment, "in a beautiful old building. It was amazing. It had a Shoreditch vibe. Children of that age, they are capable – they are young adults."
The family didn’t have money for luxuries (she still recalls being thrilled by her first sight of a hotel swimming pool at a shabby two-star resort in Turkey, while in her late teens). As a result, she is not sentimental when it comes to possessions. "I don’t own much," she says, but she is partial to homegrown Swedish labels Acne Studios and Totême for their minimalist lines and high-quality fabrics. When she travels, she packs light, with one suitcase containing perhaps "two pairs of jeans and three sweaters". Her son "has much more stuff than me right now".
There was only one episode available to watch before our meeting, because Assayas is still hard at work in the editing suite, but it was very beguiling: one particularly intriguing moment comes when Mira (the name itself is, of course, an anagram of Irma) tries on her character’s velvet catsuit and somehow also adopts her criminal impulses, slipping upstairs and rummaging in another woman’s handbag.
As Assayas sees it, the silhouette of Irma in her Paul Poiret-designed black costume slinks through the history of cinema, from Les Vampires to The Matrix via To Catch a Thief. "She was the first bad girl who was a main character," he says. "Before that, women were damsels in distress, but she had a striking originality and a strange ambiguous eroticism." He "always wanted to work with [Vikander]; it was just a matter of finding the right role. And I thought about her at once for Irma Vep. She has all the depth, the complexity and the humour I needed."
"He’s the most timid and kind person and everybody loves him," Vikander says of the director, whom she has known for over half a decade. "When you go on set, it’s all the same people he’s worked with for years – it’s a joy to be with him and his friends, and it’s all happy and sweet. And then he wrote this in a few months, with its darkness, and you say, 'This was actually in your mind?' He’s an extreme observer."
Generally, she says, she enjoys the experience of making a movie: "I love the communal feeling independent films give you." There have been times, though, when she wasn’t so comfortable. Discussing intimacy coaches (a topic that, incidentally, comes up in the first episode of Irma Vep), Vikander is in favour. "The only thing that can’t be improvised is an intimate scene – you have to make choreography and stick to it. It’s the worst thing ever to do those scenes. I am very comfortable with my body and I’ve done quite a bit of nudity and sex scenes, but it’s never easy."
The coaches, she says, "should have existed at the beginning of my career. I’ve been in situations that were not fine, where I didn’t feel I was protected." She describes one occasion on a set where "everyone was busy doing their own thing and, in the middle, you have an actor who sits there naked for a couple of hours. And someone is supposed to arrive with a robe, and they don’t. It comes afterwards – [the knowledge that] that was not right. I should have been looked after."
Vikander was brought up in Gothenburg, the daughter of an actress, Maria, and a psychiatrist, Svante. They divorced when she was young, and she lived most of the time with her mother but remained close to her father and his five other children. Indeed, when a Swedish documentary company interviewed her for a programme on the impact of divorce on children, they cut their footage of her because she seemed so unaffected. "I had an amazing childhood," she says, smiling. "I’m fortunate to have a really solid base, emotionally, with friends and family I’m very close to."
She talks fondly of her 20-year-old brother, who is currently disporting himself in Portugal, while she has telephoned one of her sisters in Australia already this morning. As for her female friends, she says: "I am really attracted to them. Very often, when I see them, I’m like, 'Woah, she’s so impressive!' With all my closest girlfriends, I had that first-love moment and I said to myself, 'I need to be with that person.' It’s another kind of love. I’ve never wanted to go to bed with a woman, but I’ve definitely had a spark and a magic and a rawness that is intense."
Vikander left home when she was only 15, because she won a place at a ballet school in Stockholm. "I thought it was the most exciting thing in the entire world," she says now, with a laugh. "Any 15-year-old would feel the same." Her mother, though, was less than delighted to wave goodbye to her only daughter. "Now I ask her, 'How? How could you bear it?' And she says that the whole year before I left was horrific. She says, 'You were doing well, and I saw you were going to get in. And, that year, it was constantly with me that you were going to leave.' But after I’d gone, she was OK. She did the grieving in advance."
As a teenager, alone in Stockholm, Vikander had a blast, living with a dancer boyfriend for a year and then alone in a tiny, 20-square-metre apartment, "in a beautiful old building. It was amazing. It had a Shoreditch vibe. Children of that age, they are capable – they are young adults."
