This is literally a copy and paste of what they told me! I'm torn, I was set on v lif but I've read lots of not so great reviews on here so I'm not sure now. If anyone has any recommendations for a good facelift surgeon that doesn't cost the esrth in Korea or Turkey I would love to hear from you
How to go from 50+ to looking 20+ with plastic surgery rejuvenation.
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I've been reading all your posts on facelifts in Korea and they have been so informative! Thanks so much for sharing all your info. I have now decided against Vlif. Are there any decently priced surgeons who perform good facelifts in Korea that you would recommend! Also, I noticed you have seen Dr Dirk Kremer. I have been considering him also. Can I ask how much he charged and if you are satisfied with the results? You should be! You look amazing 😍
Hi @MissOrange, I got it wrong, the clinic says they have Toradal (Ketotolac) as a IM painkiller shot, not tramadal. Do you think that will be strong enough before Lipo?
Today's post is on finding a surgeon who shares your vision. It is very important to find surgeons who are on your same wavelength; you do not want to look 5-10 years younger but want to look 20-30 years younger! If they laugh at you, walk away. Bring a photo of you when young and say I want to look like this! Good surgeons will be able to create anything as they are artists. Don't settle for less or a factory conveyor belt type of surgeon who doesn't care but just sees you as a mega $ sign or next month's condo rent and whatever you do, do NOT fall for the consultant translator's upselling technique. They get a commission so the more they make you pay, the more they may pocket. You do not need everything done to your face in one go as the surgeon may not be the best for eyes or noses if he is a facelift surgeon. You want to go to the best for that particular area of your face. A facelift surgeon may not be the best at fat grafting. You need to go to the best in fat grafting or you will lose 100% of the fat graft within 2-6 weeks so why throw away $1000s??? In 2020 various Korean clinics suggested I needed zygoma reduction, v line surgery, facelift, accusculpt etc. I was shocked that they were just adding and adding to their cost calculations. Do NOT trust the translator who is the one coming up with the list after a quick word with the surgeon. Less is more. 10 years ago ID clinic emailed me and said I needed double jaw surgery! Can you believe the lifelong complications I may have to live with had I blindly trusted them?! Please choose a surgeon to do one procedure only, the one you need and you want, not the one that they can charge you the most for.
Here is a side by side of me at 33 vs 57. The face shape is nearly identical. It can be achieved. The eyelids are almost 8 years old and cost £1667 with Dr Seo as I picked the best for rejuvenating mature eyes. He does 1000s a year. I chose a rhinoplasty plastic surgeon to do my rib rhino. I did not choose an ENT surgeon to operate on my nose as I trained in ENT and they do NOT have enough practice in rib rhinoplasty as they mostly do septoplasty to correct a crooked internal septum. Gosh I have to laugh at my sparse overplucked eyebrows in the late 1990s. It was very popular to have pencil thin brows back then.
Here is a side by side of me at 33 vs 57. The face shape is nearly identical. It can be achieved. The eyelids are almost 8 years old and cost £1667 with Dr Seo as I picked the best for rejuvenating mature eyes. He does 1000s a year. I chose a rhinoplasty plastic surgeon to do my rib rhino. I did not choose an ENT surgeon to operate on my nose as I trained in ENT and they do NOT have enough practice in rib rhinoplasty as they mostly do septoplasty to correct a crooked internal septum. Gosh I have to laugh at my sparse overplucked eyebrows in the late 1990s. It was very popular to have pencil thin brows back then.
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Hi @6098Sophia, welcome to TPF! Glad you have decided against VLif and decide against Braun too while you are at it. I would suggest you ask for a consult with the head surgeon at ASPS as they do smas facelifts there for 11-12 mill won which is about £8k or $10k. It is in Apgujeong between Machimpyo and MVP. I popped in once when I was in my early 50s and they said I did not need it then. I liked their honesty. Of course that was before I had a whopping 5 full facial fat grafts that swelled my face 5 times so needed 8 cms of skin trimmed by a facelift and a smas lift. Here is a link to ASPS smas facelift b&a’s. http://en.asps.co.kr/sub/wrinkle/sub01.asp A famous tpfer had her smas FL at ASPS and it is going 8 years+ and strong!
