Lt. Colonel Johnny Thompson of the Scots Guards and Handsome Men In Kilts **Appreciation Thread

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This is a lovely Getty photo of Jonny. One of the few with a crystal clear view of Jonny's shoulder insignia. His "Prince of Wales" feathers are stunningly beautiful, perched on the edge of his shoulder cords. I wonder if Charles personally gifted those to Jonny or if they are standard military issue for Equerries.

I don't know the proper terminology for Jonny's shoulder insignia. Individually they are a crown, pip/star, and PoW feathers but I do not know if there is a correct military term that refers to all of them as a bunch. I am trying to describe something that I don't have the words for so I apologize for not being more clear about this!

The Royal Regiment of Scotland's "Dress Regulations" manual mention that "1 inch anodised gold Bath stars" are required on the shoulder cords for the No1A Ceremonial uniform we usually see Jonny wearing. Does anyone know what the "Bath star" is? The only other item on his shoulder cords appears to be a button next to the collar.

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Does anyone know what this Uniform is Jonny is wearing here? And what is the stick under his arm for? I know he's giving permission for the Pipe Major to march off from a previous Lonach Gathering (possibly 2019, I took the screenshot from the video) but I've never Jonny wearing this uniform before.

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Lovely to see you all learning some of the vagaries of the many different versions of RRS uniform.

In this scenario, Jonny as Commanding Officer took the salute and granted his permission for the Guard and the Band to March Off, Beating Retreat, returning to barracks.

This ceremony dates back hundreds of years to when, at sunset, the command would be given to Beat Retreat and return to barracks or castle, securing the company for the night. The drums of the band would ‘beat the retreat’.
 
This is a lovely Getty photo of Jonny. One of the few with a crystal clear view of Jonny's shoulder insignia. His "Prince of Wales" feathers are stunningly beautiful, perched on the edge of his shoulder cords. I wonder if Charles personally gifted those to Jonny or if they are standard military issue for Equerries.

I don't know the proper terminology for Jonny's shoulder insignia. Individually they are a crown, pip/star, and PoW feathers but I do not know if there is a correct military term that refers to all of them as a bunch. I am trying to describe something that I don't have the words for so I apologize for not being more clear about this!

The Royal Regiment of Scotland's "Dress Regulations" manual mention that "1 inch anodised gold Bath stars" are required on the shoulder cords for the No1A Ceremonial uniform we usually see Jonny wearing. Does anyone know what the "Bath star" is? The only other item on his shoulder cords appears to be a button next to the collar.

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They are issued, and worn by all equerries of the Prince of Wales. Jonny continued to wear his until the day of the King’s Coronation. On that day his changed to the new King’s cypher.

Today you will see the Equerry to HRH Prince William, Prince of Wales now wears the PoW Feathers.
 
RomeGirl helped us understand some things about the aiguillette that Jonny wears. I have been looking for photos of Jonny with a clear closeup view of them but they are hard to find and I have not had any success. I was hoping to spot the Royal Cypher. This photo of Jonny shows some sort of metal work engraving on the cone-shaped tips but I can't tell what it is. Could it be the King's Royal Cypher, or a symbol for Charles as PoW, or just decorative engraving?

I read somewhere that the aiguillette is a "signal" meaning that when the Sovereign's Equerry asks or instructs someone to do something, they are speaking on behalf of the Sovereign.

I wonder how Jonny keeps all of the aiguillette's ropes and cords in place so they don't slide around on his shoulder. It also seems they could get in the way of doing things. Jonny and the other Equerries must be experts at managing all of that by now.

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Jonny has yet to be seen with Aiguillette with the cypher. My guess is that he still wears his original issue from when he was appointed Equerry to the former POW. Only the Equerries to the Sovereign can wear the cypher on their aiguilette.

It’s possible to read two things into this - either he has not replaced his, or there is no point in replacing them as he wont need them for much longer. Let’s all hope it is the former!!
 
This is a lovely Getty photo of Jonny. One of the few with a crystal clear view of Jonny's shoulder insignia. His "Prince of Wales" feathers are stunningly beautiful, perched on the edge of his shoulder cords. I wonder if Charles personally gifted those to Jonny or if they are standard military issue for Equerries.

