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[Hyacinth]

Did Coach ever make the City Bag 9790 in saddle color with brass hardware?

I am still trying to figure out the color of this bag. I have studied the catalogs and I don't think that it is british tan, tabac, beige, putty, taupe, caramel, camel, or honey - but I am not sure.

I've also scoured the Wayback Machine and I couldn't find any City Bags (of any color) listed during 2002 or 2003 but I know that they made them because I have this one!

I've also found another example of this same color city bag from 2002 on Poshmark, see the link below: https://poshmark.com/listing/Coach-...ther-Crossbody-Purse-627e9247ac97027f297df422

I'm leaning toward saddle color but I don't know if the City Bag was ever offered in saddle? The pictures below were taken both without and with flash and I would greatly appreciate hearing the opinions of my fellow Coachies! Thanks!

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You could post a photo of the creed and serial so we could narrow the timeframe down. It's a lot less work than looking through more than 2 decades of City Bag production. Once you narrow the approximate date down, the Vintage Catalogs thread is where to start.

If it's from 2002 or 2003, it would also help to know if it was probably made in the US for the boutiques so that it might be in someone's paper catalog. If it was an early Made in China bag for the outlets it might be almost impossible to nail down the exact color, just like what we've seen with those various blues in the MFF bags from the 2004 to 2006 period. If it was made in the early 2000s it's VERY unlikely to be an early color like Tabac or Putty.

 

[katev]

You could post a photo of the creed and serial so we could narrow the timeframe down. It's a lot less work than looking through more than 2 decades of City Bag production. Once you narrow the approximate date down, the Vintage Catalogs thread is where to start.

If it's from 2002 or 2003, it would also help to know if it was probably made in the US for the boutiques so that it might be in someone's paper catalog. If it was an early Made in China bag for the outlets it might be almost impossible to nail down the exact color, just like what we've seen with those various blues in the MFF bags from the 2004 to 2006 period. If it was made in the early 2000s it's VERY unlikely to be an early color like Tabac or Putty.

Sorry I forgot to repost the creed picture! I've been on the hunt for the color of this bag for some time now. It was made in China in 2002 for the Coach boutique stores but it sold as an FP Delete, probably at the outlet.

Digging through catalogs and the Wayback wasn't my 1st choice but I still haven't had much luck finding anything about this color of City Bag! I would be tempted to call it camel but it has brass hardware instead of nickel. I was thinking of saddle but I don't know if the City Bag was ever made in a saddle/brass combo?

 

[snappletini]

Hi. I can't find much info on the Coach 4952 Suede bucket bag (Sonoma?). Does anyone have reference info? Thanks!

 

[Hyacinth]

Hi. I can't find much info on the Coach 4952 Suede bucket bag (Sonoma?). Does anyone have reference info? Thanks!

It's a Helen's Legacy Nubuc from around 1997. Here's the 1997 Holiday catalog pages, click to enlarge:

 

[Hyacinth]

Sorry I forgot to repost the creed! I've been on the hunt for the color of this bag for some time now. It was made in China in 2002 for the Coach boutique stores but it sold as an FP Delete, probably at the outlet.

Digging through catalogs and the Wayback wasn't my 1st choice but I still haven't had much luck finding anything about this color of City Bag! I would be tempted to call it camel but it has brass hardware instead of nickel.

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The only tan color available with brass hardware from late 2002-early 2003 that I can find was called Doe, but in the catalog it looks like BT, quite a bit darker than the bag in your photo. The majority of leather Coaches for the boutiques were already using mostly nickel hardware by around 2003.

The Classic styles were being phased out in the early 2000s, none appear in the catalogs and only 1 or 2 on the website but the Wayback isn't complete, and I think that bag may be one of the early classic styles that were being made, or at least tested, in China for the outlets. You bought it in 2019

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so there's no way to know for sure that it was made for the boutiques, the outlet stamp was used on bags designed specifically for the Factory Stores too. The F code for outlet-only styles didn't come into use until several years later, in mid-2006, so there was really no way to tell boutique transfers from outlet-specific items until then.

