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What's interesting is that the bag itself is genuine but the Olympic stamp is fake. Not only is it slightly off-center, but Coach didn't stamp any existing items with the USOC stamp, everything made for the Olympics was a brand-new item.

And the creeds would always have the Olympic logo and be worded specially as an official Olympic item. That stamp on the Regis really looks bad.
Just curious, but would that make this item technically counterfeit? Not a counterfeit Coach, but a counterfeit Olympic item? Does it violate Ebay rules?
 
Just curious, but would that make this item technically counterfeit? Not a counterfeit Coach, but a counterfeit Olympic item? Does it violate Ebay rules?

I'd say it does.The Olympic rings are trademarked just like the NASCAR name. Whether or not a t-shirt was made by the company on the label, if it's imprinted with the NASCAR logo and wasn't made or authorized by NASCAR it's still counterfeit, right? There's still a trademark violation involved. At least that's how I'm interpreting the rules and the laws.
 
I found this lovely little Coach wristlet while out and about thrifting but have no idea what it's called. It measures about 8" across 4" tall and 2" deep. The lining is khaki twill with no patch and a small black "made in china" tab inside. I would appreciate anyone's help :)
 

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I'd say it does.The Olympic rings are trademarked just like the NASCAR name. Whether or not a t-shirt was made by the company on the label, if it's imprinted with the NASCAR logo and wasn't made or authorized by NASCAR it's still counterfeit, right? There's still a trademark violation involved. At least that's how I'm interpreting the rules and the laws.
That's what I believe too.
 
I'd say it does.The Olympic rings are trademarked just like the NASCAR name. Whether or not a t-shirt was made by the company on the label, if it's imprinted with the NASCAR logo and wasn't made or authorized by NASCAR it's still counterfeit, right? There's still a trademark violation involved. At least that's how I'm interpreting the rules and the laws.

You are correct Hyacinth, in the US no one but the USOC can authorize use of the Olympic Rings. So it is a counterfeit item. I've reported the bag.
 
Hi ladies - am visiting my Mom and have pulled out her Coach bags. Would
appreciate any help you can provide in identifying them for us.

First is a small navy flap pouch with the Coach metal tag. 8" wide 7" tall and 3.5" deep. No pocket on back and no zipper on inside pocket. ImageUploadedByPurseForum1366590512.370463.jpgImageUploadedByPurseForum1366590526.271761.jpgImageUploadedByPurseForum1366590400.238723.jpgImageUploadedByPurseForum1366590418.638144.jpg ImageUploadedByPurseForum1366590464.638131.jpg
 
2. Brown clutch portfolio 9" tall x 13" wide x 1" deep Lost her serial number. :-( I am interested in how large the type seems for the MADE IN NEW
YORK CITY line and was wondering if anyone knew dates for the use of the (R) on the creed?ImageUploadedByPurseForum1366590697.888122.jpgImageUploadedByPurseForum1366590626.787846.jpgImageUploadedByPurseForum1366590648.471676.jpg
 
2. Brown clutch portfolio 9" tall x 13" wide x 1" deep Lost her serial number. :-( I am interested in how large the type seems for the MADE IN NEW
YORK CITY line and was wondering if anyone knew dates for the use of the (R) on the creed?View attachment 2151360View attachment 2151358View attachment 2151359
This is a slim clutch large #9555. In 1981, it retailed for $62. If you are talking about the registered trademark symbol, Coach used that at one time. I haven't been able to narrow down the exact years when it was used, but I think I have seen it only on bags with a glued in serial number - one of mine I know was made in 1980.
 
This is a slim clutch large #9555. In 1981, it retailed for $62. If you are talking about the registered trademark symbol, Coach used that at one time. I haven't been able to narrow down the exact years when it was used, but I think I have seen it only on bags with a glued in serial number - one of mine I know was made in 1980.

Thanks, Whateve! I'm giving it a bath while I am here this week. I also brought her a rehabbed Compartment Shopper for Mother's Day to thank her for starting me on Coach young (got my first Coach for my sweet 16).
 
I found this lovely little Coach wristlet while out and about thrifting but have no idea what it's called. It measures about 8" across 4" tall and 2" deep. The lining is khaki twill with no patch and a small black "made in china" tab inside. I would appreciate anyone's help :)
Hi there! Just wondering if I've just posted this on the wrong thread? I know it's authentic just hoping someone might be able to help me identify this lovely little wristlet.
 
This is a slim clutch large #9555. In 1981, it retailed for $62. If you are talking about the registered trademark symbol, Coach used that at one time. I haven't been able to narrow down the exact years when it was used, but I think I have seen it only on bags with a glued in serial number - one of mine I know was made in 1980.

Hey Whatev! Thank you so much! Was wondering how you got the 1980 date for your bag?