I don't know the proper terminology for Jonny's shoulder insignia. Individually they are a crown, pip/star, and PoW feathers but I do not know if there is a correct military term that refers to all of them as a bunch. I am trying to describe something that I don't have the words for so I apologize for not being more clear about this!

The Royal Regiment of Scotland's "Dress Regulations" manual mention that "1 inch anodised gold Bath stars" are required on the shoulder cords for the No1A Ceremonial uniform we usually see Jonny wearing. Does anyone know what the "Bath star" is? The only other item on his shoulder cords appears to be a button next to the collar.

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The Bath Star is the badge in the middle. "This badge, often known as a star or pip, was worn by British Army officers on the shoulder to denote their rank. This particular variety of star is called a Bath star, being a simplified version of the star of the Order of the Bath, one of the four British Orders of Chivalry. It features three crowns in the center, surrounded by the Order of the Bath's motto: "TRIA JUNCTA IN UNO", translating to "Three joined in one" in English. This is in turn flanked by two laurel branches, all overlaying a Maltese Cross."
 
Jonny has yet to be seen with Aiguillette with the cypher. My guess is that he still wears his original issue from when he was appointed Equerry to the former POW. Only the Equerries to the Sovereign can wear the cypher on their aiguilette.

It’s possible to read two things into this - either he has not replaced his, or there is no point in replacing them as he wont need them for much longer. Let’s all hope it is the former!!
We have grown accustomed to seeing him, always look forward to seeing him, and really prefer not to think of "losing" him. There is so much speculation about how long he will continue to serve as Equerry. The inserted image below is from Wikipedia. The date in the "Years Column" implies he will be the King's Equerry for three years from the date of the the Queen's passing but that may just be wishful thinking on my part.

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The Bath Star is the badge in the middle. "This badge, often known as a star or pip, was worn by British Army officers on the shoulder to denote their rank. This particular variety of star is called a Bath star, being a simplified version of the star of the Order of the Bath, one of the four British Orders of Chivalry. It features three crowns in the center, surrounded by the Order of the Bath's motto: "TRIA JUNCTA IN UNO", translating to "Three joined in one" in English. This is in turn flanked by two laurel branches, all overlaying a Maltese Cross."
Thank you for such a detailed explanation. There seems to be so much more to military insignia than meets the eye, so much history considered when designing and wearing things.
 
Not at all boring but fascinating. The initial interest was most likely, “Who is this tall, dark, handsome Equerry in that incredibly detailed and beautiful RRoS uniform” but for so many of us in this forum, it has evolved into something much more … An opportunity to share excitement about the King’s events and watching Jonny work alongside him; seeing what Jonny does at work and how he goes about it. We are also learning bits and pieces about the inner workings of the Royal Household, equerries and the military.

Each member of the RF has carved out their own unique niche along with a core of loyal followers. Jonny has, knowingly or not, carved out his own unique niche along with his own core of loyal followers. He has been embraced by the public who see him as playing a role of high value within the inner workings of the Royal Family. The trick is to honour his off-duty privacy and focus on his Royal public duties; to continue to learn more about the entire process of Monarchy-Military-Equerry of which he is now an integral part both behind the scenes and in the public eye. That he has attracted and continues to hold the public’s attention speaks volumes about him in the most positive of ways (that I have mentioned in earlier posts) … Military officer, demonstrated strong core values, immaculate appearance, perfect deportment and pleasant facial expressions all within the mysterious settings of the Monarchy.

You have kindly shared a few “behind the public curtain” tidbits with us and we enjoy them all and would love to hear more as you permit and feel are appropriate. Yes, no one likes to think of their chosen favorite as imperfect but realistically we understand there is also a private side to Jonny’s life that we, while curious, have no need to know unless permitted.
For those interested in Jonny’s military background, and consequently his rise to his current position, I’ll give you a bit of background. Those not interested, either prepare to be bored or scroll on by!

Anything here IS in the public domain, if you know where to look, so I am not giving away secrets, but some of it is a bit obscure so might be new-ish formation.

