Hi @Piikaa, welcome to the PF. I have yet to find a lady in her 50s/60s who has had v line in Korea in her 20s to see how little jawbone is left. I guess we have to wait another decade for young ladies who had v line 20 years ago to age. It is a fact that jawbones shrink and most markedly by one’s 70s but it starts in one’s 50s. Also my research shows that the majority of people who get zygoma reduction or v lines, end up needing lower skin lifting. So you have to budget for double the price, ie for the bone contouring operation and then the annual threadlifts or facelifts every 5-10 years.
How to go from 50+ to looking 20+ with plastic surgery rejuvenation.
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Hi @Tremere, I have only found Dr Jacono on IG, a NYC facelift surgeon that one of the doctors on Botched went to for his facelift but few can afford the $120k price tag for a procedure that lasts 10 years. In the U.K. there is Dr Kremer who does a vertical facelift and is much more affordable. Dr Bray in the U.K. is the most expensive at £25k. Both share patient photos on IG. In Europe there is Dr Oelbrandt in Belgium who charges €4K. His work can be found on realself.
What I have learned is that the surgical scar for a full facelift by any surgeon is long!!! It extends from the temples, across the front of the ear and then goes behind the ear and up the scalp again! Some surgeons use staples and some suture. I think the best for suturing and not leaving a scar would be Korean surgeons. Dr Dongman Park of Bio Clinic is in Seoul as is Dr Lee at the asps clinic and the head of Namu clinic. All 3 Korean surgeons look like they have good facelift results. When it is my time, I think I will choose a Korean surgeon as I seem to get hypertrophic scars with U.K. surgeons and invisible skin scars with Korean surgeons. I am holding off as long as I can as once you have a facelift, your skin will have been peeled off your face and tissues detached and from then on you may require facelifts every decade. I am drinking water and eating more to add lower facial volume to lift the face as chin shaving has left my lower face slightly saggy as one would expect from removing some bony support.
A friend shared a great tip with me. To find photos of celebrities before their images are photoshopped, go to Getty images. Don’t rely on instagram.
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@MissOrange thank you so much. You really are full of knowledge. I will check out those surgeons.
I really need a V Line despite everything you've said, which I believe, BTW. Hopefully doing a DJS at the same time will help to offset some of the skin laxity issues.
I've seen that Dr. Mascaro also does face lifts, do you know if he is good at those?
Also, sorry if it's too personal of a question, but do you speak Korean? I'm afraid of going to Korea speaking only English and a bunch of other European languages, but zero Korean.
I really need a V Line despite everything you've said, which I believe, BTW. Hopefully doing a DJS at the same time will help to offset some of the skin laxity issues.
I've seen that Dr. Mascaro also does face lifts, do you know if he is good at those?
Also, sorry if it's too personal of a question, but do you speak Korean? I'm afraid of going to Korea speaking only English and a bunch of other European languages, but zero Korean.
@Tremere double jaw surgery is a major operation. Are you sure you need it? Ask 10 friends or family and get second opinions from surgeons. The risks are high and there is no going back.
I speak little Korean so rely on translators and photo printouts to communicate.
Hey @MissOrange I managed to read half way through this thread. I love your results and appreciate your knowledge on this subject. I am interested in plastic surgery to look better. I'm still young (in my 20s) but do care about anti-aging prevention as well.
I want to get ptosis correction, V-line surgery (Angular jaw correction + Genioplasty), facial fat grafting (stem cell), thread lift, and aegyosal dermal filler.
I can't decide between the following clinics: JK, Cinderella, Note. Cinderella looks very good but so does JK. There's not too much information on Note.
I know Vline can cause potential sagging in the future, I hope the threadlift and fat grafting can mitigate some of that. If you have any other ideas, please let me know.
Nana was an option but their V-line is way too sharp. I was also looking into ID and Banobagi but there are too many controversies surrounding them. Your thoughts will be very helpful.
Hi @glowup2021 you are very young to want a complete facial overhaul. You have named 4 clinics that charge a lot and cater to foreigners. As I could not afford their quotes I went elsewhere. Try to find past patients from the clinics you are interested in.Hey @MissOrange I managed to read half way through this thread. I love your results and appreciate your knowledge on this subject. I am interested in plastic surgery to look better. I'm still young (in my 20s) but do care about anti-aging prevention as well.
I want to get ptosis correction, V-line surgery (Angular jaw correction + Genioplasty), facial fat grafting (stem cell), thread lift, and aegyosal dermal filler.
I can't decide between the following clinics: JK, Cinderella, Note. Cinderella looks very good but so does JK. There's not too much information on Note.
