I can't believe they are allowing the 1-to-8 trade! In earlier posts before, other TPFers wrote of how when they notified security of this and showed photos, security wouldn't allow it and would speak to the line cutters and tell them either one stays or all of them can go in and not get a single appointment. Did you have photos of how the line as before the spot seller sold their spot? How many people complained to security? I am just flabbergastedthat those who bought the spot weren't intimidated by customers already on the line vocalizing their displeasure at that transaction and even more so that security did not reinforce the 1-to-1 (max 2) switch
Lining up for Hermes - thoughts, rants, raves
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If someone has a young child, waiting in line at 3am is not an option, likewise if someone has a health condition that prevents this, so I can see circumstances where the one for one can be debated. The problem is that it feeds the beast and perpetuates and exacerbates the line issue.
I abhor unfairness or inconsiderate behavior so I wouldn't partake in the 1 spot for 8 people but I would also refrain from the 1 for 1 on the grounds of not encouraging the madness. However, I can see how some would be ok with purchasing a 1 for 1. It is beyond my ken though, how anyone can justify purchasing 1/8 of a spot, likewise to the unbridled greed, audacity and lack of consideration that one needs to possess to sell one spot to eight people.
I am never going to queue again. Never after the experience of last Monday. It was a total waste of my whole day and I wish I could've used that day for something else instead, now that my vacation is almost over.
Some fellow queue buddies commented how they liked my bag while we waited. I told them I got it from Hawaii and informed they have plenty bags if they want to go that route. Most came from Asia, so it's actually lot easier for them to travel there as well. They seemed to be interested at first but then did not like how price would be same as the rest of US, around $3000 higher than Europe. So yes, it seems the price difference does matter a lot to most on the queue. But if you can afford €7000 bag, is that extra $3000 really that significant?
I think if I live in London, it might be worth to plan a trip just to visit FSH. But to come so far just for the bag, it is pointless these days, with all the struggle and frustration just to secure those darn appointments. If appointment guarantees you a bag, as in being the first X number for queue at new iPhone release guarantees a new phone, it would be totally worth all the wait. But only really limited number of those daily appointments at FSH would be offered a bag and you might be turned away day after day for god knows how long.
It is ones own choice to queue though and I applaud those who are brave enough to try.
Some fellow queue buddies commented how they liked my bag while we waited. I told them I got it from Hawaii and informed they have plenty bags if they want to go that route. Most came from Asia, so it's actually lot easier for them to travel there as well. They seemed to be interested at first but then did not like how price would be same as the rest of US, around $3000 higher than Europe. So yes, it seems the price difference does matter a lot to most on the queue. But if you can afford €7000 bag, is that extra $3000 really that significant?
I think if I live in London, it might be worth to plan a trip just to visit FSH. But to come so far just for the bag, it is pointless these days, with all the struggle and frustration just to secure those darn appointments. If appointment guarantees you a bag, as in being the first X number for queue at new iPhone release guarantees a new phone, it would be totally worth all the wait. But only really limited number of those daily appointments at FSH would be offered a bag and you might be turned away day after day for god knows how long.
It is ones own choice to queue though and I applaud those who are brave enough to try.
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I was sandwiched between two line sellers on Monday. However, both line sellers were fine and their customers were also nice. Both were one to one trades, with both customers who seem to be genuine H shoppers.
I especially liked one in front of me, who was a refined lady from Kyoto. Btw, even her line seller was a very ladylike girl who stayed for quite some time when her client arrived, to give her full description of the appointment set up process once inside. The client spoke only limited English, so I think the line seller was a bit worried and wanted to ensure all goes fine.
The lady from kyoto and I exchanged some words while waiting and it was easy to see she's been to many Hs in her travels. She was very sweet and mentioned the summer H sale, as if she wanted to make sure I was aware of it, so I could visit. She did not think she could do it herself, as the queue for that incredibly long. She was a woman of a certain age, and I could totally see why she had her line seller for FSH on Monday. I could also understand how a mom cannot leave her child at odd hours as you mentioned. So yes, line selling works wonders for those who really need it.
It was the network of line sellers who were selling same spots to multiple people that caused the drama that day. And Just few front of me, the girl who joined the queue about 9 kept insisting how her brother was holding the spot for her. Seriously? The guy she claimed as her "brother" was a line seller many on queue recognized. And that "brother's" spot was to be taken by three girls. No one was buying their story but the most vocal one insisted they stay. She, however, was not so happy herself when people in front her had doubled by 10 am.
In my country it is not ok to push oneself before others in a cue. I therefore do not think it is ok for either buyer or seller to participate in this kind of activity particularly when the exchange involves more than one person changing places.
I am quite sure that also in France making a profit from selling and buying any form of merchandise or labour is attached with paying taxes to fund healthcare, schools etc. I doubt these line sellers pay any tax. This means that even the one to one swop is shady.
I am quite sure that also in France making a profit from selling and buying any form of merchandise or labour is attached with paying taxes to fund healthcare, schools etc. I doubt these line sellers pay any tax. This means that even the one to one swop is shady.
Good point. And historically many of these under the table cash businesses that don't pay taxes are associated with other crimes, unfair labor practices, drugs or terrorism. It's shady.
I wouldnt do it personally. For one thing, I would not want to get cash out on the street with a total stranger!
I wonder if people used to do this in the old system. Probably not since the line was inside the store. That's the one thing about the line in the store, H staff and security could observe behavior.
Furthermore, paying anybody for services that does not pay tax is in my country called hiring "black labour" and it is not ok and considered a tax crime in my country which is located within EU.
Agree completely.
Yes the staff used to observe behavior so people were a bit better behaved back then.
You don't normally pay tax on every penny you earn. You have a tax free allowance every year. But that's off the topic.
Whether or not line sellers pay tax on income is really beyond the scope of this thread. Appreciate if this could get back to topic. Thanks.
Oh please! Now we go from line sitters making a few bucks (Have any of you been to the H sale in NYC or any other similar sale? There are line sitters galore.) to terrorism!!!!!! We get it. You are in. Others can go without.
We aren't talking about bread here. We are talking about handbags.
No I don't go to these sales. I doubt I ever would and if so I certainly wouldn't pay a line sitter. I find it distasteful. I personally wouldn't want to be a part of something so ugly. But yes I'm in because I'm a loyal customer who appreciates the craftsmanship and the many beautiful products that Hermes makes.
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