Maintaining an H relationship

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Thanks for the quick replies!
I am torn as I want the bag but do prefer to give my SA the sale like you suggest @DB8
Did you mean asking my SA if she can order from the website when it pops up, or order thru the SM/ transfer from another store?

If she had been clearer about how often they receive them I’d be open to waiting, but if the one she had in April was it for the year idk if I want to wait another 6 mos
This is a huge bag and the stores order very very few huge bags because they are so difficult to sell. I rarely advise anyone to buy from the website as its terrible for your store profile but in this case, I would definitely grab it from online if it pops up as I genuinely believe the store won't have another one any time (read: months/years) soon.
 
Honestly, as I read your post, I could sense agitation pouring out. You wrote that you love your jypserie 28, but you felt like you overpaid. Under those circumstances, i would have advised you simply not to get it. I think the jypserie 28 is quite popular among those of us who have it, but if you don’t feel like it is worth the money, then it isn’t a good purchase.

You also mentioned that you felt like your SA was playing games simply be he did not respond to your texted wish list. if you’ve read any of the local shopping threads; the H relationship thread; the prespend thread; or a host of others, it should be pretty clear that an H SA, during the holiday season, gets dozens of texts daily. They get no extra time to respond to these texts bc they have to prioritize the walk ins who want to see five different styles of loafer or three types of lip gloss.

Those who spend time in this subforum also eventually get the message that the timeframe of being offered a bag isn’t up to the individual SA. While there is no official linked selling allowed, most of us in calculating prespend do not include leather bags or on line purchases, like @acrowcounted mentioned above. Items that are relatively easy to sell such as shoes or first floor merchandise dont seem to get as much credit as metiers like home or RTW.

I would suggest that you read the shopping thread of your local boutique to get a sense of how long it takes to get a bag or wish list going. It may take longer for reasons that have nothing to do with you, such as the fact that other clients have been waiting, or your SA may not be authorized to offer a bag of your specs at all. Your SA cannot offer you the bag of your choice if he is not given a shot at that bag. It was explained to me in a very direct fashion that if your SA is not a leather SA, it Is harder for them to get access to coveted bags, much less pass an offer to a particular client.

So unfortunately, I would say that what you’ve experienced isn’t a game at all. Its the reality of boutique shopping. (I would not take any of this — least of all whether a text is answered or ignored — personally). If you want to reach out to your SA via text, I would make an appt as others above have suggested. Good luck
 
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This is a huge bag and the stores order very very few huge bags because they are so difficult to sell. I rarely advise anyone to buy from the website as its terrible for your store profile but in this case, I would definitely grab it from online if it pops up as I genuinely believe the store won't have another one any time (read: months/years) soon.

Appreciate your expertise! With this in mind I’ll grab it the next time I see it. It has been pretty regularly included in bag drops but wanted to check with my SA and the more seasoned folks here before proceeding. It may have just been serendipitous that she got one in at MP a month after I’d originally inquired in the spring
Thank you!
 
The company in general prefers not to have bag discussions over written communication, lest any response they give somehow be taken as a guarantee. Even just saying he will take note of it can be taken wrong by some over zealous clients as a promise of delivery. I recommend always keeping these discussions to in person chats which also makes it easier to go more in depth and sus out how likely a request is to be fulfilled, given facial expressions and body language. Also, if your prespend sum includes the price of the jypsiere, I'm afraid you are likely still a long ways away from being competitive for a Kelly offer so your SA may just feel like its not a good use of his time to discuss it right now anyway. Regardless, this is all perfectly standard for an Hermes SA and I would not recommend switching because its not likely to be different with any one else (also, shopping on the website does not help, and likely hurts, your store standing so I would avoid doing that in the future as well).
Thank you. I appreciate your response. It makes sense that these conversations should be in person. I did not even think about that. I will bring it up again when I am back in the store.
 
What exactly does “first floor merchandise” mean? I’ve heard this verbiage before and it’s confusing to me because at my store, home is on the first floor and shoes are on the second floor :smile:
I think maybe lower priced items in general (fragrance, beauty, silks, belts)? But my store too has home on the first floor and women's shoes on the second floor. I feel like the men's and womens shoes are located next to their respective RTWs so you might be inclined to shop for shoes while you browse RTW and vice versa. Honestly this might be because my home store is quite small, I have no idea what it's like at other boutiques.
 
Everything 880 and Acrowcounted mentioned plus I’ll share my own experience:

As a newbie myself, I only started shopping regularly since fall 2021, and yes, two years in the H world is still considered “new”, I’d like to share that my SA didn’t respond to my texts “promptly” until I’ve spent well into 5 figure, not counting bags.

