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#5,956
netlawyer said:
Hey Whatev! Thank you so much! Was wondering how you got the 1980 date for your bag?

I checked the US Patent and Trademark Office website and the trademark Registration on the Coach cartouche was issued December 18, 1984, so that means Coach would have had from December, 1984, plus the time to update the stamps for the use of the (R) on the creed. They filed their trademark application in June 1983, so even if they used the (R) before the trademark registration issued (which is a huge no-no and illegal), I would be surprised if they used the (R) before they had even filed the application to register the trademark in 1980.

It is also interesting that they claimed a first use date of May, 1963 (19630500) for the class of goods that includes purses, so they were using the Coach trademark in this specific cartouche configuration in connection with bags going back to that date. (Which would also have to exclude Coach's traditional leather goods since that would go back to the 1940s.) The bags were probably sold in packaging or they had a label attached.

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4801:ng3ygl.6.1

I also saw your thoughts on "the first Coach bag" being a tote rather than the Pouch -I saw this auction and wondered if the teal bag might be one of those early bags. It clearly has the same handle attachments some of Coach's early totes and doesn't seem to say Coach on it - but the striped lining (which is different than Cashin's Mexican cotton) and the "GLOVE TANNED COWHIDE" stamp make me wonder whether that could be one of those early bags.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COA...CY-STRIPE-KISSLOCK-COLOR-UNIQUE-/261202934226

Interestingly, this Bonnie Cashin bag has the same lining as the teal bag (based on the maroon blue brown pattern shown on the far right of the teal bag). I wonder if she started using Coach striped lining and then updated it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Vtg-6...GACY-STRIPE-2-Labels-RARE-COLOR-/300882047988
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Based just on the catalogs, Coach was using the "registered" mark in their catalogs at least as early as 1979, although usage was kind of hit-or-miss based on the first page shown below. The word "Coach" by itself usually doesn't have the mark, but the terms "Coach Leatherware" and "Coach bag" usually do. Maybe bags made during that period may have had the mark on the creed since the term "Coach bag" was used there too.

It was also used in the early 1980s, second pic is from a 1981 catalog, the third pic is the cover of the same catalog. By the end of the 80s its use had been reduced to maybe as little as two times per catalog, maybe the first and last pages, which was probably enough to satisfy Sara Lee's legal department. They also used it the first time they mentioned a specific line, like "Coach Spectator" or "Coach Business".
 

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#5,957
whateve said:
Actually Coach made this style for FP in 2009 but with a different style number. It was Hailey #14337. They wouldn't keep a style around in FP that long but for things that sell well, they often remake them for department stores. They have done this with Zoe and Carly too.
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I was traveling and missed your response. 2009 pre-dates my infatuation with Coach, so I would have never known that this was a department store re-make of a popular style. :ty:so much for sharing your expertise. It is a cool bag!
 
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Hyacinth said:
Based just on the catalogs, Coach was using the "registered" mark in their catalogs at least as early as 1979, although usage was kind of hit-or-miss based on the first page shown below. The word "Coach" by itself usually doesn't have the mark, but the terms "Coach Leatherware" and "Coach bag" usually do. Maybe bags made during that period may have had the mark on the creed since the term "Coach bag" was used there too.

It was also used in the early 1980s, second pic is from a 1981 catalog, the third pic is the cover of the same catalog. By the end of the 80s its use had been reduced to maybe as little as two times per catalog, maybe the first and last pages, which was probably enough to satisfy Sara Lee's legal department. They also used it the first time they mentioned a specific line, like "Coach Spectator" or "Coach Business".
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Thanks for the additional info Whateve and Hyacinth, these photos are wonderful!! I am going to go digging for more trademark history and see what else I can find!
 
#5,960
Belleetbonne said:
I found this lovely little Coach wristlet while out and about thrifting but have no idea what it's called. It measures about 8" across 4" tall and 2" deep. The lining is khaki twill with no patch and a small black "made in china" tab inside. I would appreciate anyone's help :)
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http://web.archive.org/web/20040406...w_bc=&base_index=0&sort_by_price=&easyask_id=

It's some kind of Mini Signature Wristlet. The Tassel makes me think that it's a Hamptons, but I didn't find an exact one.
 
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#5,967
Lizzrd said:
Hi there!

New here...motivated by this purse to come for help. Saw it at a recent book signing. I'm sure it's an older style, but I'm still desperate to locate one. Any ideas? TIA!

http://www.evernote.com/shard/s1/sh...1cb178ff33f1/993ee47f27506631bd99e47ea8b530a4
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Tetondeb said:
I think those are still in the factory stores...if not...something similar will be!

COACH 20441 CHAMPAGNE DAISY METALLIC LEATHER TOTE BAG

Model: Coach 20441 MSRP: $298.00
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In case you aren't familiar with Coach pricing, don't expect to pay the MSRP for this bag. At Coach factory stores, they are typically at least 50% off.
 
#5,969
I found this at a local thrift - the only marking is the Coach lozenge on the exterior under the flap, and there is an outlet bullseye on the interior, but no creed. I apologize for the awful picture of the lozenge, if it's necessary I can take more. The purse is 7 L x 4.5 H x 1 D. It's a pretty medium/denum blue.







 
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