Michael & Alicia Fassbender ~ A Loving Couple Thread

[Kyoko Karenina]

While a big part of the dislike of AV has to do with her own words & personality/appearance obviously, I think another huge turn off is her PR & fans. Her PR is not at all sophisticated and her fans can be OTT & ridiculous. It's like Tom Hiddleston for me; I could maybe like him, but he's so try hard and his fans are so, so ridiculous that I just can't.

With alicia, you have this big PR push of her as It Girl, to which people will naturally push back against because they don't like being told who to like (that's why JLaw was successful, because she never really had that kind of concerted It Girl campaign, at least not until she was actually "It" - and then she started getting backlash). You saw the push back with alicia right away, with people saying "I don't get the hype, she's bland and boring." But then her fans (or PR, they're interchangeable at this point) went all over proclaiming "but you are WRONG! She's a special sparkling snowflake, how dare you say such vile things about her! Jealous!" And this was actually before any "vile" things had even been said about her, because not getting someone’s hype is not "vile". So people push back against that, and it has just snowballed from there. Add in the unflattering/unfavorable press (and I include the overly-gushingly positive pieces too, because to most people that will read as a fake PR plant, whether it is or not), and it adds up to an overall bad impression left on those who were on the fence about her. Her PR sucks and her fans only make it worse.

As for the "vile" Weinstein rumors, many actresses have these kinds of rumors, from Blake Lively to Gwenyth Paltrow to JLaw to Jessica Chastain (although my fave Chastain explanation for her rise out of nowhere is that she is the illegitimate child of Ron Howard! Lol). But some AV fans go so hard about this as if she's the only actress ever gossiped about in this way, it comes off sounding like they "doth protest too much", which just adds to people's convictions. That NY Times reporter comparing her to Blake Lively didn't help, because it was such a random comparison. When I saw that picture of alicia beaming up at Harvey, it made me wonder if that was why the reporter chose that particular comparison, because if you wanna talk about vicious, check out the Lively rumors. But even without that, the HW rumors were inevitable, it happens to everyone who comes out of nowhere hailed as an It girl. Welcome to Hollywood!

 

[pearlyqueen]

While a big part of the dislike of AV has to do with her own words & personality/appearance obviously, I think another huge turn off is her PR & fans. Her PR is not at all sophisticated and her fans can be OTT & ridiculous. It's like Tom Hiddleston for me; I could maybe like him, but he's so try hard and his fans are so, so ridiculous that I just can't.



With alicia, you have this big PR push of her as It Girl, to which people will naturally push back against because they don't like being told who to like (that's why JLaw was successful, because she never really had that kind of concerted It Girl campaign, at least not until she was actually "It" - and then she started getting backlash). You saw the push back with alicia right away, with people saying "I don't get the hype, she's bland and boring." But then her fans (or PR, they're interchangeable at this point) went all over proclaiming "but you are WRONG! She's a special sparkling snowflake, how dare you say such vile things about her! Jealous!" And this was actually before any "vile" things had even been said about her, because not getting someone’s hype is not "vile". So people push back against that, and it has just snowballed from there. Add in the unflattering/unfavorable press (and I include the overly-gushingly positive pieces too, because to most people that will read as a fake PR plant, whether it is or not), and it adds up to an overall bad impression left on those who were on the fence about her. Her PR sucks and her fans only make it worse.



As for the "vile" Weinstein rumors, many actresses have these kinds of rumors, from Blake Lively to Gwenyth Paltrow to JLaw to Jessica Chastain (although my fave Chastain explanation for her rise out of nowhere is that she is the illegitimate child of Ron Howard! Lol). But some AV fans go so hard about this as if she's the only actress ever gossiped about in this way, it comes off sounding like they "doth protest too much", which just adds to people's convictions. That NY Times reporter comparing her to Blake Lively didn't help, because it was such a random comparison. When I saw that picture of alicia beaming up at Harvey, it made me wonder if that was why the reporter chose that particular comparison, because if you wanna talk about vicious, check out the Lively rumors. But even without that, the HW rumors were inevitable, it happens to everyone who comes out of nowhere hailed as an It girl. Welcome to Hollywood!