I understand your frustration. At the beginning I had lots of doubts myself and I look for answers by going through hundreds of posts in the relationship thread, quota thread and local store thread.

Reading those helped me understand how stores operates in the USA and the knowledge has helped me being a more patient H shopper and not take things personally. :)
 
Honestly, as I read your post, I could sense agitation pouring out. You wrote that you love your jypserie 28, but you felt like you overpaid. Under those circumstances, i would have advised you simply not to get it. I think the jypserie 28 is quite popular among those of us who have it, but if you don’t feel like it is worth the money, then it isn’t a good purchase.

You also mentioned that you felt like your SA was playing games simply be he did not respond to your texted wish list. if you’ve read any of the local shopping threads; the H relationship thread; the prespend thread; or a host of others, it should be pretty clear that an H SA, during the holiday season, gets dozens of texts daily. They get no extra time to respond to these texts bc they have to prioritize the walk ins who want to see five different styles of loafer or three types of lip gloss.

Those who spend time in this subforum also eventually get the message that the timeframe of being offered a bag isn’t up to the individual SA. While there is no official linked selling allowed, most of us in calculating prespend do not include leather bags or on line purchases, like @acrowcounted mentioned above. Items that are relatively easy to sell such as shoes or first floor merchandise dont seem to get as much credit as metiers like home or RTW.

I would suggest that you read the shopping thread of your local boutique to get a sense of how long it takes to get a bag or wish list going. It may take longer for reasons that have nothing to do with you, such as the fact that other clients have been waiting, or your SA may not be authorized to offer a bag of your specs at all. Your SA cannot offer you the bag of your choice if he is not given a shot at that bag. It was explained to me in a very direct fashion that if your SA is not a leather SA, it Is harder for them to get access to coveted bags, much less pass an offer to a particular client.

So unfortunately, I would say that what you’ve experienced isn’t a game at all. Its the reality of boutique shopping. (I would not take any of this — least of all whether a text is answered or ignored — personally). If you want to reach out to your SA via text, I would make an appt as others above have suggested. Good luck


Spot on.

The term 'first floor merchandise' is hardly verbiage.
It is a figure of speech and not related to the physical nature of every store.

I can understand why someone, who had previously experienced immediate text responses from their SA, would be concerned that this request had been ignored. I hope that the likely reason for this explained by other posters makes sense. Nonetheless 'aggravated' seems an overreaction, betraying a sense of entitlement, of which perhaps the OP was unaware. However this might just be an unfortunate choice of language that can so easily trip us up in these posts.
 
Appreciate your expertise! With this in mind I’ll grab it the next time I see it. It has been pretty regularly included in bag drops but wanted to check with my SA and the more seasoned folks here before proceeding. It may have just been serendipitous that she got one in at MP a month after I’d originally inquired in the spring
Thank you!
It would also be good to let your SA know that you will be getting the bag online since it's quite difficult to get one from her. Hear what she has to say...

From my personal experience, there was something I wanted in pink which was available online and I went to the store to check with my SA. She only had blue and was surprised that pink was available online. With her blessings, I ordered the item. This wouldn't hurt the relationship imo. Good to be transparent with your SA.
 
Hi! I started my Hermes journey a year ago. I went in to buy shoes. I was always curious about the brand and felt I was finally at a point in my life where I could start to invest in it. It was my first time walking into a boutique. The SA that helped me that day has ended up being my SA over the past year. Within the first few visits, I was offered a Jypsiere 28 bag in gold. Because I asked him about bags and why there were none in the store to look at or try on. I was so confused and clueless. lol I showed him a picture of the jypsiere bc I had seen it somewhere and loved it. I really did not know much about the brand but I have been obsessed since I first stopped in and have learned so much over the past year. I feel like I probably overpaid for my first bag. I love it don't get me wrong, but close to or above $9000 for a bag that apparently no one really likes that much sometimes sits on my mind. But either way, I do really love it so it's ok. My SA has always been good with texting or responding to my texts over the past year. So far to date I have spent about $17,000. (including an online purchase today) I texted him the other day to finally tell him my wish list of the bags I am looking for. I told him that I would love to have a Kelly and told him what colors and leathers I would love. He never responded. I feel a little aggravated because all he had to do was say, sure I will make a note about it. But never responding when I can see that it says "read" feels like a slap in the face. I am NOwhere near an annoying client. I never bother him. At this point, I feel I am well within my rights to say what I would love and create a wish list. I am not expecting an offer. But I am expecting someone who is willing to work with me to try to help me and keep me posted on some things that come in that I may be interested in. So now I am turned off and wondering if I should find someone else to work with? I am NOT about to play this game that's for sure. I've heard so many nightmare stories of the games people have to play. It's not who I am and not in my being. I can't do it. So if this is what I have to look forward to now that I have been hooked in, I am not sure what to do. Does anyone else feel their fun and easy relationship with their SA suddenly take a turn?
Your experience is not personal to you. If u read the last few hundred pages of this thread, u will know that no reply = no. So, I would say this is the typical experience. Try setting a physical appointment to see if your SA will respond.

