How to go from 50+ to looking 20+ with plastic surgery rejuvenation.

[MissOrange]

ms orange what is the difference between quick zygoma and traditional zygoma?

Hi @kaixin05 my limited understanding is that quick zygoma pushes the side zygoma inward and is less satisfactory with regards to making a noticeable difference than full zygoma which involves cutting and fixation with plate and screws.

 

[MysticMelody]

Hi Miss Orange, How are you? hope you and your family safe. I have a couple of questions , apologies if you answered it before, but your thread is very long Anyways, if you take some time and drop a line. it would be awesome.
1. How long is a recovery from Full face FG? What I mean is when you can go out without any seconds thoughts that somebody will notice any procedure done to your face (besides, looking great)
2. If I decide to do Thread lift altogether with FG will my recovery be longer? if yes, approximate 1 week or longer?
PS: I know everybody heals differently, but it would be great to know how long (on average) should I plan to stay in Korea (when this madness with COVID-19 ends) . Do you think 3 weeks will be ok?

 

[MissOrange]

Hi Miss Orange, How are you? hope you and your family safe. I have a couple of questions , apologies if you answered it before, but your thread is very long Anyways, if you take some time and drop a line. it would be awesome.
1. How long is a recovery from Full face FG? What I mean is when you can go out without any seconds thoughts that somebody will notice any procedure done to your face (besides, looking great)
2. If I decide to do Thread lift altogether with FG will my recovery be longer? if yes, approximate 1 week or longer?
PS: I know everybody heals differently, but it would be great to know how long (on average) should I plan to stay in Korea (when this madness with COVID-19 ends) . Do you think 3 weeks will be ok?

3 weeks is enough. It takes 2-3 weeks for all the face FG to deswell and the bruising to go. I literally only had my threads in for 24 hours so cannot comment on TL recovery.

 

[MissOrange]

Sorry for the absence, I have been dealing with the covid crisis in the U.K. Asian countries are exemplary for the way they are handling covid. But the U.K. and US are not making it easy for clinicians to prescribe hydroxychloroquine which is what Korean hospitals give as early treatment! Instead they are pouring millions into the development of a vaccine. Yet there is no vaccine for SARS-Cov1 and MERS. For those who saw My Secret Terrius K drama and know the plot, it is eerily similar to what we are seeing in the U.K. and US. Turkey secured 1 million HCQ pills for its citizens and had 2,992 deaths. India gives HCQ as prophylaxis to its doctors and nurses and those caring for covid family members and only had 1000 total covid deaths for a population of 1.3 billion thus far, but the U.K. has over 100 healthcare worker deaths as they do not give prophylaxis and 21,000 deaths and USA 59,000 deaths. I am recovering myself from presumed covid, fever, nasal congestion, drop in oxygen sats to 91% and breathlessness. I would recommend if you are travelling for plastic surgery to take a finger pulse oximeter with you and thermometer. I love the Braun ear thermoscan. Remember if your temp is 37.5C, you may be detained and unable to board a plane home in Asia! And make sure you have a travel rescue pack of doxycycline 100 mg, HCQ 200 mg and zinc 200 mg x 5 days, the Italian protocol or azithromycin 500 mg, HCQ 200 mg and zinc 220 mg x 5 days Dr Zelenko’s NYC protocol for if you get covid. Either must be started in the first week of covid illness, the first phase to reduce viral RNA replication and cytokine storm. Take vitamin D daily. The last thing you want is to book plastic surgery and end up with covid! Stay safe y’all! As Brits are still in lockdown..6th week, I have not been able to get my hair done, highlights, acrylics, pedicure, or go shopping so no picture update until we are out of lockdown! It was hard enough trying to source hair dye as all blonde shades are sold out!