The family didn’t have money for luxuries (she still recalls being thrilled by her first sight of a hotel swimming pool at a shabby two-star resort in Turkey, while in her late teens). As a result, she is not sentimental when it comes to possessions. "I don’t own much," she says, but she is partial to homegrown Swedish labels Acne Studios and Totême for their minimalist lines and high-quality fabrics. When she travels, she packs light, with one suitcase containing perhaps "two pairs of jeans and three sweaters". Her son "has much more stuff than me right now".
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Today, Vikander is wearing black trousers and a navy jumper – currently sprinkled with crumbs because, although she had an egg and some avocado upstairs, she tucks into a croissant while we talk. Her face is clean of make-up and her long brown hair is tucked behind her ears. She’s diminutive, exquisitely pretty and completely unselfconscious, which makes her charming company. The only signs of her status are that those black trousers are by Louis Vuitton, as are her eye-catching earrings and bracelets. She has been an ambassador for the brand for about seven years, and loves the association because "Nicolas [Ghesquière, the creative director of womenswear] is a brilliant artist who, every year, manages to recreate and reinvent something." In the maison’s campaigns for its high jewellery, her dancer’s poise and flawless complexion set off the diamonds and sapphires admirably.
"I get excited about dressing up," she says of the red-carpet side of her world. "People come and see us at a premiere dressed up and walking these carpets, and that’s fun, of course. But that’s the illusion of what the industry is." As for the reality, it’s "interest, and passion, and a will to make something. It’s four months where a bunch of strangers work 15-hour days, six days a week, and don’t sleep."
The two years of the pandemic seem to have been the first time she took a break. Vikander and Fassbender lived together in their house in the Basque country in France, and to begin with, she recalls, "there was obviously quite a lot of fear. But I was very fortunate that all my loved ones were fine. And it was the first time I was at home for that long since I was 19. That was quite a blessing, in the end."
There was another reason why that time was so precious, however: she wanted to start a family of her own. "I tried to get pregnant for a while," she confides. "So I had tough times during lockdown. I struggled for a while." Vikander doesn’t normally stray into such personal territory during interviews. "You saw me now," she says, slowly. "And I kind of stopped and thought, 'Am I going to talk about this?' But I think it’s universal and so many women go through similar things. And it’s tough." Motherhood wasn’t something that Vikander had thought much about in the past. "I didn’t think I even wanted children, actually, until I was 30." It was the experience of having a miscarriage that brought home to her how much she wanted to be a mother. "For a while I didn’t think that I could get pregnant." But now she has her baby, she finds she has changed "in every way. It’s life. It’s so profound."
The pandemic was "a chance for my husband and me to be at home, just cooking. We had a routine. We worked and we met up with five other families on Zoom and worked out Monday to Friday together." Since the regulations in France at the time were draconian, involving carrying a passport every time you left the house, they stayed at home much of the time, enjoying their garden, reading plays, watching films and "falling in love with movies again". Classic films, or the Die Hard variety? "Oh, that too!" she says, laughing.
She is determined to keep that sense of togetherness going now her life has gone back to its frantic normality. "In my little family, with my husband and my child, we travel together, always. That’s the rule. We do jobs so one of us can always be with the baby." And with that, this most unshowy of stars slips off through the fashionable throng to take her toddler son for his pre-nap walk.
‘Irma Vep’ will be coming to Sky Atlantic and NowTV later this year. The May issue of Harper's Bazaar starring Alicia Vikander is on newsstands from 7 April.
UK Harper's Bazaar
Today, Vikander is wearing black trousers and a navy jumper – currently sprinkled with crumbs because, although she had an egg and some avocado upstairs, she tucks into a croissant while we talk. Her face is clean of make-up and her long brown hair is tucked behind her ears. She’s diminutive, exquisitely pretty and completely unselfconscious, which makes her charming company. The only signs of her status are that those black trousers are by Louis Vuitton, as are her eye-catching earrings and bracelets. She has been an ambassador for the brand for about seven years, and loves the association because "Nicolas [Ghesquière, the creative director of womenswear] is a brilliant artist who, every year, manages to recreate and reinvent something." In the maison’s campaigns for its high jewellery, her dancer’s poise and flawless complexion set off the diamonds and sapphires admirably.
"I get excited about dressing up," she says of the red-carpet side of her world. "People come and see us at a premiere dressed up and walking these carpets, and that’s fun, of course. But that’s the illusion of what the industry is." As for the reality, it’s "interest, and passion, and a will to make something. It’s four months where a bunch of strangers work 15-hour days, six days a week, and don’t sleep."