Anyway, after a while I just walk in to any Hermes I like and buy whatever I want if I really want that item without thinking if it will add on to my profile. If I get an SA I can work with, fine. That expands my network of SAs to get whatever I want.
 
What exactly does “first floor merchandise” mean? I’ve heard this verbiage before and it’s confusing to me because at my store, home is on the first floor and shoes are on the second floor :smile:
I’ve met many SAs of different premier brands (H, Chanel, Dior, Brunello) who have expressed sentiments about first floor merchandise. When an SA talks about first floor goods, they mean cosmetics, perfume, sunglasses, small accessories like hair clips, fashion bangles, horn jewelry, as per @gogingercat . Some of this is not actually lower priced, but premier retail tends to rank accessories clients in a lesser tier than RTW or home. Chanel is the most infamous for this as per many posts by @TraceySH. I think it’s ironic that Hermes does this too, since H is arguably most well known for its top coveted accessory the B/K/C. There are high value exceptions to first floor merchandise (for example, Chanel 57 has fine jewelry on the first floor, and Hermes has men’s bags and equestrian on one). The reason why this is relevant to an SA relationship, is that people seem to ask all the time on this thread if they should stick to a junior SA who they met when they bought a scarf, or find a more senior SA (to help them get a bag). I say, stick with one with whom you feel comfortable bc some SAs do rotate and a junior SA might even have a lower caseload and be better situated to help.

An experienced SA, at least once you get to know them, might profess dislike of door duty or first floor service, not only bc the smaller items lead to less selling opportunity, but also bc these items tend to attract walk in clients or what they call museum clients. I tease my Dior SA that I met him as a walk in lol. SAs are trained never to dismiss a client based on what he is wearing bc a billionaire could walk in wearing flip flops and a t shirt, but they have mentioned looking for museum like behavior. (When a client walks around, hands behind their back) not interacting with merchandise. These clients are ones that are in the store perhaps bc their reservation at the restaurant next door is delayed, or bc they wish to signal that they are simply browsing and do not wish to be disturbed. I’ve heard this concept expressed by numerous SAs.

Finally, someone above commented on my mention of shoes. I was careless in lumping shoes together with first floor. I meant footwear is a popular category that sells itself, and it can be a drain time wise. A client may ask to see five different pairs to try on, and walk out with none, if none fit. Or, a client may come in and buy five pairs if they know their size. Or a client may try on five or more pairs, walk around, and then demand a fresh pair, which the SA may not have. It is also a category likely to generate returns. No SA is compensated for the time lost in processing a return. A client may also simply stick to shoes and accessories and not graduate to RTW or home, so might lack the potential for growth.

Basically, corporate would like an SA to add as much merchandise to an individual sale as possible. The assumption is that one is less likely to generate high end sale figures or start a fruitful relationship with a walk in client for a single scarf or trinket. Conversely, the assumption is one is more likely to pad a sale for a RTW client who will then need shoes or accessories or perhaps items for the home or gifts. Other TPF members have disagreed, but it’s my strong impression that experienced SAs tend not to want new clients unless that client has the potential to generate maximum income. For Chanel, it’s bc a regular client tends to require special requests (for reserves, sales, or coveted bags), and they dont have the bandwidth or time to take on newcomers without substantial reward. My Chanel SA has refused the last potential client I suggested. For a H SA, they have a hard time fulfilling the expectations of their current clientele.

Commission and bonuses are structured so time is money. If they are rotated down to door duty, they have less opportunity to maximize their selling potential or work with regular clientele. I would not blame an SA for this kind of behavior but rather the corporate culture that cares more about shareholders than customers. apologies for the super lengthy post :smile:
 
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I’ve met many SAs of different premier brands (H, Chanel, Dior, Brunello) express sentiments about first floor merchandise. When an SA talks about first floor, they mean merchandise, like cosmetics, perfume, sunglasses, small accessories like hair clips, fashion bangles, horn jewelry, as per @gogingercat . Some of this is not actually lower priced, but premier retail tends to rank accessories clients in a lesser tier than RTW or home. Chanel is the most famous for this as per many posts by @TraceySH. I think it’s ironic that Hermes does this too, since H is arguably most famous for its top coveted accessory the B/K/C. There are exceptions to first floor merchandise (for example, Chanel 57 has fine jewelry on the first floor, and Hermes has men’s bags and equestrian on one). The reason why this is relevant to an SA relationship, is that people seem to ask all the time if they should stick to a junior SA who they met when they bought a scarf, or find a more senior SA (to help them get a bag). I say, stick with one with whom you feel comfortable bc some SAs do rotate and a junior SA might even have a lower caseload and be better situated to help.