I think everyone knows he went to Aberystwyth Uni, and what he studied ther? Worth remembering Aberystwyth was also attended by HM the King. During this time he served in the University Army Officer Training Corps.

Shortly after graduating Jonny entered the RMA Sandhurst to join the commissioning course for Officers.

Gaining entry to Sandhurst is (for 99.9%) a gruelling procedure. If you are interested I can post you some information about it, or … you can took it up for yourselves!

Jonny commissioned in 2006 (alongside a rather notorious member of a rather well known family).

He did not join the RRS imediately after commissioning from Sandhurst but served very briefly in another Corps. Why he changed is not generally ‘out there’ so not my story to tell, sorry.

Any infantry soldier or officer does a basic Infantry course at the Infantry Training Centre at Catterick before joining their regiment, and Jonny would have done the same.

By December of that year - 2006, he had moved to 4 SCOTS and was promoted to Lieutenant.

Towards the end of 2008, he was promoted again to Captain.

While the speed of his promotion was not unprecedented, it was more rapid than the average, which should indicate his aptitude for leadership.

For those interested in leadership, how Sandhurst develops and trains Officers, and Army education, I’ll digress for a moment as it speaks to Jonny’s character, experiences and training.

There is a 3 part documentary on Sandhurst - each part looking at one of the 3 terms of each commissioning course. For those who really want to understand more about what shaped Jonny, I recommend watching. They are from 2010, so slightly later than Jonny’s era, but the course would have been very similar and they are informative. They will also while away a couple of hours if you are twiddling your thumbs!!!

Part 1 -

Part 2 -

Part 3 -

being YouTube, I think these should be available in all areas.


Worth remembering the motto of Sandhurst is ‘Serve To Lead’.

When talking about leadership in the British Army, Lt. General Sir Nick Borton - Formerly of the Royal Highland Fusilers and 3rd Uk Division (3UK Div), currently Commander of the Allied Rapid Reaction Corps, one of NATO’s most senior military leaders- said

“…why leadership is so important - The role and responsibilities that are placed upon us is to legally take life in the defence of our nation. And that is a higher calling than the people who make crisps for a living, so it demands we hold ourselves to the highest professional and moral standard, and part of that is giving our people the leadership they deserve."

Gen Sir Patrick Sanders, Chief of the General Staff said -

“Leadership - It’s commanding men and women to do things that are often against their nature. It is inspiring men and women to be their very best. At its most extreme, it’s about individuals taking personal risk for the sake of people around them, or the sake of the mission.”

I think it would not be foolish to think that both Jonny’s upbringing, and his subsequent training have instilled, and improved upon what was probably always a genetic predisposition to leadership. The nurturing and education have brought about the behaviour we so often see exhibited.

OK, back to Jonny’s career….

He served with 4 Scots through his deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, seeing major action during Operation Herrick. A hugely worrying time for his family, and all of those related to anyone serving at that time.

Following his return from Afghanistan he spent some time with 3UK Div, in Salisbury, was promoted to Major in 2015, and returned to the RRS.


I think that is enough for now. I‘ll continue and add more later if anyone wants to know and is not too bored.
 
For those interested in Jonny’s military background, and consequently his rise to his current position, I’ll give you a bit of background. Those not interested, either prepare to be bored or scroll on by!

Anything here IS in the public domain, if you know where to look, so I am not giving away secrets, but some of it is a bit obscure so might be new-ish formation.

I think everyone knows he went to Aberystwyth Uni, and what he studied ther? Worth remembering Aberystwyth was also attended by HM the King. During this time he served in the University Army Officer Training Corps.

Shortly after graduating Jonny entered the RMA Sandhurst to join the commissioning course for Officers.

Gaining entry to Sandhurst is (for 99.9%) a gruelling procedure. If you are interested I can post you some information about it, or … you can took it up for yourselves!

Jonny commissioned in 2006 (alongside a rather notorious member of a rather well known family).

He did not join the RRS imediately after commissioning from Sandhurst but served very briefly in another Corps. Why he changed is not generally ‘out there’ so not my story to tell, sorry.

