Maintaining an H relationship

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Hi! I started my Hermes journey a year ago. I went in to buy shoes. I was always curious about the brand and felt I was finally at a point in my life where I could start to invest in it. It was my first time walking into a boutique. The SA that helped me that day has ended up being my SA over the past year. Within the first few visits, I was offered a Jypsiere 28 bag in gold. Because I asked him about bags and why there were none in the store to look at or try on. I was so confused and clueless. lol I showed him a picture of the jypsiere bc I had seen it somewhere and loved it. I really did not know much about the brand but I have been obsessed since I first stopped in and have learned so much over the past year. I feel like I probably overpaid for my first bag. I love it don't get me wrong, but close to or above $9000 for a bag that apparently no one really likes that much sometimes sits on my mind. But either way, I do really love it so it's ok. My SA has always been good with texting or responding to my texts over the past year. So far to date I have spent about $17,000. (including an online purchase today) I texted him the other day to finally tell him my wish list of the bags I am looking for. I told him that I would love to have a Kelly and told him what colors and leathers I would love. He never responded. I feel a little aggravated because all he had to do was say, sure I will make a note about it. But never responding when I can see that it says "read" feels like a slap in the face. I am NOwhere near an annoying client. I never bother him. At this point, I feel I am well within my rights to say what I would love and create a wish list. I am not expecting an offer. But I am expecting someone who is willing to work with me to try to help me and keep me posted on some things that come in that I may be interested in. So now I am turned off and wondering if I should find someone else to work with? I am NOT about to play this game that's for sure. I've heard so many nightmare stories of the games people have to play. It's not who I am and not in my being. I can't do it. So if this is what I have to look forward to now that I have been hooked in, I am not sure what to do. Does anyone else feel their fun and easy relationship with their SA suddenly take a turn?
My SA is always very responsive to text however the response has been slower during these times. They might be just busy. If you can stop by to the store, that is probably better.
 
This is such an interesting discussion, it’s never occurred to me to buy things so that sales people would get commission from my purchases. Obviously I don’t want to waste anyones time, but as a customer it’s not something i ve ever worried about. I would love to hear from anyone who is familiar with the retail system in the U.K. or EU regarding who gets commission and when.
My FSH SA assures me that they are not on commission. There may be sales goals or department milestones, but ive never inquired. I would still always prefer to shop with an SA with whom I have a relationship. That person knows my taste; knows what I own. It simplifies things.
 
@ladysarah I think most retail establishments in London have either individual or group commission.
If someone gives me good service but I cant make an instant decision re; purchase I always get the SA's name so I can ensure the sale gets credited to them if I do return to buy it (thats if I haven't asked them to put it on 'hold'.
I think a good sales person is one that sells not with commission in mind but with a genuine interest in the customers requirements and style.
 
This is such an interesting discussion, it’s never occurred to me to buy things so that sales people would get commission from my purchases. Obviously I don’t want to waste anyones time, but as a customer it’s not something i ve ever worried about. I would love to hear from anyone who is familiar with the retail system in the U.K. or EU regarding who gets commission and when.
I am in the US and even if they SA does not obtain commission per transaction (Such as my chanel SA who does not earn commission on sales but has quotas) they have store quotas to maintain and are there to sell sell sell. I couldn’t imagine an unproductive SA at a luxury retailer maintaining their jobs without selling (even when no independent commission is earned) store merchandise. In the US, if you are not producing at these stores, you are likely to have a short shelf life in sales. Curious how Europe differs.
 