Sorry, not buying this as an explanation. The interviews you refer to were around February this year; and the only reason Alicia had been promoted is due to her film releases, not because there is a concerted drive to push her as an "It Girl".

The hate campaign took off for real in April after the NY kissing photos; on Michael's page you can trace it back to post 2994 on 5 April. Prior to these photos most people (me included) had kind of assumed she was a short term fling consistent with Michael's perceived history. But those photos strongly indicated a far more serious relationship between them. THAT is when the hate against Alicia started in earnest and has been snowballing since then.

 

[pearlyqueen]

I agree -- I love her natural beauty and I bet she gets more work than a Margot Robbie type, who can only do certain roles… AV's natural looks can help her disappear in roles and that's my favourite kind of actress.

Yes, she's also a very talented actress. And like Michael has a chameleon quality [emoji3]

 

[SusanBeach]

I don't think much of Lainey or of her hardly blind blind items, but what I do find a bit interesting is that so many on various sites right away guessed on Alicia and dissed on her with little hesitation. I'm not sure what/how much web fame/popularity/hate means for an actor/actresses career? I'm also not sure it's just hate from crazy Fassy fangirls. There can't be that many of them. I wonder if she somehow comes off in a off-putting way in English? I at least first noticed hostility towards her online after the interview where she talked about hoping to have three movies at the Oscars.

My guess is that the "backlash" at Alicia is a combo of many factors but I think you are right with that she maybe comes off in English. The interviews that are taped are IMO much better!
In words that are written there are so much more different interprets.

 

[SusanBeach]

With alicia, you have this big PR push of her as It Girl, to which people will naturally push back against because they don't like being told who to like (that's why JLaw was successful, because she never really had that kind of concerted It Girl campaign, at least not until she was actually "It" - and then she started getting backlash). You saw the push back with alicia right away, with people saying "I don't get the hype, she's bland and boring." But then her fans (or PR, they're interchangeable at this point) went all over proclaiming "but you are WRONG! She's a special sparkling snowflake, how dare you say such vile things about her! Jealous!" And this was actually before any "vile" things had even been said about her, because not getting someone’s hype is not "vile". So people push back against that, and it has just snowballed from there. !

Maybe you are right about the snowball but I don't think it's only the "IT-girl" talk, as I wrote in previous post, I think it's a combination of many things.
IMO there is no IT campaign, she have done 8-9 movies in 3 years and almost all of them comes out in the same year.

 

[Kyoko Karenina]

Sorry, not buying this as an explanation. The interviews you refer to were around February this year; and the only reason Alicia had been promoted is due to her film releases, not because there is a concerted drive to push her as an "It Girl".

The hate campaign took off for real in April after the NY kissing photos; on Michael's page you can trace it back to post 2994 on 5 April. Prior to these photos most people (me included) had kind of assumed she was a short term fling consistent with Michael's perceived history. But those photos strongly indicated a far more serious relationship between them. THAT is when the hate against Alicia started in earnest and has been snowballing since then.

I will just reiterate: I think another huge turn off is her PR & fans. Her PR is not at all sophisticated and her fans can be OTT & ridiculous. It's like Tom Hiddleston for me; I could maybe like him, but he's so try hard and his fans are so, so ridiculous that I just can't.

Maybe you are right about the snowball but I don't think it's only the "IT-girl" talk, as I wrote in previous post, I think it's a combination of many things.
IMO there is no IT campaign, she have done 8-9 movies in 3 years and almost all of them comes out in the same year.

There is definitely a campaign, she wouldn't be getting magazine covers and fashion contracts if there weren't - Her publicist is pitching her contacts, saying "hey, my client has xx movies coming out, she's hollywood's latest it girl, she's dating michael fassbender, do you think you might be interested in running a story on her?" That's her job, that's how PR works. Magazines aren't just calling AV up, come on now. It doesn't work that way.