Any infantry soldier or officer does a basic Infantry course at the Infantry Training Centre at Catterick before joining their regiment, and Jonny would have done the same.

By December of that year - 2006, he had moved to 4 SCOTS and was promoted to Lieutenant.

Towards the end of 2008, he was promoted again to Captain.

While the speed of his promotion was not unprecedented, it was more rapid than the average, which should indicate his aptitude for leadership.

For those interested in leadership, how Sandhurst develops and trains Officers, and Army education, I’ll digress for a moment as it speaks to Jonny’s character, experiences and training.

There is a 3 part documentary on Sandhurst - each part looking at one of the 3 terms of each commissioning course. For those who really want to understand more about what shaped Jonny, I recommend watching. They are from 2010, so slightly later than Jonny’s era, but the course would have been very similar and they are informative. They will also while away a couple of hours if you are twiddling your thumbs!!!

Part 1 -

Part 2 -

Part 3 -

being YouTube, I think these should be available in all areas.


Worth remembering the motto of Sandhurst is ‘Serve To Lead’.

When talking about leadership in the British Army, Lt. General Sir Nick Borton - Formerly of the Royal Highland Fusilers and 3rd Uk Division (3UK Div), currently Commander of the Allied Rapid Reaction Corps, one of NATO’s most senior military leaders- said

“…why leadership is so important - The role and responsibilities that are placed upon us is to legally take life in the defence of our nation. And that is a higher calling than the people who make crisps for a living, so it demands we hold ourselves to the highest professional and moral standard, and part of that is giving our people the leadership they deserve."

Gen Sir Patrick Sanders, Chief of the General Staff said -

“Leadership - It’s commanding men and women to do things that are often against their nature. It is inspiring men and women to be their very best. At its most extreme, it’s about individuals taking personal risk for the sake of people around them, or the sake of the mission.”

I think it would not be foolish to think that both Jonny’s upbringing, and his subsequent training have instilled, and improved upon what was probably always a genetic predisposition to leadership. The nurturing and education have brought about the behaviour we so often see exhibited.

OK, back to Jonny’s career….

He served with 4 Scots through his deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, seeing major action during Operation Herrick. A hugely worrying time for his family, and all of those related to anyone serving at that time.

Following his return from Afghanistan he spent some time with 3UK Div, in Salisbury, was promoted to Major in 2015, and returned to the RRS.


I think that is enough for now. I‘ll continue and add more later if anyone wants to know and is not too bored.

Thanks for this, helps us understand him a bit more and appreciate him. Did the King know him in 2006, if he commissioned with Harry? I have seen pictures of him as officer of the guard at Birkhall when I think he was a captain, so presumably they have at least been aware of each other longer than his time as Equerry? Just curious, you don't need to answer it if it would give too much away.

On another note, went to my local Battle of Britain Parade today, it was great!

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For those interested in Jonny’s military background, and consequently his rise to his current position, I’ll give you a bit of background. Those not interested, either prepare to be bored or scroll on by!

Anything here IS in the public domain, if you know where to look, so I am not giving away secrets, but some of it is a bit obscure so might be new-ish formation.

I think everyone knows he went to Aberystwyth Uni, and what he studied ther? Worth remembering Aberystwyth was also attended by HM the King. During this time he served in the University Army Officer Training Corps.

Shortly after graduating Jonny entered the RMA Sandhurst to join the commissioning course for Officers.

Gaining entry to Sandhurst is (for 99.9%) a gruelling procedure. If you are interested I can post you some information about it, or … you can took it up for yourselves!

Jonny commissioned in 2006 (alongside a rather notorious member of a rather well known family).

He did not join the RRS imediately after commissioning from Sandhurst but served very briefly in another Corps. Why he changed is not generally ‘out there’ so not my story to tell, sorry.

Any infantry soldier or officer does a basic Infantry course at the Infantry Training Centre at Catterick before joining their regiment, and Jonny would have done the same.

By December of that year - 2006, he had moved to 4 SCOTS and was promoted to Lieutenant.

Towards the end of 2008, he was promoted again to Captain.

While the speed of his promotion was not unprecedented, it was more rapid than the average, which should indicate his aptitude for leadership.