 

[yunggrandpa]

Sorry for the absence, I have been dealing with the covid crisis in the U.K. Asian countries are exemplary for the way they are handling covid. But the U.K. and US are not making it easy for clinicians to prescribe hydroxychloroquine which is what Korean hospitals give as early treatment! Instead they are pouring millions into the development of a vaccine. Yet there is no vaccine for SARS-Cov1 and MERS. For those who saw My Secret Terrius K drama and know the plot, it is eerily similar to what we are seeing in the U.K. and US. Turkey secured 1 million HCQ pills for its citizens and had 2,992 deaths. India gives HCQ as prophylaxis to its doctors and nurses and those caring for covid family members and only had 1000 total covid deaths for a population of 1.3 billion thus far, but the U.K. has over 100 healthcare worker deaths as they do not give prophylaxis and 21,000 deaths and USA 59,000 deaths. I am recovering myself from presumed covid, fever, nasal congestion, drop in oxygen sats to 91% and breathlessness. I would recommend if you are travelling for plastic surgery to take a finger pulse oximeter with you and thermometer. I love the Braun ear thermoscan. Remember if your temp is 37.5C, you may be detained and unable to board a plane home in Asia! And make sure you have a travel rescue pack of doxycycline 100 mg, HCQ 200 mg and zinc 200 mg x 5 days, the Italian protocol or azithromycin 500 mg, HCQ 200 mg and zinc 220 mg x 5 days Dr Zelenko’s NYC protocol for if you get covid. Either must be started in the first week of covid illness, the first phase to reduce viral RNA replication and cytokine storm. Take vitamin D daily. The last thing you want is to book plastic surgery and end up with covid! Stay safe y’all! As Brits are still in lockdown..6th week, I have not been able to get my hair done, highlights, acrylics, pedicure, or go shopping so no picture update until we are out of lockdown! It was hard enough trying to source hair dye as all blonde shades are sold out!

Get well soon Miss Orange!! Wishing you good health. Thank you for sharing - these are some wild times for sure.

 

[silverneedle]

Hi @silverneedle,

Sorry for the late reply. Yes, if the procedure is not available in the U.K. or US then go to Korea. For instance facial fat graft is better in Korea as not many plastic surgeons have enough experience in the U.K. There is one plastic surgeon in Illinois who is good at facial fat graft and is mentioned on RS by violaxoxo. Any bone facial contouring should be done in Korea but be wary as the face needs volume and if you remove bone, the skin is very likely to sag, even more so as our jaw bone naturally shrinks as we age.

As for rhino, Korea pushes silicone for primary rhinoplasty which U.K. and US rhino surgeons do not use. The cost of rib rhino in Korea is as much as U.K. surgeons charge. In Korea the aesthetic now tends to be big straight noses in ladies in my opinion. I think it is 50:50 whether you go to Korea for rhino or have in the US or U.K.

I see, this makes a lot of sense. However all surgeons I have consulted with said that I would not need bridge augmentation because my bridge is already high, and they all suggested bulbous nose reduction and short nose lengthening for me. I'd imagine that most western doctors are inexperienced performing these types of operation, since most westerners do not have this kind of nose. The doctors told me that my nose type is rarely found even among Asians.

I have just finished reading this whole thread. It's amazing the amount of insight you have shared here. And still taking the time to update the thread in this crisis. Many thanks and get well soon!

 

[MissOrange]

54 years old and my face is holding up. My weight today is 101 lbs (bmi 19). I have gained 5 lbs during this UK lockdown! I think the lesson is to keep replacing facial volume after menopause which means gain weight instead of diet. No need to check camera angles. There is no skin drooping when you gain weight!

 

[Fortunecat]

54 years old and my face is holding up. My weight today is 101 lbs (bmi 19). I have gained 5 lbs during this UK lockdown! I think the lesson is to keep replacing facial volume after menopause which means gain weight instead of diet. No need to check camera angles. There is no skin drooping when you gain weight!

@MissOrange Oh my! You are looking good!

 

[MissOrange]

For those who want to skip the 100+ pages, here is the quick answers to reverse ageing...1. Remove your stressors. Chronic stress has been linked to premature ageing and inflammatory disease. 2. Drink water not wine. 3. Avoid the direct sun like a vampire. 4. Go to my surgeon Dr Seo at MVP clinic in Seoul for facial fat graft and gain 3-5 lbs for graft survival. 5. Take vitamins to live forever. Niacin (vitamin B3) is helping reduce my lipoprotein A levels and reduce my carotid intima media thickness (familial stroke risk) and Vitamin D3 is protecting me against serious covid infection.

And if you are stopped by passport control, ask for a retina scan or fingerprint check as no one will believe you are 54! lol.

The number of times I have been talked down to as if I were a kid is countless. It makes me want to stomp my feet and whack them like the ajumma I am inside but instead I smile like the 20 year old they see and nod my head like an obedient young girl. lol.

