Also - is there anyone who has purchased a bag with Harmonie leather? I couldn't find any on this thread -- would appreciate any reviews!
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Hi, the Harmonie leather is less prone to get scratches than Heritage, it is not a vegetal tanned leather like the Heritage so it will not develop a patina. However, it is still quite a light finish, not heavily coated/ protected, so its not like it will always look like you just took off the packaging.
if you appreciate really nice, natural leathers but arent ready for a totally natural, veg tanned one, this is a good one to go for.
I havent purchased a bag in Harmonie myself, but I did see it in the store and it was very attractive. It has a fine grain and smooth firm feel, and according to the Duclos site it should soften over time with use.
Their first bags appeared 2 years ago on micro scale level, that´s a bit early for a pre-loved market.
What I also notice in the comments is people not being realistic about what Ramesh does. The commenters seem to think he is personally responsible for every aspect like hiring people, training artisans, sourcing leathers and doing quality control.
Ramesh is absolutely a genius, but creative director role is not about these things. It´s about the designs, building and promoting the story and vision of the brand. It´s high-level and a lot more about those IG adds than quality control of the stitching.
What I also notice in the comments is people not being realistic about what Ramesh does. The commenters seem to think he is personally responsible for every aspect like hiring people, training artisans, sourcing leathers and doing quality control.
Ramesh is absolutely a genius, but creative director role is not about these things. It´s about the designs, building and promoting the story and vision of the brand. It´s high-level and a lot more about those IG adds than quality control of the stitching.
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Heritage has no finish and Harmonie has a very light, waxy finish that softens over time. I was informed both leathers will scratch and develop a patina, however Harmonie will show less/build it more slowly compared to Heritage. I only own Heritage leather and most scratches can be buffed into the patina - but a lot are still visible.
Where are you getting your information - or is it purely opinion?
Ramesh is heavily involved in training the artisans, sourcing leathers and overseeing quality control. Ramesh spends the majority of his time in the workshop. This isn’t opinion or speculation it’s fact. He’s not responsible for advertising or Instagram, they have a wonderful social media manager(like every other brand). The role of a creative director varies wildly from brand to brand and JD is a tiny brand in comparison to others. This gives Ramesh the luxury of being heavily involved in most aspects that other CDs aren’t able to.
That is not "purely an opinion", it´s litterally what the "creative" in creative director stands for, i.e. director of "the creation of creative assets such as advertisements, products, events, or logos". If Ramesh does other things like training craftsmen and quality control, then the title might be misleading.
It´s actually great that you have such a deep knowledge from inside the brand, could you please advise where the leathers are sourced from? The only information I found on the website is "Joseph Duclos leathers come from all over France.". Does JD not disclose this information?
I am thrilled with this info. I adore bags that look used and well-loved. I’m looking forward to owning a Heritage bag someday
Creative director is a broad term and what they do varies from company to company. Like, I said Ramesh is heavily involved in the previously mentioned aspects. Not exactly sure how this is unrealistic given the size of the company/how little bags they produce.
I’m just a client with basic knowledge. If you want specific information I suggest you reach out to them yourself.
Me too! Anytime I see a beaten up Barenia Birkin I swoon. Something so special about natural leathersI am thrilled with this info. I adore bags that look used and well-loved. I’m looking forward to owning a Heritage bag someday
Creative director is a broad term and what they do varies from company to company. Like, I said Ramesh is heavily involved in the previously mentioned aspects. Not exactly sure how this is unrealistic given the size of the company/how little bags they produce.
I’m just a client with basic knowledge. If you want specific information I suggest you reach out to them yourself.
Sorry, I´m not following. You claimed to know as "a fact" what is and what isn´t assigned to Ramesh and which areas he´s heavily invested in. I assumed you work for the brand.
How do you know his workload in detail as "just a client" - or is it purely an opinion?
You should stop assuming things.. don’t you know what they say about assumptions?
Being a client I’ve had the pleasure of getting to know some of the JD staff, learn about the brand, Ramesh’s design inspirations/input and see how the process works.Your postings about Joseph Duclos are weird. From comparing the Diane to a Celine 16(LOL) to the misinformation.
Which brand brought you tPF? You've only been a member for 3 weeks and you've only posted in this thread.
I am sure we would love to hear which brands appeal to you, and what prompted you to join this group?
Hi, just to add my 2 bits to the conversation based on stuff I’ve read on this thread as well as his interviews in the press…. Ramesh is in fact very much involved in searching out artisans & training them, as also in the quality . Of course as with any creative director he wouldnt personally quality control the bags
but he sets the standards and is very also particular about sourcing. Both at Moynat and at Joseph Duclos, we can see the continuity in his choice of leathers, and he has previously said in interviews that he works with many of the same artisans and the same tanneries.if you refer to previous posts on this thread, several members have discussed that Duclos Heritage leather is the same as Hermes barenia, so it would be simple to trace where they get their leathers from.
having said that, I cannot think of any luxury brands including all the biggest ones, who tell you on their site where they procure their leathers from. So why the emphasis on Duclos sourcing ?
Personally, I think that for a small, start-up brand to have access to top end tanneries cannot be all that easy. I wouldnt be surprised if Ramesh had a hand in that thanks to his standing and relationships in the industry.
If you’re not convinced about the desirability or quality of the brand, just dont buy their bags… You sound like you have a personal stake in proving something about Joseph Duclos lol
You should stop assuming things.. don’t you know what they say about assumptions?
Your postings about Joseph Duclos are weird. From comparing the Diane to a Celine 16(LOL) to the misinformation.
Sorry, I forgot again this thread is one of many paid promotions for Joseph Duclos.
That explains why "just a client" immediately jumps in and diverts a factual discussion to personal attacks.
You know, not everyone might be seduced by a "1754" brand which made their first bags 2 years ago and bombs everyone with IG adds.