For those interested in leadership, how Sandhurst develops and trains Officers, and Army education, I’ll digress for a moment as it speaks to Jonny’s character, experiences and training.

There is a 3 part documentary on Sandhurst - each part looking at one of the 3 terms of each commissioning course. For those who really want to understand more about what shaped Jonny, I recommend watching. They are from 2010, so slightly later than Jonny’s era, but the course would have been very similar and they are informative. They will also while away a couple of hours if you are twiddling your thumbs!!!

Part 1 -

Part 2 -

Part 3 -

being YouTube, I think these should be available in all areas.


Worth remembering the motto of Sandhurst is ‘Serve To Lead’.

When talking about leadership in the British Army, Lt. General Sir Nick Borton - Formerly of the Royal Highland Fusilers and 3rd Uk Division (3UK Div), currently Commander of the Allied Rapid Reaction Corps, one of NATO’s most senior military leaders- said

“…why leadership is so important - The role and responsibilities that are placed upon us is to legally take life in the defence of our nation. And that is a higher calling than the people who make crisps for a living, so it demands we hold ourselves to the highest professional and moral standard, and part of that is giving our people the leadership they deserve."

Gen Sir Patrick Sanders, Chief of the General Staff said -

“Leadership - It’s commanding men and women to do things that are often against their nature. It is inspiring men and women to be their very best. At its most extreme, it’s about individuals taking personal risk for the sake of people around them, or the sake of the mission.”

I think it would not be foolish to think that both Jonny’s upbringing, and his subsequent training have instilled, and improved upon what was probably always a genetic predisposition to leadership. The nurturing and education have brought about the behaviour we so often see exhibited.

OK, back to Jonny’s career….

He served with 4 Scots through his deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, seeing major action during Operation Herrick. A hugely worrying time for his family, and all of those related to anyone serving at that time.

Following his return from Afghanistan he spent some time with 3UK Div, in Salisbury, was promoted to Major in 2015, and returned to the RRS.


I think that is enough for now. I‘ll continue and add more later if anyone wants to know and is not too bored.

Thank you for taking time to provide all of this information and the Sandhurst video links.

Yes, I remember that Aberystwyth University was also attended by a very young Prince Charles, to learn to pronounce Welsh in preparation for his speech and crowning as Prince of Wales.

I think we may have assumed Jonny attended Sandhurst but did not know for certain. Thank you for that tidbit. Actually, from our "outside of the RRoS/Royal fence" perspective, we know very little about anything in his military background, training, postings, and duties until he stepped out of the shadows and entered the public eye as OC of the Royal Honour Guard in 2018. While his ceremonial duties were carried out with excellence, his public profile only began to gain traction when he became the PoW's Equerry. Even then, it was not until our late Majesty's passing that people began asking in earnest, "Who is that man?".

Are you able to tell us what "corps" Jonny initially began his career with or is that drifting toward the part of his private life about which we do not need to know. I did not know one could switch military units!

Promoting to Lieutenant during his first year? That seems like a very rapid rise, especially moving up to Captain by 2008.

I do have questions if you have time at some point to consider them.

1. Can you tell us about what Jonny was required to know and accomplish in order to gain entrance to Sandhurst?
I will enjoy watching the videos but would also enjoy hearing it directly from our teacher!
2. What are the requirements for promoting to Lieutenant, Captain and Major? Is it more that simply "time served"?
3. In an earlier post you described the huge hurdles Jonny had to successfully jump in order to attain various levels of commission. Is it same for promotions or are there different standards to meet?
4. Might Jonny expect another promotion soon to full Colonel?

We are not bored. We love having you as our teacher. There are many more questions to ask about various aspects of Jonny's career but I do not want to toss them all at you at one time. :angel:

Thank you for what you have shared with us today!
 
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Thanks for this, helps us understand him a bit more and appreciate him. Did the King know him in 2006, if he commissioned with Harry? I have seen pictures of him as officer of the guard at Birkhall when I think he was a captain, so presumably they have at least been aware of each other longer than his time as Equerry? Just curious, you don't need to answer it if it would give too much away.

