Thank you both.
As @katev pointed out, the trim is also lamb. The creed also describes the trim as lamb nappa.
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As @katev pointed out, the trim is also lamb. The creed also describes the trim as lamb nappa.
Can anyone provide more information about this bag? Whateve posted about it a while ago, but I couldn't find any follow-up. Please let me know! Thank you!
I answered you in the vintage chat thread. At the time I got it, I had a private discussion with a collector. She had never seen this style before either. Have you seen another?
Can anyone provide more information about this bag? Whateve posted about it a while ago, but I couldn't find any follow-up. Please let me know! Thank you!
Do you think it's a Bonnie Cashin for Meyers?
I found this Pinterest image to an eBay listing:
The photos are gone but this was the item description:
It was listing no:
The style reminds me of the mailsac a little
I found this Pinterest image to an eBay listing:
The photos are gone but this was the item description:
It was listing no:
The style reminds me of the mailsac a little
On second thought the leather on this eBay listing seems more pebbled though than your bag and the strap details are different. I wonder if this was a prototype for Coach based on the Meyers bag that didn't get produced?
Thanks! How do you know? Is it because of the serial number? Because this post says the xxx-xxxx serial number format stopped in the late 80's?
I just purchased this bag from a friend on Instagram so I’m wanting more info
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Yes, @whateve does have one like it! The one I'm about to receive needs a little love, as you can see in the photos, but it should clean up nicely!
As we've mentioned many times here, relying on posts that you dig up on the internet is a good way to get incorrect or out of date information.
Examples from the post you referred to:
"Older bags and lovely vintage finds will be a bit more difficult since the serial number on the creed was not introduced until the late 1960's to early 1970's."
WRONG, Coach didn't start stamping serial numbers under the creeds until right around 1980 or maybe a year or two earlier. That's why NO Bonnie Cashin bags made during her partnership with Coach which ended in 1974 have serial numbers OR creeds. Whateve can probably supply fairly close dates for those changes. It's hard to give exact dates, but even the glued-on serial numbers which were the first kind Coach used don't seem to have come into use until the late 1970s, and stamped creeds without numbers came in only a few years before that.
" A switch in the format of the serial number came about in the late 80's. Where before it was "###-####" now they became "####-###."
NOT QUITE, the format was changed in 1990. And a few bags made around 1991-92 also use the older serial number format for some unknown reason.
The same blogger also posted authenticating information. Another mistake:
"There is a misconception that the pattern must match at the seams. This is not true, what is true is that the pattern will always be centered."
WRONG, quite a few lines like the Signature Optics, Scarf prints, and even a few Sig Messengers and several others don't have centered C patterns. A few styles have centered Cs on the front but not the back.
Here's a 70077 Heritage Stripe Crossbody right from the old Drilldown that doesn't have a centered pattern, examples of this style can still be found on Ebay too,
The Salearea Guides are accurate, up to date, and available at the top of every Coach Shopping forum index page. Please use those and not random internet "guides".
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I'm not sure what Sale Area guides you're talking about. I don't see them here:
And, I googled it and found this https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/salearea-guides.983575/, but that seems to disagree with what you said "the format was changed in 1990" when the Sale Area says, " Somewhere around 1989-1990 they changed to 4 numbers, the dash and 3 numbers (No 1234-567)" - which neither matches with what you said nor the blog I found. Is there a link to it on PurseForum somewhere? You'll have to forgive me, I understand if you feel like you've said this a million times to other posters, but I'm relatively new to the PurseForum, so I'm not familiar with what has gone in this thread in the past.
There are even at least 2 styles of "traditional" signature bags on which the pattern is centered and matched on the front (as per "the rule") but uncentered and mismatched on the backs.
Here are a couple of examples of 2 styles from 2006 which break the rule and would probably be reported as fake by the blogger to whom Hyacinth referred. Styles 10482 and 10483 are similar styles, both of which have the same aberrations.
Style 10482:
Style 10483:
I purposely left the years a bit vague in the Guides because Coach seldom made changes exactly on January First, and pre-style number serials are notoriously difficult to date exactly. And while I probably should have ignored that one statement by the blogger, the other mistakes I mentioned are more serious and could lead to the correct age of a bag being way off (vintage bags with creeds and even serial numbers being identified as Cashin or Cashin Era are good examples), or a genuine bag being reported as fake because of the C pattern not being centered.
ETA - there's the even more confusing case of a Sig Duffle style 10402 that was originally made with a centered medium C pattern on what I assume was the front and an UNcentered medium C pattern on the back, the side with the zip pocket. That was modified during production to a centered LARGE C pattern on both sides and the addition of an "M" right after the 10402 style code in the serial on some, but not all, of the modified versions.
Original 10402:
Modified 10402M:
Proof that "always" and "never" are dangerous words to use in a Coach guide when talking about Rules. "The most consistent thing about Coach is their inconsistency".
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I found that same Bonnie Cashin for Meyers when I was looking for information about my bag in 2016.
It looks like the same style.