The two years of the pandemic seem to have been the first time she took a break. Vikander and Fassbender lived together in their house in the Basque country in France, and to begin with, she recalls, "there was obviously quite a lot of fear. But I was very fortunate that all my loved ones were fine. And it was the first time I was at home for that long since I was 19. That was quite a blessing, in the end."
There was another reason why that time was so precious, however: she wanted to start a family of her own. "I tried to get pregnant for a while," she confides. "So I had tough times during lockdown. I struggled for a while." Vikander doesn’t normally stray into such personal territory during interviews. "You saw me now," she says, slowly. "And I kind of stopped and thought, 'Am I going to talk about this?' But I think it’s universal and so many women go through similar things. And it’s tough." Motherhood wasn’t something that Vikander had thought much about in the past. "I didn’t think I even wanted children, actually, until I was 30." It was the experience of having a miscarriage that brought home to her how much she wanted to be a mother. "For a while I didn’t think that I could get pregnant." But now she has her baby, she finds she has changed "in every way. It’s life. It’s so profound."
The pandemic was "a chance for my husband and me to be at home, just cooking. We had a routine. We worked and we met up with five other families on Zoom and worked out Monday to Friday together." Since the regulations in France at the time were draconian, involving carrying a passport every time you left the house, they stayed at home much of the time, enjoying their garden, reading plays, watching films and "falling in love with movies again". Classic films, or the Die Hard variety? "Oh, that too!" she says, laughing.
She is determined to keep that sense of togetherness going now her life has gone back to its frantic normality. "In my little family, with my husband and my child, we travel together, always. That’s the rule. We do jobs so one of us can always be with the baby." And with that, this most unshowy of stars slips off through the fashionable throng to take her toddler son for his pre-nap walk.
‘Irma Vep’ will be coming to Sky Atlantic and NowTV later this year. The May issue of Harper's Bazaar starring Alicia Vikander is on newsstands from 7 April.
UK Harper's Bazaar
Revealing a miscarriage that no one ever would have known about is another example of not being the private person she pretends to be. I give her credit for talking about it - everyone who does helps to remove the shame too many women feel over the experience. But a person who fiercely protects her privacy does not share that in a magazine interview when she's got a project to promote. She's get better promotion if she were honest about who she is, including being a woman who plays the Hollywood game to share parts of her life to generate press when she has to do publicity.
Thank you @August_Lee ! Stunning, stunning pictures of Alicia!!! It's been so long since I've seen a photo shoot that I like haha. And a very well-written interview as well! My heart breaks to read of her miscarriage, it's a devastating thing to have to go through. I'm so humbled that she had the courage (and generosity) to share it. I'm warmed to think of the special time she and Michael spent together during the pandemic and how they ultimately conceived again, and now the baby is learning to walk! Truly a gift of life! I can imagine them bursting with love and happiness, and doting as all new parents are. I love how they travel together and work around being with the baby. It sounds very committed to me! Alicia seems like she's in a good place. 
Her contentment shows in the interview.
I agree with Alicia when she said that the changes in her life would influence her future work. I'm looking forward to Irma Vep, as well as the new movie Firebrand which is filming now in the UK.
(Thinking about it now, both Michael & Alicia looked so happy back when they were interviewed during the pandemic. It must have occurred then lolol.)
I can't get over this interview, I'm so happy!
Her contentment shows in the interview.I agree with Alicia when she said that the changes in her life would influence her future work. I'm looking forward to Irma Vep, as well as the new movie Firebrand which is filming now in the UK.
(Thinking about it now, both Michael & Alicia looked so happy back when they were interviewed during the pandemic. It must have occurred then lolol.)
I can't get over this interview, I'm so happy!
P.S. I forgot to say her early experience with shooting nudity on set sounds horrible. Luckily Alicia has a healthy relationship with her body lol. I wonder what movie that was.
P.P.S. I am so tickled to think that their baby learned to walk at the Ritz!
P.P.S. I am so tickled to think that their baby learned to walk at the Ritz!
nice to see (or read from lol) you again @readingnook.I agree with like everything you said, really enjoyed this photoshoot and interview. Sometimes in these magazine stories, they retell the same stuff over and over without something new. But there is so much information about Alicia (even without her struggles of pregnancy) that she's never revealed before. One of best interviews for her in a long time.
I was thinking what movie she's talking about and I think it's Tulip Fever. The production of that film was a mess and we all know the other issues it had
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