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Sharing for a friend because I’m curious how many will agree with my solution/ reaction to this::

Relationship with SA for a few years and SA has promised several things that never materialized. Ex: she has been very loyal and SA knows this, SA is promising a very specific bag she has been waiting for, SA is saying it is on the way for years now. SA promised an invitation to a VIP dinner event and the “event” allegedly cancelled at the last minute with a strange story, etc. Imagine all these scenarios x10 and she began to suspect the SA is just making up stories at this point. SA has offered her bags she likes several times and she replies right away; yet, SA then tells her the bags were allocated for other clients = Bad faith offers. SA has come through with some offers 2x a year+, but she really wants the dream bag and at this point she doesn’t think it’s coming. Right now spend is 5x with the SA and no offers other than the bad faith offers in the last year (SA has made the dream bag sound imminent)

My reaction is the SA is milking her for sales knowing she spends a lot and I think she should find a way to complain where she feels comfortable doing so. She wants to keep waiting hoping the bag will come, but she also wants to change stores and find a new SA.

Do you agree with me that she should write everything out and send it up the chain?
I’m confused. Can you clarify one thing? Is your friend purchasing 2x QBs per year? If so, she’s going to the bottom of the list on her actual dream bag every time she accepts something that is not.

Separately has she ever attended a VIP event? How did she spend on that occasion?
 
I’m confused. Can you clarify one thing? Is your friend purchasing 2x QBs per year? If so, she’s going to the bottom of the list on her actual dream bag every time she accepts something that is not.

Separately has she ever attended a VIP event? How did she spend on that occasion?
She hasn’t purchased a qb in over a year and I don’t know the answer to the VIP event question
 
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She hasn’t purchased a qb in over a year and I don’t know the answer to the VIP event question

The SA either has a head in the clouds, or intentionally stringing along.

If the former, then your friend has her own decision to make about moving to another SA. If the latter - I would definitely vote for complaint (in an inquisitive, nice way...."hi manager, is it normal for...just inquiring for my understanding and to set realistic expecations etc" ).

Re: the VIP event/invite related things - Ive run into many SAs (H and non-H) who genuinely want their client to be invited/genuinely believe their client qualifies for XYZ. They get excited to tell their client only to find out whoops, my client doesnt make the invite list.

For the offers - is the SA straight up calling, texting, or showing your friend the offer, and then pulling the rug from underneath your friend when she accepts? Or just high level "yes we should have one in soon" kind of exchange? If it is an official offer, and then the exact piece was then sold to someone else, and it happened more than once....thats definitely complaint valid territory.

I can understand if it is an out-of-the-blue offer that is not relevant to the clients wishlist, and the SA is simply asking if the client would be interested or not. And even in that case, I am sure H has an unofficial process in place to prevent 10 SAs from offering 10 clients the same bag at the same time.
 
SA has come through with some offers 2x a year+, but she really wants the dream bag and at this point she doesn’t think it’s coming. Right now spend is 5x with the SA
If your friend is getting 2+ offers a year on 5X spend, her SA is actually doing well for her.
I maintain a 5X spend * easily between twice yearly offers, and my SA has explained that the bag I want simply hasn’t been allocated to him for any of his clients. (even though he thought this would not be a problem some months ago). An SA cannot deliver a bag to anyone, no matter how high a prespend, if it is not approved by the SM. As for events, I was told that SMs want to make sure that as many clients get invited to smaller micro events. If her Sa feels that your friend has been taken care of and needs to placate clients who haven’t had 2 offers a year, I can easily imagine that the SM will want the SA to invite others. I can also imagine a SM refusing to authorize an invite if another client who hasn’t gotten offers needs something positive. But, even a great client won’t get invited to all or the most coveted.

By the way, I do not consider my 5X plus spend as anything out of the ordinary, and I honestly do not think that in this environment, your friend should think that a 5X spend merits ‘dream’ bags that are usually push offers. I have friends who can easily spend 5X- 8x per visit. If you are frustrated that your friend doesn’t want to complain to management but keeps discussing it with you, perhaps that is something you might take up with her. It sounds like she doesn’t really understand that her SA is NOT in charge of who gets what bag, yet the SA cannot criticize the SM. it’s very likely that the SM could have told the SA one thing, and then changed her mind. Some years ago, my SA was trained that it wasn’t spend that mattered but rather client loyalty to the brand. Unfortunately, that is not how management currently perceives it.

* I stopped counting at 5X plus and in my competitive Maison, I am not a VIP by any means. With the offers that I have rejected, my orespend has grown. If your friend has an issue, then I agree with @craven to simply start over with someone else. But, in the current competitive environment, there is no guarantee that another SA can or will act differently. I also agree with others that complaining to management won’t help, bc I do believe that it’s management that decides who gets what offer, not the SA.

ETA: prespend should only be for clients who genuinely love boutique merchandise. It does not actually entitle anyone to a ‘dream’ bag. If an SA was led to believe that she could offer x dream bag to someone, it isn’t the SAs fault if her SM changes her mind. Which is what I think happens in many of these cases. And, for all of us who think that the SA should just come clean and ‘tell the truth,’ one solid reason why the SA does not do that is it can be against corporate policy. So blame the company, not the SA. If it were up to an SA, they’d award coveted bags to everyone. the SA doesn’t get commission from any bag offer.