On another note, went to my local Battle of Britain Parade today, it was great!

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Jonny is featured in several 2012 Getty photos. According to the information provided by Getty, it is for an awards ceremony on 13 Oct 2012 at Birkhall. Our Jonny is out of focus but he is a Captain and is the solder standing closest to the viewer. Isn't Charles' clothing mangificent!

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For those interested in Jonny’s military background, and consequently his rise to his current position, I’ll give you a bit of background. Those not interested, either prepare to be bored or scroll on by!

Anything here IS in the public domain, if you know where to look, so I am not giving away secrets, but some of it is a bit obscure so might be new-ish formation.

I think everyone knows he went to Aberystwyth Uni, and what he studied ther? Worth remembering Aberystwyth was also attended by HM the King. During this time he served in the University Army Officer Training Corps.

Shortly after graduating Jonny entered the RMA Sandhurst to join the commissioning course for Officers.

Gaining entry to Sandhurst is (for 99.9%) a gruelling procedure. If you are interested I can post you some information about it, or … you can took it up for yourselves!

Jonny commissioned in 2006 (alongside a rather notorious member of a rather well known family).

He did not join the RRS imediately after commissioning from Sandhurst but served very briefly in another Corps. Why he changed is not generally ‘out there’ so not my story to tell, sorry.

Any infantry soldier or officer does a basic Infantry course at the Infantry Training Centre at Catterick before joining their regiment, and Jonny would have done the same.

By December of that year - 2006, he had moved to 4 SCOTS and was promoted to Lieutenant.

Towards the end of 2008, he was promoted again to Captain.

While the speed of his promotion was not unprecedented, it was more rapid than the average, which should indicate his aptitude for leadership.

For those interested in leadership, how Sandhurst develops and trains Officers, and Army education, I’ll digress for a moment as it speaks to Jonny’s character, experiences and training.

There is a 3 part documentary on Sandhurst - each part looking at one of the 3 terms of each commissioning course. For those who really want to understand more about what shaped Jonny, I recommend watching. They are from 2010, so slightly later than Jonny’s era, but the course would have been very similar and they are informative. They will also while away a couple of hours if you are twiddling your thumbs!!!

Part 1 -

Part 2 -

Part 3 -

being YouTube, I think these should be available in all areas.


Worth remembering the motto of Sandhurst is ‘Serve To Lead’.

When talking about leadership in the British Army, Lt. General Sir Nick Borton - Formerly of the Royal Highland Fusilers and 3rd Uk Division (3UK Div), currently Commander of the Allied Rapid Reaction Corps, one of NATO’s most senior military leaders- said

“…why leadership is so important - The role and responsibilities that are placed upon us is to legally take life in the defence of our nation. And that is a higher calling than the people who make crisps for a living, so it demands we hold ourselves to the highest professional and moral standard, and part of that is giving our people the leadership they deserve."

Gen Sir Patrick Sanders, Chief of the General Staff said -

“Leadership - It’s commanding men and women to do things that are often against their nature. It is inspiring men and women to be their very best. At its most extreme, it’s about individuals taking personal risk for the sake of people around them, or the sake of the mission.”

I think it would not be foolish to think that both Jonny’s upbringing, and his subsequent training have instilled, and improved upon what was probably always a genetic predisposition to leadership. The nurturing and education have brought about the behaviour we so often see exhibited.

OK, back to Jonny’s career….

He served with 4 Scots through his deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, seeing major action during Operation Herrick. A hugely worrying time for his family, and all of those related to anyone serving at that time.

Following his return from Afghanistan he spent some time with 3UK Div, in Salisbury, was promoted to Major in 2015, and returned to the RRS.


I think that is enough for now. I‘ll continue and add more later if anyone wants to know and is not too bored.

Not bored in the least! Absolutely fascinating! Jonny really has been all over, and in the thick of it. I remember the awful coffins brought home from Iraq and Afghanistan every week of young men aged 19, 21, etc and crying at what a waste it was, as I didn't believe in those Wars though supported our troops. All I can say is thank god Jonny came home in one piece, mentally and physically. I look forward to watching the Sandhurst docs, and would love to hear more.
 
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