I consulted with Dirk Kremer in May 2021 and paid in full. At the time he was £12k for a vertical smas face and neck lift although at the time I did not have any neck concerns. He cancelled when I asked that he use sutures and not staples to close the skin and when I asked for pds sutures and not permanent ones. I was promptly refunded by his PA. It made me realise he was not the surgeon for me as he was more doctor centred rather than a shared patient management type of surgeon. His prices are now much higher as it is 2024.
Nick Rhodes however was the complete opposite and even asked me what sutures I wanted him to use as he respected me as a doctor with surgical experience. And in the end I am glad I went with Nick. He even pointed to the theatre board where the list of suture material was handwritten on the board to make sure he had listened to me. He heard me when I said I had a prolene allergy and reacted to permanent sutures but not to absorbable long acting pds sutures. If you choose Coppergate Clinic which he runs as the head surgeon, your choices are go with Nick but now he charges £15k for a deep plane facelift but I guess you can ask him to do a smas one instead or go with his junior surgeons Chris or James and pay £5,500 for a VR lift. They have a one year free retightening policy but make sure you source postop prednisolone yourself as the clinic still does not prescribe no matter my protestations that top US facelift surgeons Jacono, Karam and Nayak all use either intraop, postop or both. Marando is the only UK facelift surgeon based in Manchester who prescribes prednisolone postop at 30-40 mg a day and he does lateral smasectomies. I can recommend him too based on a lady’s excellent smas lift results at 8 months with steroids postop for a week.
Here is a collage of me on day 0 when I got back to the hotel after the facelift and day 4 when I should be swollen but nothing as I had postop prednisolone for 4 days. Compare this to all the swollen facelifts you see on this site. It makes sense why the face then sags at 4-6 months when fully deswelled. And look at the beautiful stitchwork! Nick rivals Korean plastic surgeons when it comes to skin closure. And not one metal staple in sight!
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Wow I just watched You are what you eat a twin experiment on Netflix and Forks over Knives youtube documentary and they both suggest we should eat a no dairy, no eggs and no meat diet, ie eat a whole food plant diet to lengthen our telomeres (live longer), prevent cancer (cancer risk goes up with casein in dairy), prevent strokes, repair narrowed blood vessels and prevent Alzheimers! https://www.forksoverknives.com/the-film/
I always knew dairy was inflammatory to the body but was not aware that eggs and meat were inflammatory too! No wonder when I was in Korea and ate at a restaurant in Lotte mall, they served healthier rice than white rice. But how do I give up bulgogi and kalbi when I arrive in Korea soon? Korea will be full of temptation to go carnivore!
I have already halved my lipoprotein A by cutting out dairy. Now I will cut out eggs and meat to reduce my cholesterol hopefully.
This is great news! I can not only look young forever but also live longer!
I always knew dairy was inflammatory to the body but was not aware that eggs and meat were inflammatory too! No wonder when I was in Korea and ate at a restaurant in Lotte mall, they served healthier rice than white rice. But how do I give up bulgogi and kalbi when I arrive in Korea soon? Korea will be full of temptation to go carnivore!
I have already halved my lipoprotein A by cutting out dairy. Now I will cut out eggs and meat to reduce my cholesterol hopefully.
This is great news! I can not only look young forever but also live longer!
hey @MissOrange
I've read your entire full story. Would you mind msg you on private to ask couple of questions? You seem really knowledgable.
I'm planning to make a facelift with Pascali, I'm 30 and I had cheekbones implants to support my skin and so on. I am an interesting case to say the least.
Let me know, please
I've read your entire full story. Would you mind msg you on private to ask couple of questions? You seem really knowledgable.
I'm planning to make a facelift with Pascali, I'm 30 and I had cheekbones implants to support my skin and so on. I am an interesting case to say the least.
Let me know, please
A word of caution. Before you book surgery, please check to see if the clinic is on the blacklisted clinic list. https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...n-plastic-surgery.989495/page-9#post-35902890 Please reconsider before spending $24k on multiple facial procedures at a blacklisted clinic. The pain will be astronomical (and they only give tylenol) and your face and eyes will be swollen so you will be blind. Not sure if prednisolone will be able to handle the swelling over your entire face from everything operated on at once. Please do not spend more than $10k in Korea on a facelift. If they add 10% vat make sure you get a medical receipt and medical tax refund form so you may claim back 10% medical tax refund at Incheon. I am not sure about this VAT. I was never charged VAT in Korea but then I paid by cash to get a cheaper price.