An SA, at least once you get to know them, might profess dislike of door duty or first floor service, not only bc the smaller items lead to less selling opportunity, but also bc these items tend to attract walk in clients or what they call museum clients. I tease my Dior SA that I met him as a walk in lol. SAs are trained never to dismiss a client based on what he is wearing bc a billionaire could walk in wearing flip flops and a t shirt, but they have mentioned looking for museum like behavior. (When a client walks around, hands behind their back) not interacting with merchandise. These clients are ones that are in the store perhaps bc their reservation at the restaurant next door is delayed, or bc they wish to signal that they are simply browsing and do not wish to be disturbed. I’ve heard this concept expressed by numerous SAs.

Finally, someone above commented on my mention of shoes. I was careless in lumping shoes together with first floor, but in that context, I meant it was a category that sells itself, and thus not one that draws the highest return in terms of time. A client may ask to see five different pairs to try on, and walk out with none, if none fit. Or, a client may come in and buy five pairs if they know their size. It’s the luck of the draw. Or a client may try on five or more pairs, walk around, and then demand a fresh pair, which the SA may not have.

Basically, corporate would like an SA to add as much merchandise to an individual sale as possible. It’s less likely with a walk in client that starts with one scarf or trinket. Commission and bonuses are structured so time is money. If they are rotated down to door duty, they have less opportunity to maximize their selling potential. I would not blame an SA for this kind of behavior but rather the corporate culture that cares more about shareholders than customers. apologies for the super lengthy post :smile:
Museum clients :lol: That's a good one! I am going to use this :giggle:
 
Hi! I started my Hermes journey a year ago. I went in to buy shoes. I was always curious about the brand and felt I was finally at a point in my life where I could start to invest in it. It was my first time walking into a boutique. The SA that helped me that day has ended up being my SA over the past year. Within the first few visits, I was offered a Jypsiere 28 bag in gold. Because I asked him about bags and why there were none in the store to look at or try on. I was so confused and clueless. lol I showed him a picture of the jypsiere bc I had seen it somewhere and loved it. I really did not know much about the brand but I have been obsessed since I first stopped in and have learned so much over the past year. I feel like I probably overpaid for my first bag. I love it don't get me wrong, but close to or above $9000 for a bag that apparently no one really likes that much sometimes sits on my mind. But either way, I do really love it so it's ok. My SA has always been good with texting or responding to my texts over the past year. So far to date I have spent about $17,000. (including an online purchase today) I texted him the other day to finally tell him my wish list of the bags I am looking for. I told him that I would love to have a Kelly and told him what colors and leathers I would love. He never responded. I feel a little aggravated because all he had to do was say, sure I will make a note about it. But never responding when I can see that it says "read" feels like a slap in the face. I am NOwhere near an annoying client. I never bother him. At this point, I feel I am well within my rights to say what I would love and create a wish list. I am not expecting an offer. But I am expecting someone who is willing to work with me to try to help me and keep me posted on some things that come in that I may be interested in. So now I am turned off and wondering if I should find someone else to work with? I am NOT about to play this game that's for sure. I've heard so many nightmare stories of the games people have to play. It's not who I am and not in my being. I can't do it. So if this is what I have to look forward to now that I have been hooked in, I am not sure what to do. Does anyone else feel their fun and easy relationship with their SA suddenly take a turn?
Popping in to comment that Jysperie is one of my used bags. So great to use on weekends and for travel.

SAs are swamped and have to attend to in store clients as well as all of us via email, text, and WhatsApp. I would recommend requesting an appointing and during appointing bringing up what’s the best way to communicate with her.

When I started shopping with my SA, she would respond if she had it only. As our shopping relationship is now a lot more fluid, she is attentive and responsive. She knows if I text re an item, if she had it, I will buy it. I do not text without intent to buy on spot (unless I need to try on). Hope this helps. Your SA may simply be overworked like most are.
 
This is such an interesting discussion, it’s never occurred to me to buy things so that sales people would get commission from my purchases. Obviously I don’t want to waste anyones time, but as a customer it’s not something i ve ever worried about. I would love to hear from anyone who is familiar with the retail system in the U.K. or EU regarding who gets commission and when.
 
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