At least one other City Bag is in my files with a Made in China creed from the same Chinese plant and with an outlet stamp from just 4 months later, April 2003. The serial number and creed fonts are the same, the different in the creeds is that the newer one has the "burnished" creed wording.



ETA - and from August 2003:



But I still can't tell you the name of the color. If it was made for the outlets, you'd probably need to find one with the original price tag.

 

[WishingonaCoach]

Hello, hopefully you can help me with this one. I was going to post on the authentication thread, but the link to the Ebay listing was old and no longer active, so I only have this one picture as I found it on a Google search about Sonoma bags.
This seems to be a tote, carryall. I have checked all the catalogs I have found, and no similar photos.
The picture on Google had "very rare Coach Sonoma... and that's it, as I said the link was dead.

TIA

 

[whateve]

Hello, hopefully you can help me with this one. I was going to post on the authentication thread, but the link to the Ebay listing was old and no longer active, so I only have this one picture as I found it on a Google search about Sonoma bags.
This seems to be a tote, carryall. I have checked all the catalogs I have found, and no similar photos.
The picture on Google had "very rare Coach Sonoma... and that's it, as I said the link was dead.

TIA
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It's not a Sonoma. It's a Sheridan. I have it in my files as "unknown."

 

[WishingonaCoach]

It's not a Sonoma. It's a Sheridan. I have it in my files as "unknown."

Yes of course a Sheridan, duh! Brain f....

So as unknown means no style number, no official name..... bummer! Thank you as usual whateve!

 

[katev]

The only tan color available with brass hardware from late 2002-early 2003 that I can find was called Doe, but in the catalog it looks like BT, quite a bit darker than the bag in your photo. The majority of leather Coaches for the boutiques were already using mostly nickel hardware by around 2003.

The Classic styles were being phased out in the early 2000s, none appear in the catalogs and only 1 or 2 on the website but the Wayback isn't complete, and I think that bag may be one of the early classic styles that were being made, or at least tested, in China for the outlets. You bought it in 2019

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so there's no way to know for sure that it was made for the boutiques, the outlet stamp was used on bags designed specifically for the Factory Stores too. The F code for outlet-only styles didn't come into use until several years later, in mid-2006, so there was really no way to tell boutique transfers from outlet-specific items until then.

At least one other City Bag is in my files with a Made in China creed from the same Chinese plant and with an outlet stamp from just 4 months later, April 2003. The serial number and creed fonts are the same, the different in the creeds is that the newer one has the "burnished" creed wording.

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ETA - and from August 2003:

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But I still can't tell you the name of the color. If it was made for the outlets, you'd probably need to find one with the original price tag.

Thanks so much, I really appreciate your information. I find that figuring out the colors of vintage bags can be very challenging - and sometimes you just can't do it!

 

[Hyacinth]

Yes of course a Sheridan, duh! Brain f....

So as unknown means no style number, no official name..... bummer! Thank you as usual whateve!

We have measurements, 16x12 inches which means a briefcase or business tote. And also photos with a Made in Italy creed patch, but no name or serial number. Maybe if anyone has paper catalogs from around 1992-1996 they could check the Business section? The most likely years since it doesn't have a serial would probably be 1992-1994.






It's similar to and the same size as the 4220 Sheridan Hollister Tote but the Hollister doesn't have any outside pockets or that smooth leather panel right above the base. It's not a Wendell Tote either.

 

[WishingonaCoach]

We have measurements, 16x12 inches which means a briefcase or business tote. And also photos with a Made in Italy creed patch, but no name or serial number. Maybe if anyone has paper catalogs from around 1992-1996 they could check the Business section? The most likely years since it doesn't have a serial would probably be 1992-1994.

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It's similar to and the same size as the 4220 Sheridan Hollister Tote but the Hollister doesn't have any outside pockets or that smooth leather panel right above the base. It's not a Wendell Tote either.

Thank you so much Hyacinth, this helps a lot because on the catalogs I checked I was looking for purses, not on the business section. I will take another look, but if you ladies have not found it by now, I doubt I will.

 

[katev]

I'm trying to figure out what kind of a fastener is a snaplock and what style of bags had them?

