Lining up for Hermes - thoughts, rants, raves

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I thought those who willing to Q in the wee hours of foreign lands suppose to be the most loyal fans ? :) Just like we Q for our fave band concert tickets in the old days :D

Well if H&M can prepare a proper night Q for the collab fashion or adidas can come up with a online balloting system for their limited edition shoes... why can't H ? :) 1 IC = 1 ballot number. Only the owner of the IC could make any purchase (of course provided he/she wins the ballot). I believe there are tons of balloting example outside that H can adapt, if they want to :)
 
As a Parisian I was not able to understand to line 5 hours to get a bag at FSH...
Before reading all points of views here, I thought that was just a loss of time.
And when I thought about the ressellers, I was almost upset because to me it was like feeding the troll : there was a line because a lot of people were ressellers, because some genuine customers use the resellers services to avoid the line...
I'm much more nuanced now, and forgot my first narrow minded "parisian judgement" :yes: !
There is lot of different people, with different stories and goals in this line...and also a lot of nice people who succed in avoiding it...No rule, or global judgement from me anymore ;) !
Only a personal opinion I keep to myself (and share upon request lol) on some sad or happy stories I might read or hear ;) !
 
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I've been following this thread and the Pairs shopping one closely. If my memory serves me right, I think I have been seen this statement on more than a couple of occasions. I just want to point out that I don't think that's a fair statement, also based on my own experiences.

People from all over the world come to Paris and line up at FSH, yes, for a B or K or other bags. Many of them are not necessarily one timers. They just simply can't get what they want from their home stores for various reasons. My friend, being one, lives far away from the boutique, which does not help establish a long term relationship. She orders her scarves/shawls online or asks me to purchase for her. Her chances to get a B or K from the home store is slim to none.

I have more constructive advice for you. I would suggest to your friend that she establish a relationship with a SA at a store in a city to which she can travel a few times per year. Not knowing where she is or her circumstances I can't make a more specific suggestion. If she's in Europe perhaps she can make one of the Paris stores her home store. She can always have her SA send her scarves etc. if she chooses the right location.

I liked shopping in Paris more than my local store so I essentially made PARIS my home store. I save my purchases for my visits which average twice per year. Believe me, I know what it's like to not have a good store close by. That's why I worked out a solution. Don't assume everyone is being a snob or simply rail against the circumstances. Find a solution.

Waiting in that line seems to me to be a poor solution with low odds of success.
 
Let's lighten up this thread!

May I present the Faubourg St. Honore Line Waiting Survival Kit:
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For all your line waiting needs, a chair, footrest with storage, a lantern and books to read, a game of chess with your friendly neighbor spot seller (hey perhaps if you beat them you can win the spot) a hat for sun, an umbrella for rain, a blanket for a chill and a picnic basket for sustenance.

Ironically, going into H to purchase some of these items would allow you to bypass the line entirely. Many people in the world will never get the chance to travel let alone buy a bit of luxury so some perspective might be in order here.
My sides hurt from laughing........too funny
 
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I have more constructive advice for you. I would suggest to your friend that she establish a relationship with a SA at a store in a city to which she can travel a few times per year. Not knowing where she is or her circumstances I can't make a more specific suggestion. If she's in Europe perhaps she can make one of the Paris stores her home store. She can always have her SA send her scarves etc. if she chooses the right location.

I liked shopping in Paris more than my local store so I essentially made PARIS my home store. I save my purchases for my visits which average twice per year. Believe me, I know what it's like to not have a good store close by. That's why I worked out a solution. Don't assume everyone is being a snob or simply rail against the circumstances. Find a solution.

Waiting in that line seems to me to be a poor solution with low odds of success.

Precisely!!! I currently live in a city with no H stores. The nearest ones in the country are an hour's flight away but their snobbiness is unrivaled. I decided it was too much to bear and I wouldn't stand for it despite having been a customer for over 20 years when I moved here. So I started going to a neighboring country (Singapore) where it is considered one of the most difficult places in the world to get a bag offer. I went there for other reasons a few times per year anyway so it was a natural choice. I decided that Hong Kong, Jakarta or any city in Japan would be my back ups if I failed to find someone I connected with.

I decided to replace a watch strap and buy a couple of twillies to test the waters. I had a very professional, and polite SA. She was a bit cool but I thought it could work. She gave me her card and a few months later (I was still in the US when I started developing my relationship--I needed to lay the groundwork before my permanent move), I called her and told her what I was looking for and that I am flying in. She welcomed us again, more warmly this time and as I shopped and we chatted she asked me about which bags I have and which ones I would like....it was very natural.