Hi! I started my Hermes journey a year ago. I went in to buy shoes. I was always curious about the brand and felt I was finally at a point in my life where I could start to invest in it. It was my first time walking into a boutique. The SA that helped me that day has ended up being my SA over the past year. Within the first few visits, I was offered a Jypsiere 28 bag in gold. Because I asked him about bags and why there were none in the store to look at or try on. I was so confused and clueless. lol I showed him a picture of the jypsiere bc I had seen it somewhere and loved it. I really did not know much about the brand but I have been obsessed since I first stopped in and have learned so much over the past year. I feel like I probably overpaid for my first bag. I love it don't get me wrong, but close to or above $9000 for a bag that apparently no one really likes that much sometimes sits on my mind. But either way, I do really love it so it's ok. My SA has always been good with texting or responding to my texts over the past year. So far to date I have spent about $17,000. (including an online purchase today) I texted him the other day to finally tell him my wish list of the bags I am looking for. I told him that I would love to have a Kelly and told him what colors and leathers I would love. He never responded. I feel a little aggravated because all he had to do was say, sure I will make a note about it. But never responding when I can see that it says "read" feels like a slap in the face. I am NOwhere near an annoying client. I never bother him. At this point, I feel I am well within my rights to say what I would love and create a wish list. I am not expecting an offer. But I am expecting someone who is willing to work with me to try to help me and keep me posted on some things that come in that I may be interested in. So now I am turned off and wondering if I should find someone else to work with? I am NOT about to play this game that's for sure. I've heard so many nightmare stories of the games people have to play. It's not who I am and not in my being. I can't do it. So if this is what I have to look forward to now that I have been hooked in, I am not sure what to do. Does anyone else feel their fun and easy relationship with their SA suddenly take a turn?
Spending $9k on a bag is a lot, but you need to value it based on your wants and style not what others talk about online. Social media really has done a number on us: we’ve lost our individuality and instead place personal value on material things based on what others have or want. I personally quite like the Jypsiere - it’s a bag I’ve wanted for a while but never seems to be available.

On being frustrated: I’ve been working with my SA for over a decade. We primarily correspond by text and she generally responds within a couple of hours when I text her. The only two exceptions were when I sent her a pic of a (non-quota) bag - both times she never responded. Based on this completely non-representative sample set, I have deduced that SAs are not allowed to discuss bags by electronic means. As @880 may say, though, YMMV.
 
Some of this is not actually lower priced, but premier retail tends to rank accessories clients in a lesser tier than RTW or home.
Thank you for the detailed response, this makes a lot of sense :amuse: Always learning so much from you!

The term 'first floor merchandise' is hardly verbiage.
It is a figure of speech and not related to the physical nature of every store.
I meant verbiage as exactly what you said - word choice / diction / figure of speech :tup:
 
I’ve met many SAs of different premier brands (H, Chanel, Dior, Brunello) who have expressed sentiments about first floor merchandise. When an SA talks about first floor goods, they mean cosmetics, perfume, sunglasses, small accessories like hair clips, fashion bangles, horn jewelry, as per @gogingercat . Some of this is not actually lower priced, but premier retail tends to rank accessories clients in a lesser tier than RTW or home. Chanel is the most infamous for this as per many posts by @TraceySH. I think it’s ironic that Hermes does this too, since H is arguably most well known for its top coveted accessory the B/K/C. There are high value exceptions to first floor merchandise (for example, Chanel 57 has fine jewelry on the first floor, and Hermes has men’s bags and equestrian on one). The reason why this is relevant to an SA relationship, is that people seem to ask all the time on this thread if they should stick to a junior SA who they met when they bought a scarf, or find a more senior SA (to help them get a bag). I say, stick with one with whom you feel comfortable bc some SAs do rotate and a junior SA might even have a lower caseload and be better situated to help.

An experienced SA, at least once you get to know them, might profess dislike of door duty or first floor service, not only bc the smaller items lead to less selling opportunity, but also bc these items tend to attract walk in clients or what they call museum clients. I tease my Dior SA that I met him as a walk in lol. SAs are trained never to dismiss a client based on what he is wearing bc a billionaire could walk in wearing flip flops and a t shirt, but they have mentioned looking for museum like behavior. (When a client walks around, hands behind their back) not interacting with merchandise. These clients are ones that are in the store perhaps bc their reservation at the restaurant next door is delayed, or bc they wish to signal that they are simply browsing and do not wish to be disturbed. I’ve heard this concept expressed by numerous SAs.

Finally, someone above commented on my mention of shoes. I was careless in lumping shoes together with first floor. I meant footwear is a popular category that sells itself, and it can be a drain time wise. A client may ask to see five different pairs to try on, and walk out with none, if none fit. Or, a client may come in and buy five pairs if they know their size. Or a client may try on five or more pairs, walk around, and then demand a fresh pair, which the SA may not have. It is also a category likely to generate returns. No SA is compensated for the time lost in processing a return. A client may also simply stick to shoes and accessories and not graduate to RTW or home, so might lack the potential for growth.