 

[jcsepjj]

While a big part of the dislike of AV has to do with her own words & personality/appearance obviously, I think another huge turn off is her PR & fans. Her PR is not at all sophisticated and her fans can be OTT & ridiculous. It's like Tom Hiddleston for me; I could maybe like him, but he's so try hard and his fans are so, so ridiculous that I just can't.


With alicia, you have this big PR push of her as It Girl, to which people will naturally push back against because they don't like being told who to like (that's why JLaw was successful, because she never really had that kind of concerted It Girl campaign, at least not until she was actually "It" - and then she started getting backlash). You saw the push back with alicia right away, with people saying "I don't get the hype, she's bland and boring." But then her fans (or PR, they're interchangeable at this point) went all over proclaiming "but you are WRONG! She's a special sparkling snowflake, how dare you say such vile things about her! Jealous!" And this was actually before any "vile" things had even been said about her, because not getting someone’s hype is not "vile". So people push back against that, and it has just snowballed from there. Add in the unflattering/unfavorable press (and I include the overly-gushingly positive pieces too, because to most people that will read as a fake PR plant, whether it is or not), and it adds up to an overall bad impression left on those who were on the fence about her. Her PR sucks and her fans only make it

I don't think Alicia's fans can be held responsible for the offensive and vile things that other people say about her. I don't know where you have run into those fans but it's not something I've encountered. As I've pointed out, people are entitled to their opinion but there's a big difference between an opinion and abuse. And i agree with pearlyqueen, once the relationship with Michael got serious the hate increased.

And I think it's ridicoulous for people to pretend like Alicia isn't a good actress. That just makes their feelings about her very transparent. Most of the girls hating on her and claiming she doesn't deserve all that's coming her way haven't even seen her movies. And just because she's in The Light Between Oceans they're not going to see the movie, even though they are fans of Michaels? They need to grow up.

 

[BagBerry13]

There is definitely a campaign, she wouldn't be getting magazine covers and fashion contracts if there weren't - Her publicist is pitching her contacts, saying "hey, my client has xx movies coming out, she's hollywood's latest it girl, she's dating michael fassbender, do you think you might be interested in running a story on her?" That's her job, that's how PR works. Magazines aren't just calling AV up, come on now. It doesn't work that way.

And all these magazine covers and fashion contracts have of course nothing to do with the fact that she has loads of films coming out, right? The quality of the films is everyone's own subjective opinion but the PR push doesn't come out of the nowhere. They're doing this to get attention for the films as well which also means it doesn't have to be her personal publicist pushing all this but the films' one's. She's no Kim Kardashian who's famous for being famous. She has an actual talent. Sex tape appearances don't get you into SAG-AFTRA. When I hear it-girl I think of Paris Hilton and that's not what she is.
And funny enough no one complained about JLaw or Shailene Woodley when they got shoved down our throats. Let me think, maybe because they don't date an envied for bachelor.

 

[SusanBeach]

There is definitely a campaign, she wouldn't be getting magazine covers and fashion contracts if there weren't - Her publicist is pitching her contacts, saying "hey, my client has xx movies coming out, she's hollywood's latest it girl, she's dating michael fassbender, do you think you might be interested in running a story on her?" That's her job, that's how PR works. Magazines aren't just calling AV up, come on now. It doesn't work that way.

I see what you mean and agree to a certain part but again, for me it´s a combination.

Changing subject, have this video been posted here? It's from Comic Con, I haven't been so excited for this movie but my interest have grown.

http://uk.eonline.com/news/677636/alicia-vikander-slapped-armie-hammer-in-the-face-and-he-had-no-idea-it-was-coming

 

[Kyoko Karenina]

I don't think Alicia's fans can be held responsible for the offensive and vile things that other people say about her. I don't know where you have run into those fans but it's not something I've encountered.

Hmm, where could I have run into these Alicia Vikander fans? I wonder... lol.