I checked the US Patent and Trademark Office website and the trademark Registration on the Coach cartouche was issued December 18, 1984, so that means Coach would have had from December, 1984, plus the time to update the stamps for the use of the (R) on the creed. They filed their trademark application in June 1983, so even if they used the (R) before the trademark registration issued (which is a huge no-no and illegal), I would be surprised if they used the (R) before they had even filed the application to register the trademark in 1980.

It is also interesting that they claimed a first use date of May, 1963 (19630500) for the class of goods that includes purses, so they were using the Coach trademark in this specific cartouche configuration in connection with bags going back to that date. (Which would also have to exclude Coach's traditional leather goods since that would go back to the 1940s.) The bags were probably sold in packaging or they had a label attached.

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4801:ng3ygl.6.1

I also saw your thoughts on "the first Coach bag" being a tote rather than the Pouch -I saw this auction and wondered if the teal bag might be one of those early bags. It clearly has the same handle attachments some of Coach's early totes and doesn't seem to say Coach on it - but the striped lining (which is different than Cashin's Mexican cotton) and the "GLOVE TANNED COWHIDE" stamp make me wonder whether that could be one of those early bags.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COA...CY-STRIPE-KISSLOCK-COLOR-UNIQUE-/261202934226

Interestingly, this Bonnie Cashin bag has the same lining as the teal bag (based on the maroon blue brown pattern shown on the far right of the teal bag). I wonder if she started using Coach striped lining and then updated it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Vtg-6...GACY-STRIPE-2-Labels-RARE-COLOR-/300882047988
 
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I found this lovely little Coach wristlet while out and about thrifting but have no idea what it's called. It measures about 8" across 4" tall and 2" deep. The lining is khaki twill with no patch and a small black "made in china" tab inside. I would appreciate anyone's help :)
I saw your posts earlier but I don't know the official Coach name. It's some type of mini sig wristlet.
 
Hey Whatev! Thank you so much! Was wondering how you got the 1980 date for your bag?

I checked the US Patent and Trademark Office website and the trademark Registration on the Coach cartouche was issued December 18, 1984, so that means Coach would have had from December, 1984, plus the time to update the stamps for the use of the (R) on the creed. They filed their trademark application in June 1983, so even if they used the (R) before the trademark registration issued (which is a huge no-no and illegal), I would be surprised if they used the (R) before they had even filed the application to register the trademark in 1980.

It is also interesting that they claimed a first use date of May, 1963 (19630500) for the class of goods that includes purses, so they were using the Coach trademark in this specific cartouche configuration in connection with bags going back to that date. (Which would also have to exclude Coach's traditional leather goods since that would go back to the 1940s.) The bags were probably sold in packaging or they had a label attached.

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4801:ng3ygl.6.1

I also saw your thoughts on "the first Coach bag" being a tote rather than the Pouch -I saw this auction and wondered if the teal bag might be one of those early bags. It clearly has the same handle attachments some of Coach's early totes and doesn't seem to say Coach on it - but the striped lining (which is different than Cashin's Mexican cotton) and the "GLOVE TANNED COWHIDE" stamp make me wonder whether that could be one of those early bags.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COA...CY-STRIPE-KISSLOCK-COLOR-UNIQUE-/261202934226

Interestingly, this Bonnie Cashin bag has the same lining as the teal bag (based on the maroon blue brown pattern shown on the far right of the teal bag). I wonder if she started using Coach striped lining and then updated it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Vtg-6...GACY-STRIPE-2-Labels-RARE-COLOR-/300882047988
I got the 1980 date for my bag because it came with a pouch of paperwork, including a catalog with the code 8005 on the front, which I thought might have stood for May 1980 or the fifth catalog and 1980, and a "The Factory" brochure that includes the wording "In the almost 40 years since it was established..." and has a code of 8001 on it. The catalog contains the sentence "For more than fifteen years Coach has been producing the same great-looking bags," which is consistent with the first purse being made in the mid 1960's. The registered trademark symbol appears in the paperwork. I've seen quite a few bags with the glued in serial number that came with similar paperwork.

I really think that Coach started using the registered trademark symbol because somebody advised them to do so. I don't know why they stopped using it unless they realized that it wasn't necessary. The data seem to imply that they used the symbol before they were legally allowed to do so, unless there was another trademark application earlier that we don't know about.

There is no conclusive proof that NYC bags with the glued on serial numbers predate those with stamped numbers. They could have stamped the numbers directly in the bags for awhile when there were fewer workers, and then switched to the glued on numbers because there was only one number stamping machine for several workers.

Thank you for your thoughts on the first Coach bag. That teal bag sure looks like it could have been one of the first, and it doesn't look like a typical Bonnie Cashin.
 
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