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#11,701
Hyacinth said:
Just wondering - what are the bag's measurements?
Is there any outside back pocket?
What about a pocket under the flap? It doesn't look like there's one there.
When you say the hardware was rusted, do you mean actual orange rust-color, or just discolored? And are the buckles silver-color? Is there anything stamped on the underside of the buckles?
Does the flap have any kind of magnetic snap or closure, or does it just hang freely?

Even if it's not a Coach, it still looks like a nice useful bag. But like Whateve said, the description just doesn't fit any of the Coaches we know about. The only similar style I know of had an outside pocket on the back and another one under the front flap. And anything bigger than about 8 inches across should have had a creed stamp, although if the leather was swollen up from being in damp ground that might have almost disappeared..
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It is 9.5" wide x 9.5" tall x 3" deep. Pocket front (under flap) and back. Flap loose...no turnlock, no megnetic clasp.
 

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#11,702
SVSW said:
It is 9.5" wide x 9.5" tall x 3" deep. Pocket front (under flap) and back. Flap loose...no turnlock, no megnetic clasp.
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I think it IS a 9144 Legacy Studio Flap, probably from around 2000-2001, the pockets are right and it also has a zippered inside pocket just like the 9144. None of those details showed in your original photos, but I thought it was close enough to the Legacy Studio Flap to ask about those details. The missing creed is probably because of the leather swelling due to the dampness, and the creed stamps on that style were very shallow and faint even in bags that hadn't been half-buried in topsoil for heaven knows how long.

That has to be one of the most unusual "find" stories we've ever heard. Below is a pic from the Fall 2001 catalog. If you need any help in rehabbing it, check out the Rehab And Rescue thread in the Coach Clubhouse forum:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/coach-rehab-and-rescue-club.833400/page-861#post-31072576

Enjoy your "new" Coach! :yahoo:

9144_Legacy Studio Flap-Fall 2001-a.jpg
 
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#11,703
Hyacinth said:
I think it IS a 9144 Legacy Studio Flap, probably from around 2000-2001, the pockets are right and it also has a zippered inside pocket just like the 9144. None of those details showed in your original photos, but I thought it was close enough to the Legacy Studio Flap to ask about those details. The missing creed is probably because of the leather swelling due to the dampness, and the creed stamps on that style were very shallow and faint even in bags that hadn't been half-buried in topsoil for heaven knows how long.

That has to be one of the most unusual "find" stories we've ever heard. Below is a pic from the Fall 2001 catalog. If you need any help in rehabbing it, check out the Rehab And Rescue thread in the Coach Clubhouse forum:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/coach-rehab-and-rescue-club.833400/page-861#post-31072576

Enjoy your "new" Coach! :yahoo:

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Thank you so much! Thats totally my "new" bag! Definitely a strange find.

I am also glad I found this forum because I was stumped and none of my friends understood why i was geeked; they just thought it was weird and gross that i'd bring home a muddy purse.

Thanks again.
 
#11,705
Hyacinth said:
I think it IS a 9144 Legacy Studio Flap, probably from around 2000-2001, the pockets are right and it also has a zippered inside pocket just like the 9144. None of those details showed in your original photos, but I thought it was close enough to the Legacy Studio Flap to ask about those details. The missing creed is probably because of the leather swelling due to the dampness, and the creed stamps on that style were very shallow and faint even in bags that hadn't been half-buried in topsoil for heaven knows how long.

That has to be one of the most unusual "find" stories we've ever heard. Below is a pic from the Fall 2001 catalog. If you need any help in rehabbing it, check out the Rehab And Rescue thread in the Coach Clubhouse forum:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/coach-rehab-and-rescue-club.833400/page-861#post-31072576

Enjoy your "new" Coach! :yahoo:

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One last quick update: as it's dried, the creed has become somewhat visible. VERY faint and hard to photograph, but here you can almost see the "9144":IMG_6331.JPG
 
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http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1f8AAOSwB-1YvJmb/s-l500.jpg
I've got two Willis bags but some of the differences confuse me..

Blue: W13- 9927, 10.5" x 9.75" x ~2.9" Made in the United States, no YXX on the inside zipper, but a circular marking
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3TMAAOSwfVpYvKPr/s-l1600.jpg

Brown: D4F- 9136. 10.5" 10" x ~3" No mention of country, has YXX on the inside zipper
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1yIAAOSwOgdYvKQB/s-l1600.jpg
The brown one is a little bit taller and feels a bit deeper, and looks and seems like it is pre 90s Coach.. The blue one seems like it is made in the 90s but .. W13? Is it pre-90s but after they assigned the 9927 to the Willis line, and the brown one is even earlier? When did people start faking Coach bags? Do you have an idea when these were made/authenticate?
 