As I've pointed out, people are entitled to their opinion ...

I think it's ridicoulous for people to pretend like Alicia isn't a good actress. That just makes their feelings about her very transparent.

So... this is my point exactly. Are people entitled to their opinion - including their opinion that she's not a good actress? Or does it only count as opinion when it matches yours, and anything else is indicative of jealous immaturity? Rhetorical question.

BTW, I'm not impressed by her acting, and I've seen Ex Machina, Anna Karenina and whatever that horrible wiki leaks movie was called (I keep wanting to call it The Fifth Element, but I know that's not right). But okay.

 

[jcsepjj]

I don't think Alicia's fans can be held responsible for the offensive and vile things that other people say about her. I don't know where you have run into those fans but it's not something I've encountered.

Hmm, where could I have run into these Alicia Vikander fans? I wonder... lol.







So... this is my point exactly. Are people entitled to their opinion - including their opinion that she's not a good actress? Or does it only count as opinion when it matches yours, and anything else is indicative of jealous immaturity? Rhetorical question.



BTW, I'm not impressed by her acting, and I've seen Ex Machina, Anna Karenina and whatever that horrible wiki leaks movie was called (I keep wanting to call it The Fifth Element, but I know that's not right). But okay.

Lol then what the hell are you doing here?

 

[jcsepjj]

I see what you mean and agree to a certain part but again, for me it´s a combination.



Changing subject, have this video been posted here? It's from Comic Con, I haven't been so excited for this movie but my interest have grown.



http://uk.eonline.com/news/677636/a...-in-the-face-and-he-had-no-idea-it-was-coming

I'm very excited for this movie, especially Alicias part. It's her first ever comedy/action and from what I've heard of the people who has seen it, it's really good. Some girls that run a Cavill fan site say Alicia completely stole the show in this one. And the chemestry between Alicia and Armie is pretty clear, both from trailer and interviews. Can't wait to see it!

 

[Kyoko Karenina]

And all these magazine covers and fashion contracts have of course nothing to do with the fact that she has loads of films coming out, right? The quality of the films is everyone's own subjective opinion but the PR push doesn't come out of the nowhere. They're doing this to get attention for the films as well which also means it doesn't have to be her personal publicist pushing all this but the films' one's. She's no Kim Kardashian who's famous for being famous. She has an actual talent. Sex tape appearances don't get you into SAG-AFTRA. When I hear it-girl I think of Paris Hilton and that's not what she is.
And funny enough no one complained about JLaw or Shailene Woodley when they got shoved down our throats. Let me think, maybe because they don't date an envied for bachelor.

I think you need to re-read my post that you quoted for an answer to your first question.

And there has been backlash against both JLaw & Shailene. If the reason people dislike AV was only because she's dating Fassbender, by that logic the same people would have hated all his past girlfriends too. But, people seemed to like Nicole way more than this girl (you know, not counting the obvious racists).

 

[Kyoko Karenina]

I don't think Alicia's fans can be held responsible for the offensive and vile things that other people say about her. I don't know where you have run into those fans but it's not something I've encountered.


Lol then what the hell are you doing here?

I've already answered that, in this very thread! It's not that long, maybe you can find it. Short answer: this is not a fan forum.

 

[BagBerry13]

I think you need to re-read my post that you quoted for an answer to your first question.

And there has been backlash against both JLaw & Shailene. If the reason people dislike AV was only because she's dating Fassbender, by that logic the same people would have hated all his past girlfriends too. But, people seemed to like Nicole way more than this girl (you know, not counting the obvious racists).

Oh please! You know as well as I that none of the other girlfriends got the same kind of exposure. Which might be racist in itself given how Hollywood works. She gets all the hate because she's becoming successful on a high level. Nicole did one movie I know of and then only TV. Of course they liked her. She didn't have much time to say the wrong things or being misquoted. She simply didn't get the kind of exposure in the media. All his other ex-girls I don't even know. So this relationship is way more high profile than his others.