I recently mistakenly referred to the fastener on a vintage Studio Flap Bag as a "snaplock" and @Hyacinth kindly told me that it is actually called a "magnetic snap" (thank you!)

I know that I have heard the term "snaplock" used before but I don't know which bags actually had a snaplock? I was thinking that it might be the unusual closure found on the Chrystie bags but I have a lovely Roll Bag 9044 (and I think that it has the same kind of fastener as the Chrysties ?) and the Coach catalog describes it as having a "springlock", see pics below.

So does anyone know if Coach used the terms "Snaplock" and "Springlock" interchangeably or is the snaplock yet still another type of fastening?

I just want to make sure that I am using the descriptive terms correctly, thanks!

 

[Crystal2022]

Hello everyone, my name is Crystal and I am new here. I have been looking around and all this info and pictures and links! It's going to take me a while, so I hope not to be doing anything wrong in the meantime.

I love Coach purses and I normally buy at the Outlets when I can afford it, but lately I have been paying attention to the vintage bags, after being told that the vintage leather can be cleaned and fixed, so I would like to learn and do that.

I want to ask for recommendations if it's OK. I prefer bags in odd shapes, not really the typical square or round ones. I remember seeing one like a taco, other like an hexagon, one looked like a trapezoid... I should have written the info down, my fault.

If you could give me some names/pointers to start looking, I would really appreciate it. TU

 

[sallellen]

Hello everyone, my name is Crystal and I am new here. I have been looking around and all this info and pictures and links! It's going to take me a while, so I hope not to be doing anything wrong in the meantime.

I love Coach purses and I normally buy at the Outlets when I can afford it, but lately I have been paying attention to the vintage bags, after being told that the vintage leather can be cleaned and fixed, so I would like to learn and do that.

I want to ask for recommendations if it's OK. I prefer bags in odd shapes, not really the typical square or round ones. I remember seeing one like a taco, other like an hexagon, one looked like a trapezoid... I should have written the info down, my fault.

If you could give me some names/pointers to start looking, I would really appreciate it. TU

Welcome, Crystal!
There are vintage Coach catalogs here that you might enjoy looking through: https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/vintage-coach-catalogs.1045341/

 

[Hyacinth]

I'm trying to figure out what kind of a fastener is a snaplock and what style of bags had them?

I recently mistakenly referred to the fastener on a vintage Studio Flap Bag as a "snaplock" and @Hyacinth kindly told me that it is actually called a "magnetic snap" (thank you!)

I know that I have heard the term "snaplock" used before but I don't know which bags actually had a snaplock? I was thinking that it might be the unusual closure found on the Chrystie bags but I have a lovely Roll Bag 9044 (and I think that it has the same kind of fastener as the Chrysties ?) and the Coach catalog describes it as having a "springlock", see pics below.

So does anyone know if Coach used the terms "Snaplock" and "Springlock" interchangeably or is the snaplock yet still another type of fastening?

I just want to make sure that I am using the descriptive terms correctly, thanks!

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Closure names can be confusing. What I call a Magnetic Snap is usually at least in older catalogs called a "magnetic snap closure" by Coach. That's the style we're most familiar with and that Coach is still using, there were two or three different sizes available, each by different manufacturers IIRC. There was also the Springlock, like the one on your Roll Bag, and a Touchlock style used on the 1992 Camden Classics and a few other lines.


If you look through the Coach Reference subforum, Vintage Coach Catalogs thread for the 1992 Fall Special Edition catalog, you'll find examples of the two older and now discontinued closure designs, Springlock and Touchlock. "Snaplock" is harder to pin down and might just be a catch-all term for the small snaps usually found on wallets and other small items, I can't find any official use by Coach of that term after searching the forums and my own files. We may have been using it interchangeably for "Springlock" so I should probably stop using it.

https://forum.purseblog.com/search/1509596/?q=snaplock&o=date

Springlocks and Touchlocks were only used for a short time because the small spring mechanism inside both styles could break or come loose and replacements got harder and harder to find. The solid Magnetic Snap Closures were pretty much foolproof as long as one piece was "male" and the other "female".


Here's an example of the Touchlock:




Hope that helps clear up any confusion.