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#11,707
purplehippo said:
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1f8AAOSwB-1YvJmb/s-l500.jpg
I've got two Willis bags but some of the differences confuse me..

Blue: W13- 9927, 10.5" x 9.75" x ~2.9" Made in the United States, no YXX on the inside zipper, but a circular marking
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3TMAAOSwfVpYvKPr/s-l1600.jpg

Brown: D4F- 9136. 10.5" 10" x ~3" No mention of country, has YXX on the inside zipper
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1yIAAOSwOgdYvKQB/s-l1600.jpg
The brown one is a little bit taller and feels a bit deeper, and looks and seems like it is pre 90s Coach.. The blue one seems like it is made in the 90s but .. W13? Is it pre-90s but after they assigned the 9927 to the Willis line, and the brown one is even earlier? When did people start faking Coach bags? Do you have an idea when these were made/authenticate?
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Sorry, both items are fake. Neither creed is valid. There are many problems, but the obvious ones are the brown one has the wrong style number and no country of manufacture, and the blue has an invalid month code. The first letter is the month code and has to be a letter between A and M, so W is invalid. The blue one also has a factory code that was never used for the United States.
For future authentications, post your request in our Authenticate thread here: https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/
 
#11,710
purplehippo said:
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1f8AAOSwB-1YvJmb/s-l500.jpg
I've got two Willis bags but some of the differences confuse me..

Blue: W13- 9927, 10.5" x 9.75" x ~2.9" Made in the United States, no YXX on the inside zipper, but a circular marking
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3TMAAOSwfVpYvKPr/s-l1600.jpg

Brown: D4F- 9136. 10.5" 10" x ~3" No mention of country, has YXX on the inside zipper
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1yIAAOSwOgdYvKQB/s-l1600.jpg
The brown one is a little bit taller and feels a bit deeper, and looks and seems like it is pre 90s Coach.. The blue one seems like it is made in the 90s but .. W13? Is it pre-90s but after they assigned the 9927 to the Willis line, and the brown one is even earlier? When did people start faking Coach bags? Do you have an idea when these were made/authenticate?
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To answer just one of your questions - the others are unanswerable because they're both fake.

It seems to me at least that large-scale counterfeiting of Coaches probably started around 1989-1990. Any earlier fakes were most likely one-offs or small scale and made by Korean "copyists". And what's stamped on the zipper doesn't mean a bloody thing. Why wouldn't fakes makers be able to buy real OR fake YKK zippers?

Please read the six Salearea Coach Guides posted at Ebay for more information.
http://www.ebay.com/gsr/i.html?uid="salearea"&rmvSB=true

Where did you buy those, and how long ago? If they're recent Ebay purchases you still may be able to get your money back.
 
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#11,711
Hyacinth said:
To answer just one of your questions - the others are unanswerable because they're both fake.

It seems to me at least that large-scale counterfeiting of Coaches probably started around 1989-1990. Any earlier fakes were most likely one-offs or small scale and made by Korean "copyists". And what's stamped on the zipper doesn't mean a bloody thing. Why wouldn't fakes makers be able to buy real OR fake YKK zippers?

Please read the six Salearea Coach Guides posted at Ebay for more information.
http://www.ebay.com/gsr/i.html?uid="salearea"&rmvSB=true

Where did you buy those, and how long ago? If they're recent Ebay purchases you still may be able to get your money back.
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I just bought them(/got them in the mail yesterday) on Ebay.. the seller said they were real, but I think that she might have been fooled too... Would you recommend going through an Ebay claim or go through the CC (used Discover)?

ahhh, this sucks. Time to go hunting again... and see what to do with these fakes...
 
#11,712
whateve said:
Sorry, it looks similar to a Coach from the late 90s or early 2000s, but if there is no creed, it isn't. I don't remember a north south flap style like that with a zipper under the flap. Very curious about how it ended up under a bush!
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I would say a thief has chucked it after stealing the contents someone out there is probably still,hoping it may turn up
 
#11,713
purplehippo said:
I just bought them(/got them in the mail yesterday) on Ebay.. the seller said they were real, but I think that she might have been fooled too... Would you recommend going through an Ebay claim or go through the CC (used Discover)?

ahhh, this sucks. Time to go hunting again... and see what to do with these fakes...
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Go through ebay. First contact the seller through ebay messages and point her here. If she isn't cooperative, open an ebay return request, not as described. You can copy the reasons listed in my post above in your return request. If the seller wants them back she will have to reimburse you in full and pay for you to ship them back.
 
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