Basically, corporate would like an SA to add as much merchandise to an individual sale as possible. The assumption is that one is less likely to generate high end sale figures or start a fruitful relationship with a walk in client for a single scarf or trinket. Conversely, the assumption is one is more likely to pad a sale for a RTW client who will then need shoes or accessories or perhaps items for the home or gifts. Other TPF members have disagreed, but it’s my strong impression that experienced SAs tend not to want new clients unless that client has the potential to generate maximum income. For Chanel, it’s bc a regular client tends to require special requests (for reserves, sales, or coveted bags), and they dont have the bandwidth or time to take on newcomers without substantial reward. My Chanel SA has refused the last potential client I suggested. For a H SA, they have a hard time fulfilling the expectations of their current clientele.

Commission and bonuses are structured so time is money. If they are rotated down to door duty, they have less opportunity to maximize their selling potential or work with regular clientele. I would not blame an SA for this kind of behavior but rather the corporate culture that cares more about shareholders than customers. apologies for the super lengthy post :smile:
Well said and applause. :)

Just a few things to add:
=> Hermes is obsessed with growth in all their metiers. Hence, H SAs might get mission to sell certain metiers. For example, cosmetics. This is a first floor merchandise but my SA told me these purchases are important to them as well. Hint: it’s a good time to buy their new launched eyeshadow quads and mascaras. Especially the mascaras. Lol.
=> certain country, there is commission cap per month. So, time of the month is important as well. Lol.
=> mission could be also be set for new customers. So, SAs lean towards new customers with the limited stock they can sell. If you observed, many newbies get mini Evelyn and picotin as their first H bags. While I did not manage to get any mini Evelyn for being an almost 3 year old customer at 1 store, there are always new customers who managed to buy them.
 
first floor merchandise but my SA told me these purchases are important to them as well. Hint: it’s a good time to buy their new launched eyeshadow quads and mascaras. Especially the mascaras. Lol.
=> certain country, there is commission cap per month. So, time of the month is important as well
Agree 100% :smile: I don’t mean to denigrate cosmetics. It’s a very important metier for the bottom line for Hermes as a company. I was simply commenting on the SA perception of growth oriented relationships with accessory and first floor clients vis-a-vis RTW and home clients. Here is an interesting article that discusses the importance of beauty lines

 
Agree 100% :smile: I don’t mean to denigrate cosmetics. It’s a very important metier for the bottom line for Hermes as a company. I was simply commenting on the SA perception of growth oriented relationships with accessory and first floor clients vis-a-vis RTW and home clients. Here is an interesting article that discusses the importance of beauty lines

Fascinating that H (and Chanel) have kept their production in house. I’d say the most commercially AND ALSO actually successful (meaning quality product) makeup supplier is Armani Beauty, followed at a distance by YSL. Their cosmetics seem better formulated than the other ateliers. Tom Ford has seen rapid improvements in their formulations and the brand’s fragrance has lifted to impressive heights. What they have in common is an external expert. Chanel Beauty obviously has a cult following but their cosmetics fall to the bottom (of a very luxury) quality formulation pile for me and Hermes’ cosmetics seem to be merely tolerated by brand enthusiasts, rather than exclaimed right now (just talking makeup not fragrance…love me some Twilly Ginger).

The Dumas family has high standards and will continue to bring in the highest quality control, but I wonder if the product would have been better if they had outsourced it from the start.

Apologies for the tome on this perhaps unpopular opinion topic. 😂
 
Apologies in advance if this is not the correct thread for this post. I need help setting realistic expectations.
I’ve been shopping at DC for almost 4 months, have spent 20k on non-leather merchandise over four visits with my SA who I genuinely like. Couple of weeks ago I was at the boutique with a friend from here and she was letting me try her K28 while my SA was getting some men’s RTW for me to see. After my SA came back he asked if I had loved the 28 size and I said yes, I do. SA said well since you are coming in for your birthday (next week and I had just made the appointment with him in advance before he went to check RTW) I’ll keep you in mind. I said well I’m sure you have lots of clients looking for bags as gifts at this time of the year. He said something like don’t need to worry about that because I have you in mind. Then he showed me the display bags and I tried an Evelyn.
That was the bag discussion. SA didn’t ask about my color or hardware preferences but when we were discussing how much I loved the K28 I did say I would like the retourne style.
He knows I only like bags with shoulder straps and when he asked if I wanted to try the Lindy from the display I said no.