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You go to the mailbox icon and then enter my name and then start chatting privately.
im sorry, too stupid for this. not sure what mailbox you mean...
Can you please start the conversation with me on private?I would post my questions here directly but i do want to share my pics with you... to have your opinion
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Hey MissOrange,
Inspirational read. I've read through your posts, interesting take on Deep Plane vs SMAS - your choice of surgeon and him now not doing SMAS, your thoughts on swelling and your thoughts. sagging. I'm about to verge onto the next phase of my cosmetic journey. I can link my story here if you're okay with it (it'll goto a reddit post) and wouldnt mind some input from yourself.
Inspirational read. I've read through your posts, interesting take on Deep Plane vs SMAS - your choice of surgeon and him now not doing SMAS, your thoughts on swelling and your thoughts. sagging. I'm about to verge onto the next phase of my cosmetic journey. I can link my story here if you're okay with it (it'll goto a reddit post) and wouldnt mind some input from yourself.
I am busy today with my words of caution! Never get facial fat transfer with a facelift at the same time. It may fail to take in such a traumatic or hostile environment. The same advice is given to ladies who ask for breast FT at the same time as their breast lift. It won't take or last. You think you are saving on trips to Korea but you are not.
You will need to fly back for facial fat transfer when it all reabsorbs, deflates the face and causes sagging. You will need to fly back to Korea when the facelift sags at 4-6 months if you did not or stopped taking postop steroids after 2 days instead of 1 week to find another surgeon to do revision as Korean surgeons rarely agree to do a free revision as it would mean injuring their pride. The cost of revision with another surgeon may be double what you paid initially. Just like revision rhinoplasty may be double a primary rhino. This is why I say do NOT pay more than $10k for a facelift as revision may cost $20-30k! You need to budget for FL revision if you get it done in Korea without a week of postop steroids. And if you got a deep plane FL, then good luck finding another surgeon willing to do a revision deep plane facelift. The price may be astronomical as scar tissue so close to the branches of the facial nerve in the deep plane make this a very dangerous operation to take on.
Because the unexpected costs may involve revision facelift it is essential you choose wisely. Find 3 patients of your surgeon of choice whose results have lasted at least 1 year and do NOT get a facelift without taking postop steroids for one week.
Remember the right order to rejuvenate your face is do your eyes first and include lid fat transfer, then lip lift, then fat transfer and finally a smas facelift with postop steroids.
If money is an issue fly to Belgium where smas facelifts are €3k. Even my arm lipo plastic surgeon Dr Bert Oelbrandt offers smas facelifts under IV sedation with an anaesthesiologist doctor.
You will need to fly back for facial fat transfer when it all reabsorbs, deflates the face and causes sagging. You will need to fly back to Korea when the facelift sags at 4-6 months if you did not or stopped taking postop steroids after 2 days instead of 1 week to find another surgeon to do revision as Korean surgeons rarely agree to do a free revision as it would mean injuring their pride. The cost of revision with another surgeon may be double what you paid initially. Just like revision rhinoplasty may be double a primary rhino. This is why I say do NOT pay more than $10k for a facelift as revision may cost $20-30k! You need to budget for FL revision if you get it done in Korea without a week of postop steroids. And if you got a deep plane FL, then good luck finding another surgeon willing to do a revision deep plane facelift. The price may be astronomical as scar tissue so close to the branches of the facial nerve in the deep plane make this a very dangerous operation to take on.
Because the unexpected costs may involve revision facelift it is essential you choose wisely. Find 3 patients of your surgeon of choice whose results have lasted at least 1 year and do NOT get a facelift without taking postop steroids for one week.
Remember the right order to rejuvenate your face is do your eyes first and include lid fat transfer, then lip lift, then fat transfer and finally a smas facelift with postop steroids.
If money is an issue fly to Belgium where smas facelifts are €3k. Even my arm lipo plastic surgeon Dr Bert Oelbrandt offers smas facelifts under IV sedation with an anaesthesiologist doctor.
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