Four or five years later I can say she is not only a great SA but a warm and gregarious friend who texts me about non H related things on a nearly daily basis usually for a laugh. She told me that for the store's purposes I am considered a local, and they have held things for me for a month with no deposit and no issue as long as I confirm I want the item and I will go pick it up.

We keep a rolling list of things I want on a phone app, she gathers some things and when she has a bag that I want she contacts me and offers me the bag first knowing full well that I will buy some of the other things she sets aside. It works well and I love every employee in that store. I always send the store something when I am there and they joke with me that it is like a party when I'm in town and that they should have a private room in the store so I can sleep there during my visits.

So no, I will not stand in a line for hours, not for a bag or anything else short of a necessary organ for a family member. When the staff knows you are interested in the brand but also interested in them as human beings and are respectful of their time they will go the distance for you, and that is true of H or any other store. If these people are treated as no more than just the gatekeepers to the K/B/C they will feel it--it is palpable. My experiences at H are a joy. I look forward to my time with these lovely people and to my new acquisitions. I simply refuse to line up before dawn (middle of the night these days), become irate over the injustice of the line cutting, get an appointment whose time is not set but malleable, to then go in for a crapshoot after whittling away my beauty sleep and possibly most of the day, all for the privilege of spending thousands of euros of my hard earned money! No, those conditions would not see a single euro from me let alone tens of thousands of euros.

As a business person, based on cold hard facts, I can see how H doesn't feel the need to lift a finger as they probably feel that the customer experience begins after one walks through the door. My sense of justice on the other hand would like to see H give these line cutters and shifty sorts their just desserts. All that said, while it is not for me, if someone's desire is such that they will endure ANYTHING to get the bags and nothing else, then I extend my sincerest wishes for the best of luck and a hope that they remain safe, but when people say they have no choice--I disagree completely.
 
Let's lighten up this thread!

May I present the Faubourg St. Honore Line Waiting Survival Kit:
View attachment 3752365
For all your line waiting needs, a chair, footrest with storage, a lantern and books to read, a game of chess with your friendly neighbor spot seller (hey perhaps if you beat them you can win the spot) a hat for sun, an umbrella for rain, a blanket for a chill and a picnic basket for sustenance.

Ironically, going into H to purchase some of these items would allow you to bypass the line entirely. Many people in the world will never get the chance to travel let alone buy a bit of luxury so some perspective might be in order here.
I love the picnic hamper. Probably the most luxurious in the world. [emoji7]
 
This new line system sounds like an absolute nightmare, and I would never debase myself by partaking in it. Last time I was at FSH was July 2015. I was just there for a couple of bracelets, but I remember it being massively crowded. Could barely get to the counter, let alone walk alongside it to see what else was in the case WHILE I was being helped by the SA. Since then, I've gotten lovely treatment at my home store, so I have no desire to go back there and play those games. The potential savings are just not worth the stress and my dignity.
 
Let's lighten up this thread!

May I present the Faubourg St. Honore Line Waiting Survival Kit:
View attachment 3752365
For all your line waiting needs, a chair, footrest with storage, a lantern and books to read, a game of chess with your friendly neighbor spot seller (hey perhaps if you beat them you can win the spot) a hat for sun, an umbrella for rain, a blanket for a chill and a picnic basket for sustenance.

Ironically, going into H to purchase some of these items would allow you to bypass the line entirely. Many people in the world will never get the chance to travel let alone buy a bit of luxury so some perspective might be in order here.
I love this post! :-)
 
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I have read most of the Paris thread, and I don't get the impression these people are not loyal H customers, or that the people in the line up (and not part of this forum) aren't loyal. What I gather, is that perhaps they aren't VIP customers in the H world. I have a great career, I generate a great income, I have an Hermes SA that I email from time to time to request items. But I still can't get a bag from her. I don't think I am not loyal, as I have many Hermes items, but I am not VIP, or maybe not yet. Hermes, especially nowadays, takes quite a long time to become VIP where you can bypass this line up business. My sister used to work at Hermes 10 years ago, and I remember visiting her and hanging out at the H boutique in my city and meeting her for lunch. Yet, even she has to maintain a quota to get a bag. My SA knows my sister used to work at H, and I still can't get a bag. I live in a city where our H boutique is small and getting offered multiple H bags is not something I foresee for myself in my city anytime soon. Sometimes the loyal, but non VIP customers that still haven't had the opportunity to build that VIP status, need to jump through these hoops to get something they really love. I call this loyalty to the H brand, lol!! I speculate these are the H customers that are lining up.
This is correct from what I've heard. Depending on where you live, SAs might suggest you buy high-ticket items such as furniture, lamps, china sets, high-priced jewelry, etc., before you can get a bag. When people are willing to buy twilles, perfume, SLGs, scarves, but can't go to the next level of suggested spending, and don't want to go the reseller route, it probably makes sense that they buy a plane ticket and try their luck in Paris. For those who travel frequently for work, or their spouse does, they can build up a relationship with an SA in another country. But lots of people are not in that position. H has created this situation by having uneven spending "requirements" depending on the country. However of course they are a business and need to operate like a business. I think if the line offends anyone they just shouldn't read this thread, should not line up, or they should decide to withdraw their business from the brand. I'm not being asked to purchase high-ticket items to get a bag, so when we went to Paris this year, I didn't line up. But if people want to line up and talk about their experience or complain, I think it really helps to give info to others who want to line up too. Hermes will have to weigh if these lines in any way devalue their brand image. So far it seems not, there is still large demand for their items. But long term it could damage brand image.
 
