How to go from 50+ to looking 20+ with plastic surgery rejuvenation.

[MissOrange]

Wow my favourite Korean actress 42 yo Han Ye Seul has gone blonde! I have cut my bangs just now to match hers. Not sure I want to cut my hair as short as she has though. Looks like in one selfie she used a filter and the other she did not. She used blue contacts like I have in the past! Funny how at 57 I want to look like 42 yo HYS. Looks like we both want to look in our 20s! lol.

 

[MissOrange]

Looks like I need to create lower eyelid aegyo sal with shading, line my upper lips bigger, use smaller false eyelashes, line my entire eyes with liquid or thin eyeliner, and put in blue and not green eye contact lenses to match HYS’s selfie better. LOL.

 

[MissOrange]

When I look back at where I have come from and how pretty and young I look now, I have to marvel at the extreme measures I took and the multiple trips to Korea in the pursuit of restoring my youth and enhancing my beauty. Remember to save some old before pictures so you can recall how far you have come in years to come. When you look this old and ugly after menopause when your body is depleted of estrogen and it reflects in your face with extreme fat volume depletion, you are ready to do whatever it takes to restore your face. It doesn’t happen overnight so be patient. For me it took 6 years to turn back the clock 37 years.

 

[MissOrange]

Family Ties child actress Justine Bateman is the same age as I am 57. She has opted to age naturally and defends her decision that she is not afraid to age. I think if she did simple measures like pluck her brows and not line under her eyes, it would help. And then fillers to add volume. These are non surgical measures. My reasons for surgery is that I am not happy looking ugly and menopause robbed me of my looks.

 

[USK]

@pinkypuppet37 I paid DAPRS 2.5 million won for 2 full facial fat grafting and included a 10% tax refund. Be prepared to negotiate with the consultant in person. The price initially started higher! I mentioned the price given to a friend and asked to match this as she had been offered 1.8 million for one or 2.5 million fo two. They agreed. I have since negotiated a third as although the fat grafting has stayed in the forehead and temples (only had it done once there), I think I need a top up again to the malar cheeks and around the mouth to stay permanently six months after my second. DA started at 1.5 million won and I started at 700,000 won for the third. We agreed at 1 million won. I would say know your budget and if the quote is still too high over kakao, meet with Dr Kim in person and then afterwards try your best to get them to work with you so it can be affordable for you. If you are active on social media, this can help with negotiations. I feel foreigners should be paying as close to local prices as possible and finding clinics that do this and have board certified plastic surgeons then becomes a win:wi

Hi @SDUSATravel,

It is not a good idea to get everything done in one place as you want the best surgeon for each procedure. Dr Seo is the best for eyes in my opinion. For a facelift, look at ASPS clinic which specialises in facelifts. I had a smas facelift in the UK which removed my nasolabial folds. The ladies who had the more expensive deep plane still have nasolabial folds as their retaining ligaments are cut for access to the deep plane and some ended up with more profound nasolabial folds. Smas lift does NOT cut the facial retaining ligaments as these ligaments are necessary to hold up the face.

I reached out to ASPS via their website and I was contacted by their consultant. It looks that this consultant also works for other clinics. Is that normal for on consultant to be able to book you for multiple clinics?

 

[Lien]

Actually, it sounds to me like they're both doing SMAS. Neither is a deep plane facelift, right? @MissOrange.

 

[MissOrange]

I reached out to ASPS via their website and I was contacted by their consultant. It looks that this consultant also works for other clinics. Is that normal for on consultant to be able to book you for multiple clinics?

Hi @SDUSATravel, you want the chief Dr Lee Min Koo at ASPS to do your smas FL. Are you sure you contacted ASPS directly? Sometimes links look like they are for the clinic but are actually to a broker agency.

 

[MissOrange]

Actually, it sounds to me like they're both doing SMAS. Neither is a deep plane facelift, right? @MissOrange.

Hi @Lien, okay your photos show mild lower face and neck laxity which a smas facelift alone would fix. The slight neck laxity will lift with the smas facelift. You do NOT need a neck lift or a deep plane lift. OMG! I can’t believe the price gouging at JK, 29,700,000 won!!! The first clinic does not mention price? Do NOT do accusculpt. It is laser! Plus where do they get the cheek to charge 8,250,000 won! I was quoted 2 million won for accusculpt at Namu. I chose not to do as fat keeps the face young and helps with 3D facial volume. Get some more opinions and quotes from Dr Shim at VLif (who did a FL on his own mum!) and Chief surgeon Dr Min at ASPS clinic who did a FL on a famous blogger. They specialise in facelifts. You should be getting quotes closer to 12 million won for a smas facelift, ie negotiate 20% discount for writing a review on tpf, realself, google etc. and more if you let them use your photos. Also factor in the 10% medical tourist tax refund. If you pay cash and book in low season, it may be even cheaper (9-12 million won depending on your negotiation skills).