Life now reminds me of the Hollywood movies of trading places where a mother and daughter have their bodies switched. The only difference is I can't go back and am stuck looking like a kid. A blessing or a curse? Who knows.

 

[missapple87]

Hope you are well and safe missorange! On the topic of sagging after jaw reduction and zygoma, i think you are absolutely right and i wish someone had cautioned me before of the consequences. Would you have any recommendation for a safe facelift procedure? In Korea?
I was looking at ultherapy but it seems like the results is dependent on individuals, and can be minimal- which isnt great for such a hefty price tag

Today's second post is a caution. Dr Lim who used to work at MVP has moved to Nana and may have allegedly received his final warning after a lady complained about her rhinoplasty with him. When my friend had her lip lift with Choi at MVP, one side was stitched beautifully but the other not which made her suspect that Dr Lim may have done one side as the contrast was that stark. Please do thorough research and talk to real former patients before choosing any surgeon.

On an even sadder note a 33 yo lady who had extreme FC, zygoma and v line elsewhere has +++ sagging which has made her homebound for months. She regrets getting FC as her cheeks did not even protrude on the sides. She felt pressured into getting FC by the consultant translator. She is flying back to korea for titanium implants to rebuild her face!

Please remember bone cutting will result in loose skin as you are losing the scaffold and your facial bones will shrink naturally as you age so you need bone for postmenopausal expedited bone loss or you may face extreme sagging in older age. Too often I am seeing postop results after v line where the angle is not sharp as the skin and tissues have then dropped and the person now has a double chin or sagging around the jaw. Dealing with sagging skin in your 20s or 30s is too soon! It may require a lifetime of fat grafting, threads or facelifts.

 

[MissOrange]

Hope you are well and safe missorange! On the topic of sagging after jaw reduction and zygoma, i think you are absolutely right and i wish someone had cautioned me before of the consequences. Would you have any recommendation for a safe facelift procedure? In Korea?
I was looking at ultherapy but it seems like the results is dependent on individuals, and can be minimal- which isnt great for such a hefty price tag

Hi @missapple87 search for the 52 yo facelift in Korea thread. She is an Asian American who got a good smas facelift at ASPS. I liked the B&A photos I saw at Namu for smas facelift too. The problem is finding someone who is more than 1 year out from facelift to make sure it holds. Most facelifts look fabulous initially but then after the swelling goes in a few months, the skin may start to sag and even more at 6 months if dissolvable sutures were used to hold up the smas layer. The last thing you want is to pay $12k for a smas facelift that only lasts 6-12 months!

 

[MissOrange]

At 101.4 lbs my face has even more fat which is preventing sagging. My weight keeps going up during this lockdown! I think ladies over 40 should not try to aim to be too thin. You need the extra fat in your face for volume to lift sagging skin as your facial bones shrink with age.

 

[MissOrange]

For ladies worried about ageing eyes, I noticed that as we age we lose fat in the eyelids so the lid socket becomes hollow and this increases the distance between the brows and the eyes. The bigger the space, the older and more skeletal the look. This photo is the best side by side depiction of ageing in the eyes. The solution is fat graft to the lids and as you can see my eyelids now look more like the eyes on the right. I also pencil fill the brows under the brows to reduce the distance between the brows and eyes. A smaller lid crease also makes the eyes look younger so do not ask for a large eyelid crease if you are an older lady!

 

[MissOrange]

Ageing is extremely difficult to reverse in the lower face which is why one must think twice about getting dramatic v line surgery in your youth, as this will reduce your jawbone and may expedite premature ageing! The face needs as much bony support while young so that in your 40s and onwards you have a head start as bone naturally starts reabsorbing with ageing and the lower face starts to collapse. Also good to maintain dental hygiene so you do not lose teeth as you get older as this too expedites jawbone loss.

 

[MissOrange]

For cult followers of the 1992 movie Death becomes her, here is an update on the actresses, in their 40s while filming and in their 60s now. I need to study their facial features to understand how ageing has altered their face. Prevention is the best treatment. At age 69 Goldie’s lower jaw is showing bone loss. I am taking daily calcium and vitamin D to protect myself against osteoporosis. The question is do I try HRT? Has anyone tried HRT?