I agree with what so many say here. I think finding the right SA and building a relationship is what is needed. Every H store seems to have different requirements to purchase a bag but I think the common denominator here is a relationship. I purchased a beautiful preloved Kelly bag recently that has taken the stress off of wanting one sooner than later from an H boutique.. This way I can really enjoy shopping for my non Hermes interests before i discuss a bag with my SA. I have a small addiction to shawls and stoles and it has been fun shopping for those. Also baby gifts are a pleasure to buy from there. I too agree that this lineup feels undignified now that line sellers are in the picture. Before these line sellers came into the picture I wouldn't hesitate lining up. But now...
 
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I think there is also an impression that FSH and The Queue is the only option. There are other stores in Paris and I think people should not be afraid to try those and not just assume they have to line up. I am not a huge spender, I am very cautious with my H purchases, I usually look very casual and yet I do okay at George V.

I shop in Paris versus home because I can. I love going to Paris and I like the price difference of course. The bag is more sentimental when purchased in Paris. Sometimes I will realize that a lot of my outfit I'm wearing that day was purchased in Paris and it just makes me happy to remember the city. I struggle sometimes returning home as the level of politeness is not the same, among other things, but that is another topic. The downside to Paris H shopping is of course is having to prepare yourself for no offer or getting offered something you're not sure about taking. I think the H SAs are very good at selecting the right bag from a style perspective, but it may not have the right functionality. Most SAs ask a lot of questions though about how you'll use the bag and your lifestyle, which helps to avoid that.
 
By the way, my friend lives 2.5 hours driving distance from the closest H boutique. There is no way for her to visit the boutique often and try to establish a relationship over there for a B or K.

Not to deviate too much from this thread, but yes, it's possible. I live 3 hours from my boutique, and within a span of 2 months, I was able to establish a relationship with a SA and get offered my dream Birkin. I called up the store before a week or two before my first visit. The SA asked if I had a SA...I said no but I would love to establish a relationship with one, and the rest is history. He had my B saved for me on my second store trip. Just letting you know it is possible. I treat all of my SAs like friends....how I would want to be treated if I were in their shoes.

Regarding the main topic, I would assume MOST of the people are one time buyers. Most, would not line up. My husband and I are planning a trip next year (June/July) for London/Paris. I don't want to waste our precious vacation time with the anxiety of getting a bag. If it was a girls trip, I might be tempted, but I'm with some of the other commenters.....not worth waiting in line or being confronted if you paid a line holder....and then the ever changing appointment time. Nope. Not worth it. I plan on popping in for some scarves as a souvenir, but I couldn't see us waiting in line. Now if a SA offered, it might be hard to turn down for the discount/savings alone, but I don't think we will plan any of our time around it. I'm going to be nice to the SA, and if it doesn't work out, no big deal.

It also makes me sad to read the poor SA experiences in their home stores where it's been years of purchases and no bag offers.
 
I've just returned from Europe and was able to purchase a Birkin at FSH. I want to give everyone a "heads-up" about people who are selling their positions in the line to enter the store. I arrived at FSH at about 8:15 AM and was well within the number able to obtain an appointment to purchase a bag. During my wait a woman who held position number 7 in the line sold her position to 8 other individuals for €50 (a nice profit for three or four hours of work). Many of us in the line complained to Hermès' security who were monitoring the line but they were unable to stop the woman. When I reached the head of the line inside FSH, I was told there were no more appointments available that day. Essentially, I missed an appointment by one position. I spoke to the host, explained the situation and she was horrified but explained that Hermès could do nothing to prevent "line squatters" who are profiting off of Hermès. She had the authority to offer me an appointment later in the day.

As legitimate consumers of Hermès, we must not allow "line squatters" to profit. Do not buy into their scheme. Additionally, waiting inline at FSH is part of the journey in purchasing a bag. It is also a great way to meet friendly people from all of the world.
 

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