Another option is to try my FL surgeon Nick Rhodes but he now charges £15k or $18k or to try a VR FL with his team Dr James Smith or Dr Chris West for £5k. Each comes with a 1Y free tightening policy.

A third option is to do virtual consults with the 3 best FL surgeons in Turkey (Dr Mehmet Comert, Prof Dr Omer Ozerdem or Prof Dr Karaka Basaran) so the flights, hotel and FL will be less than £7k or $9.5k. The world is your oyster.

Do not fall for foreigner pricing tourist traps in big hospitals in Korea. The pricing for locals is so much cheaper. It is as if they want to make Koreans the most beautiful on the planet. lol.

 

[Lien]

Hi @Lien, okay your photos show mild lower face and neck laxity which a smas facelift alone would fix. The slight neck laxity will lift with the smas facelift. You do NOT need a neck lift or a deep plane lift. OMG! I can’t believe the price gouging at JK, 29,700,000 won!!! The first clinic does not mention price? Do NOT do accusculpt. It is laser! Plus where do they get the cheek to charge 8,250,000 won! I was quoted 2 million won for accusculpt at Namu. I chose not to do as fat keeps the face young and helps with 3D facial volume. Get some more opinions and quotes from Dr Shim at VLif (who did a FL on his own mum!) and Chief surgeon Dr Min at ASPS clinic who did a FL on a famous blogger. They specialise in facelifts. You should be getting quotes closer to 12 million won for a smas facelift, ie negotiate 20% discount for writing a review on tpf, realself, google etc. and more if you let them use your photos. Also factor in the 10% medical tourist tax refund. If you pay cash and book in low season, it may be even cheaper (9-12 million won depending on your negotiation skills).

Another option is to try my FL surgeon Nick Rhodes but he now charges £15k or $18k or to try a VR FL with his team Dr James Smith or Dr Chris West for £5k. Each comes with a 1Y free tightening policy.

A third option is to do virtual consults with the 3 best FL surgeons in Turkey (Dr Mehmet Comert, Prof Dr Omer Ozerdem or Prof Dr Karaka Basaran) so the flights, hotel and FL will be less than £7k or $9.5k. The world is your oyster.

Do not fall for foreigner pricing tourist traps in big hospitals in Korea. The pricing for locals is so much cheaper. It is as if they want to make Koreans the most beautiful on the planet. lol.

@MissOrange,

Thank you so much for your prompt reply and wonderful advice.

Just so I understand what you're saying. The following from the first Dr (who's VLift) is suggsting that I do platysmaplasty which it seems to me is an separate procedure, in addition to the SMAS facelift of the lower face & jawline. Are you saying that the SMAS alone without the platysmaplasty is sufficient to tighten the jowls and saggy skin under my chin?

Oh, I knew instinctively that we need fat in our face. It didn't seem right that they wanted to suck fat out of my face!!

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We also notice that there's the vertical lines on your neck area which is like double chin, and this is caused by plastysma muscle sagging. Platysma muscles look like 2 boards under your chin, and with aging, these muscles are loosened which cause the sagging. For this, we suggest platysmaplasty which is making a small incision on your upper chin to tighten these muscles together.

 

[Lien]

@MissOrange, These are the quotes from Vlift. Sorry I was doing a copy and paste and this was sent to me separately. They also want to do a forehead lift and upper blepharoplasty . I am thinking maybe just the forehead lift, as that would be sufficient to lift my upper eyelids (I'm experiencing mild ptosis which make my lids droop and somewhat obscuring my vision - this is hereditary as my dad also had it).

Pricing wise, this should work out around 12mil won after all the discount and tax refund. I'm inclined to go to Korea as 1) it's a lot closer to home, 2) I think Korean Drs understand Asian anatomy better than Western ones, and 3) they perform so many of these on a regular basis, so I feel a lot more reassured.

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The quotes :
Face-neck lift 16,500,000KRW
Platysmaplasty 2,750,000KRW
Endoscopic forehead lift 5,500,000KRW
Upper blepharoplasty 3,300,000KRW

And we do have discount promotions wherein if you agree that you write us an online review, and also agree that we disclose your partial face photo (B&A) online, we will offer at most 20% discount.
For full face disclosure, it will be a 30% discount.
(If you agree with the above discount conditions, first review must be written before the surgery and next one after the surgery)

And you can also get your tax refunded upon your departure, and the tax refund is around 10% as well! So it's like 20+10 or 30+10.