ETA : at the end of the day, the client has the ultimate authority bc she can stop spending. A reseller can be easier and cheaper and more certain.
 
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Sharing for a friend because I’m curious how many will agree with my solution/ reaction to this::

Relationship with SA for a few years and SA has promised several things that never materialized. Ex: she has been very loyal and SA knows this, SA is promising a very specific bag she has been waiting for, SA is saying it is on the way for years now. SA promised an invitation to a VIP dinner event and the “event” allegedly cancelled at the last minute with a strange story, etc. Imagine all these scenarios x10 and she began to suspect the SA is just making up stories at this point. SA has offered her bags she likes several times and she replies right away; yet, SA then tells her the bags were allocated for other clients = Bad faith offers. SA has come through with some offers 2x a year+, but she really wants the dream bag and at this point she doesn’t think it’s coming. Right now spend is 5x with the SA and no offers other than the bad faith offers in the last year (SA has made the dream bag sound imminent)

My reaction is the SA is milking her for sales knowing she spends a lot and I think she should find a way to complain where she feels comfortable doing so. She wants to keep waiting hoping the bag will come, but she also wants to change stores and find a new SA.

Do you agree with me that she should write everything out and send it up the chain?
There are many wise people with different approaches here. Personally, I would call the Store Manager and share the situation and ask for advice. I would package this more of seeking guidance than a complaint. As a first step
 
There are many wise people with different approaches here. Personally, I would call the Store Manager and share the situation and ask for advice. I would package this more of seeking guidance than a complaint. As a first step
Agree that asking for guidance is a good idea, but I would suggest asking the SA for clarity before contacting the SM. IMO, it doesn’t sound like she has very good communication with her SA.
 
Agree that asking for guidance is a good idea, but I would suggest asking the SA for clarity before contacting the SM. IMO, it doesn’t sound like she has very good communication with her SA.
Completely agree with this. Going to the SM before attempting to speak with the SA just simply wouldn’t bode well even with a new SA since they all talk.
 
I would not call the SM. The SM may already be declining the bag offers in favour of other clients if the bags never come through. If the SA is stringing her along then she’s not the only client she’s doing it to and the SM likely knows. Complaining to the SM isn’t getting her a dream bag esp if she’s getting 2x per year. I’d go resale if she can find an authentic bag or wait it out.

Does she know for sure the dream bag was ordered by the store? If it’s not ordered and they don’t order it for her, it is never coming unless it’s a push offer.
 
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I know the prespend is a big thing in a lot of stores due to the high demand and you want to keep profile up but just talk to the SA. If the answer isn't what you would have want it to be change to another. Most times people are not aware of the impact of their communication. It might just be a misunderstanding or different point of view/expectations.
 
Sharing for a friend because I’m curious how many will agree with my solution/ reaction to this::

Relationship with SA for a few years and SA has promised several things that never materialized. Ex: she has been very loyal and SA knows this, SA is promising a very specific bag she has been waiting for, SA is saying it is on the way for years now. SA promised an invitation to a VIP dinner event and the “event” allegedly cancelled at the last minute with a strange story, etc. Imagine all these scenarios x10 and she began to suspect the SA is just making up stories at this point. SA has offered her bags she likes several times and she replies right away; yet, SA then tells her the bags were allocated for other clients = Bad faith offers. SA has come through with some offers 2x a year+, but she really wants the dream bag and at this point she doesn’t think it’s coming. Right now spend is 5x with the SA and no offers other than the bad faith offers in the last year (SA has made the dream bag sound imminent)

My reaction is the SA is milking her for sales knowing she spends a lot and I think she should find a way to complain where she feels comfortable doing so. She wants to keep waiting hoping the bag will come, but she also wants to change stores and find a new SA.

Do you agree with me that she should write everything out and send it up the chain?
This SA could just be an idiot :shrugs: I have seen this happen with SAs who aren't very bright and don't necessarily understand how to offer bags (especially non-leather SAs) - they make an offer usually w/o SM approval, and the bag goes to someone else.

From what you say, your "friend" has gotten 2+ offers/year until the last year - that's pretty good - over three years that's 6-8 bags plus whatever other pieces she may have bought - I wouldn't be surprised if that's considered enough bags until the "dream bag" shows up. Since you won't clarify what the "dream bag" is, hard to know, but if it's a push offer, stores outside Paris do NOT know if those are arriving.

"5x spend" is meaningless out of context, could be $25K or $125K; if it's on the lower end, this is not a thing. If we are talking the average, say $60K, that IS enough to justify clarifying what's up.

Anyway, concur with those who say that going to the SM or management will just rebound on the client. If she wants to change stores, she should go try out the other store. The SAs there can see that she's spent a good amount at Store A and therefore will be a good client at Store B. She can also just ask to change SAs within the existing store. But she should try to figure out what is actually happening first.
 
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