I know Vline can cause potential sagging in the future, I hope the threadlift and fat grafting can mitigate some of that. If you have any other ideas, please let me know.
Nana was an option but their V-line is way too sharp. I was also looking into ID and Banobagi but there are too many controversies surrounding them. Your thoughts will be very helpful.
Hi @mlydzz I love, love, love my upper eyelid fat graft. Yes it has lasted for years now. Here is a photo from this month. See how full my upper lids are. Yes he has moved from MVP to run his own clinic Machimpyo. Can't believe I turn 55 soon!
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Hi @Dilya,
I missed your post so apologies for the late reply. As you are in Florida go to Dr Mascaro for bullhorn lip lift which is subnasal (do not cut into the nasal sill) and may extend slightly around the nostrils to avoid a bunny mouth. He pays extra attention to achieving upper lip and philtrum symmetry too. A Brit Chinese friend had an excellent result. Can't believe she flew from the UK to Florida! Korean surgeons refuse to do bullhorn in my experience. They prefer vermillion lift.
Water does a body good and is better than a facial! I found someone else who has also discovered the rejuvenating properties of water...Fayfay Hsu! She drinks 350-500 mls of lukewarm water every morning for a decade. https://www.boredpanda.com/youthful...oogle&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic
Like flowers that wilt without water, so do our faces, especially post menopause! Before any zoom meeting or date night, I drink 500-800 mls of water. My face then looks refreshed and skin glowing!
Like flowers that wilt without water, so do our faces, especially post menopause! Before any zoom meeting or date night, I drink 500-800 mls of water. My face then looks refreshed and skin glowing!
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My biggest challenge will be my 60s. Today I found a natural anti ager, Linda Kelsey, 69 yo British journalist and former editor of Cosmopolitan mag who claims to have never had plastic surgery, not even botox to her face? What is her secret? She is 2 years younger than her sister Susan who has had multiple plastic surgery procedures.
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I appreciate your response. I will only be getting double jaw surgery + Angular Jaw correction + Genioplasty (Vline) for now for functional and aesthetic reasons. Do you know of any specialists that are known for this?
JK is one I'm leaning towards because it seems like they have zero accidents and all their reviews are really positive. They give me a good feeling. I will try to find people who have had this surgery there. Cinderella on the other hand... tempting but all their models look photoshopped.
THANK YOU cordially for your response dear MissOrange - your expertise, knowledge and experience is irreplaceable in this forum!!! I very much would count on your advise on my next desiocion of this kind of surgery choices. I have reread your experiences many times while being at work and simply while trying to understand many things...
Though I read a lot that the result is so very subtle.. I would like to have a very drammatic change
))....Thank you Dear MissOrange, God Bless You!
Dear MissOrange, I have decided to ask you this thing without beating around the bush: I have read some reviews after liplift by one lady. Her biggest concern was motionless upper lip. For a married woman who has a mature hubby it's a big thing - their s*xual life has been interrupted for the time of healing - for more than two month her hubby did not have a chance to have bj...
She was sharing it was the biggest frustration of her hubby... Therefore, I asked for how long the upper lip is motionless: I read reviews of no smiling, as if the upper lip is dead for more than two months... and then it drops and result become so subtle...
I am always postponing my decision on upper liplift due to this concern: motionless upper lip for more than 2 months - no private life))
Sorry if my question was a bit too graphic here Ladies...
She was sharing it was the biggest frustration of her hubby... Therefore, I asked for how long the upper lip is motionless: I read reviews of no smiling, as if the upper lip is dead for more than two months... and then it drops and result become so subtle...
I am always postponing my decision on upper liplift due to this concern: motionless upper lip for more than 2 months - no private life
))Sorry if my question was a bit too graphic here Ladies...
Hi @Dilya wow I don't know what to say. A few hours after my lip lift my OH dragged me out to a posh dinner party and I had to chat with people seated to my left and right. I never had any problems with a motionless upper lip. I wouldn't recommend going out the same evening as I oozed blood into my napkin. My upper lip has remained big for over 4 years and my philtrum length is still 11 mms. I would say go to Dr Mascaro Stateside or Mills in the UK. You can also join the FB group mentioned below 'Facelift info and support' as it also has lots of ladies who had lip lifts sharing their b+a's and all have no regrets.
I am researching FLs and have joined 2 private FL facebook groups (Facelift info and support, UK facelifts and other facial cosmetic procedures) where real patients post their b+a's without filters!
I am researching FLs and have joined 2 private FL facebook groups (Facelift info and support, UK facelifts and other facial cosmetic procedures) where real patients post their b+a's without filters!
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