 

[USK]

Hi @SDUSATravel, you want the chief Dr Lee Min Koo at ASPS to do your smas FL. Are you sure you contacted ASPS directly? Sometimes links look like they are for the clinic but are actually to a broker agency.

@MissOrange yes, I was reaching out to ASPS for Dr Lee and I went to their website - http://en.asps.co.kr. And the person who contacted me via WhatsApp. At first identified herself as “from Apgujeong Seoul Plastic Surgery”. Then she asked if I also submitted an enquiry for another clinic - I did. The prices from Dr Lee seemed about right 11M for full face + neck lifting. Do clinics hire outside consultants to handle incoming English enquiries, Or was their website hijacked by an agency?

 

[USK]

@Lien. lol, I got the same quote from vlif. Let me know if you want to chat directly. Im in California.

 

[MissOrange]

@MissOrange,

Thank you so much for your prompt reply and wonderful advice.

Just so I understand what you're saying. The following from the first Dr (who's VLift) is suggsting that I do platysmaplasty which it seems to me is an separate procedure, in addition to the SMAS facelift of the lower face & jawline. Are you saying that the SMAS alone without the platysmaplasty is sufficient to tighten the jowls and saggy skin under my chin?

Oh, I knew instinctively that we need fat in our face. It didn't seem right that they wanted to suck fat out of my face!!

******************************************************************************************************
We also notice that there's the vertical lines on your neck area which is like double chin, and this is caused by plastysma muscle sagging. Platysma muscles look like 2 boards under your chin, and with aging, these muscles are loosened which cause the sagging. For this, we suggest platysmaplasty which is making a small incision on your upper chin to tighten these muscles together.

Yes I think smas facelift will lift the mild sagging in your neck and that you do NOT need platysmaplasty.

 

[MissOrange]

@MissOrange, These are the quotes from Vlift. Sorry I was doing a copy and paste and this was sent to me separately. They also want to do a forehead lift and upper blepharoplasty . I am thinking maybe just the forehead lift, as that would be sufficient to lift my upper eyelids (I'm experiencing mild ptosis which make my lids droop and somewhat obscuring my vision - this is hereditary as my dad also had it).

Pricing wise, this should work out around 12mil won after all the discount and tax refund. I'm inclined to go to Korea as 1) it's a lot closer to home, 2) I think Korean Drs understand Asian anatomy better than Western ones, and 3) they perform so many of these on a regular basis, so I feel a lot more reassured.

********************************************************************************************
The quotes :
Face-neck lift 16,500,000KRW
Platysmaplasty 2,750,000KRW
Endoscopic forehead lift 5,500,000KRW
Upper blepharoplasty 3,300,000KRW

And we do have discount promotions wherein if you agree that you write us an online review, and also agree that we disclose your partial face photo (B&A) online, we will offer at most 20% discount.
For full face disclosure, it will be a 30% discount.
(If you agree with the above discount conditions, first review must be written before the surgery and next one after the surgery)

And you can also get your tax refunded upon your departure, and the tax refund is around 10% as well! So it's like 20+10 or 30+10.

Hi @Lien,

I studied VLif Dr Shin’s mother’s result and even she wishes at 9 months he had made her facelift tighter as she is showing laxity with a nasolabial line reemerging and a minor jowl. To me this is not worth a 12 or 16.5 million won facelift to have this laxity reemerge at 9 months. No way would it last 2 years in my opinion. For an older woman, this degree of postop laxity may be acceptable but you are young so this is not acceptable.

Also after seeing a real life patient who had a forehead lift in the UK now show laxity and lots of forehead wrinkles like a Sharpei dog, no way would I ever advise a forehead lift. Much better to add volume with fat graft to the forehead and temples.

 

[MissOrange]

Hi @Lien,

I found a photo from before my facelift and it shows a similar sag under the chin like you have. This was fixed with a smas facelift alone and no neck or platysmaplasty. The right photo is almost 2 years after the smas facelift with no neck or platysmaplasty. See how there is no return of the nasolabial fold, jowl or under chin/jaw neck sag even at almost 2 years. This is what you want from a smas facelift. You can see my moles are still in a higher position. It is vital to find patients who are at least 9-12 months post facelift to ensure longevity with the surgeon of your choice and ideally video updates are better.