it looks like they specified the information on the creed patch if the bag is made of vachetta leather:
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it looks like they specified the information on the creed patch if the bag is made of vachetta leather:
I'm thinking that the bag at the link below must be the Chestnut color and I am guessing that mine is Mahogany, but maybe the color will change when I rehab it.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Lega...093517?hash=item1cde90758d:g:aZ8AAOSwCRNd4oIj
I'm looking forward to seeing your bag when it's done!
I was wondering just what vachetta leather means and I found this description on the web from a company that sells leather to manufacturers and workers:
"...un-dyed 100% vegetable-tanned "vachetta" cowhide... which has undergone milling. Milled hides are tumbled in a large drum to achieve a prominent pebbled grain, a soft, supple hand, and a pliability that surpasses other veg-tan leathers..."
"...un-dyed 100% vegetable-tanned "vachetta" cowhide... which has undergone milling. Milled hides are tumbled in a large drum to achieve a prominent pebbled grain, a soft, supple hand, and a pliability that surpasses other veg-tan leathers..."
It is prone to staining because it has been minimally treated and isn't sealed. Coach has defined some of there dyed leathers as vachetta.
While I am waiting to receive this "Coach Vintage Coin Purse Mini Kisslock Genuine Python Black White 6172 W39" I would like to find out more about it.
I got it NWT for $65 shipped and I know that it is Italian made, but if anyone can help narrow down the search I would be very grateful.
I am guessing that the code 6172 BK IY stands for Black and Ivory colors but there is no code for the hardware listed, is that correct?
Thanks in advance for your help!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Vintage-Coin-Purse-Mini-Kisslock-Genuine-Python-Black-White-6172-W39/264562614679?hash=item3d99292197:g:wZYAAOSwyyZdycnJ
I got it NWT for $65 shipped and I know that it is Italian made, but if anyone can help narrow down the search I would be very grateful.
I am guessing that the code 6172 BK IY stands for Black and Ivory colors but there is no code for the hardware listed, is that correct?
Thanks in advance for your help!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Vintage-Coin-Purse-Mini-Kisslock-Genuine-Python-Black-White-6172-W39/264562614679?hash=item3d99292197:g:wZYAAOSwyyZdycnJ
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Most of the Coach bags that were made in Italy are from the 1990s, but these Karung and Python Genuine Snakeskin Parker bags were made in Italy in 2008, but the Parker items mostly had rosegold hardware and my new little coin purse has silver hardware.
Do you think that my little python coin purse was an earlier product or from the later Parker line?
Do you think that my little python coin purse was an earlier product or from the later Parker line?
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I'm still on the hunt for my Italian python coin purse! The structure of the coin purse reminds me of the Madison Tuxedo bag 4415 that was made of leather in Italy in 1995, see below; does anyone have a catalog from 1995 or 96 that shows the tuxedo bags and might also show the coin purse?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Vintage-COACH-Madison-Tuxedo-Bag-4415-Shoulder-Bag-Clutch-with-box-EUC/124035385818?hash=item1ce115c9da:g:x-0AAOSwyaNd5XQN
I don't have a catalog, but I agree that it looks like something in the Madison line.
In almost all cases, the first color code stands for the hardware.
Here is a similar coin purse. It's from June 2001.
There is another one, #7881, made of polished calfskin from the same year, but the wayback isn't showing me a picture.
I had a similarly shaped coin purse made of wool, style #8179. I didn't write down the year but I think it was the early to mid 2000s.
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I can't find this one but my files have a style 6154 Python Clutch that I have marked as being from November 2000 so this has to be from the same line.
It wouldn't have been from the mid 1990s.
ETA - and here's an old PM listing for the 6154 Python Clutch. The creed and serial aren't clear but the seller gives the serial number as 9E-6154 which may be a 1999 year code, Made in the E Italy plant. We've seen the same kind of metal or metallic creed plaques in small exotic leather items from the same time and the same Italian plant before. I'll try to get some pictures but don't have much hope in improving the creed pic, maybe I'll just look for another one.
https://poshmark.com/listing/RARE-NWT-PYTHON-COACH-PURSE-LIMITED-EDITION-5b20050e2e1478f14bc02fed
ETA - Pics coming up, the creed is absolutely genuine and the second set of numbers indicates which number in the Limited Edition it is - 60 of 80, maybe? And 9E-6154 is the serial..
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November 2000! Of course that's when it was made! I had the answer right in my own closet but I didn't put it together because I was thinking of the older Italian Madison Bags!
My Lizard Framed Clutch 8190 with silver hardware is on the Wayback Machine for Nov 2000 and it has one of those small, metal, numbered, limited-edition creed plates, see link below.
So this little python coin purse must be part of the limited-edition, exotic bags that they produced just before Christmas 2000.
How would you interpret the hardware and color codes of "BK IY" on the tag for my little python coin purse?
Now I really can't wait for her to arrive!
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...-hand-made-and-vintage.1017506/#post-33338198
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I don't think there's a code on the tag for the metal, it's just BK black and IY Ivory. BK would never be used as both a fabric color and a hardware color. I have most of the classic and early China color codes and there's no BK code for any metal.
And that link is the discussion I mentioned about seeing other exotic leather items from the Italian plant with that unusual metal creed plaque.
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Yep, that's my little lizard bag with the numbered, metal creed!
I also interpreted BK IY as black and ivory but wondered about the metal. The ebay listing for the python coin purse describes the metal as "sterling silver" although I doubt that it is "sterling" but it might be plated silver. The metal on my Lizard Framed Clutch was tarnished brown/black just like silver and it polished up immediately with silver polish - and the color looks more like silver rather than chrome to me.
My new little purse looks like the perfect match for that Python Clutch and you're right that they are definitely from the same line, you can tell by the similar style numbers of 6172 BK IY and 6154 BK IY - so you've solved it! Thanks!
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I saw a haircalf little purse like this on the wayback from Dec 2000, so now I know that my new little accessory is called a "Slim Framed Coin Purse" and that it is from around 2000 and so that makes it vintage!
You guys are great, thank you!