I don’t want to get my hopes up when I go back for my birthday shopping next week. I’ve been wanting a watch strap and that’s all that I’ll probably get especially since I just shopped quite a bit a couple of weeks ago. If I’m not offered a bag should I bring it up?

Thanks for putting up with my neurotic thoughts! I’m sure getting my first H bag will be special no matter when it happens 😊
 
Apologies in advance if this is not the correct thread for this post. I need help setting realistic expectations.
I’ve been shopping at DC for almost 4 months, have spent 20k on non-leather merchandise over four visits with my SA who I genuinely like. Couple of weeks ago I was at the boutique with a friend from here and she was letting me try her K28 while my SA was getting some men’s RTW for me to see. After my SA came back he asked if I had loved the 28 size and I said yes, I do. SA said well since you are coming in for your birthday (next week and I had just made the appointment with him in advance before he went to check RTW) I’ll keep you in mind. I said well I’m sure you have lots of clients looking for bags as gifts at this time of the year. He said something like don’t need to worry about that because I have you in mind. Then he showed me the display bags and I tried an Evelyn.
That was the bag discussion. SA didn’t ask about my color or hardware preferences but when we were discussing how much I loved the K28 I did say I would like the retourne style.
He knows I only like bags with shoulder straps and when he asked if I wanted to try the Lindy from the display I said no.

I don’t want to get my hopes up when I go back for my birthday shopping next week. I’ve been wanting a watch strap and that’s all that I’ll probably get especially since I just shopped quite a bit a couple of weeks ago. If I’m not offered a bag should I bring it up?

Thanks for putting up with my neurotic thoughts! I’m sure getting my first H bag will be special no matter when it happens 😊
Nothing is promised but you’re doing just fine on spend and it sounds like you’re fairly low key. Re color and hardware, have your previous purchases followed a trend that your SA has picked up on (brights vs neutrals, warm vs cool). While the K28 is not as popular as the 25, it’s still extremely in demand and SA may have something specific in mind from the very limited stock that exists. From there, he may try to tailor it to your presumed preferences.

Truly fingers crossed that one is coming to you. That said, if it does, but it doesn’t sing to you, don’t take it. I learned that the hard way trying to make my first K work.
 
Fascinating that H (and Chanel) have kept their production in house. I’d say the most commercially AND ALSO actually successful (meaning quality product) makeup supplier is Armani Beauty, followed at a distance by YSL. Their cosmetics seem better formulated than the other ateliers. Tom Ford has seen rapid improvements in their formulations and the brand’s fragrance has lifted to impressive heights. What they have in common is an external expert. Chanel Beauty obviously has a cult following but their cosmetics fall to the bottom (of a very luxury) quality formulation pile for me and Hermes’ cosmetics seem to be merely tolerated by brand enthusiasts, rather than exclaimed right now (just talking makeup not fragrance…love me some Twilly Ginger).

The Dumas family has high standards and will continue to bring in the highest quality control, but I wonder if the product would have been better if they had outsourced it from the start.

Apologies for the tome on this perhaps unpopular opinion topic. 😂
I agree with you 100%. Personally it feels like a non-cosmetic person is in control of these decisions.
 
I agree with you 100%. Personally it feels like a non-cosmetic person is in control of these decisions.
Agree. As per the Eye Makeup Market Share War article, Jerome Touron, who was responsible for Chanel and Dior beauty, did the formulation of H cosmetics, but CEO Axel Dumas was personally responsible for quality control
 
Thank you. I appreciate your response. It makes sense that these conversations should be in person. I did not even think about that. I will bring it up again when I am back in the store.
Yes, what 880 said is so true. I have been shopping with my SA at BH store for the past six years, and I knew from the beginning it is going to be tough because of the location. He had missed some of my texts in the past but this year he is really lagging. I would just give him some time before texting again, and he would respond to whatever I had asked for and apologize for not getting back to me. I don't take it personally because I know they are very busy, especially around holidays.

On the side note, I have been waiting for my second Kelly for over a year, the last time when I saw him, he told me that he hasn't forgotten about my Kelly. I have a feeling that I am not getting my Kelly this year :noworry: In general, I am very patient, I shop what I really like and enjoy.

Good Luck with your Kelly :smile:
 
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