Hermes Paris January 2013 SALE

[**Chanel**]

You know what, as I frequent follower of many eBay sites (US and Europe), I feel the same way. I have found countless of good deals and all kinds of grails (say, Turandot, Cave Felem). I could have flipped scarves like a pro (and like many pseudo-collectors on eBay), but I didn't do that. Not trying to be a hypocrite or being a nice lady, I just believe in my H hunting luck. If I try to cash out my luck or brag out loud about it, it will be gone, and my grail list still needs to be exhausted. So, just trust that things you don't buy will go to a good home. It feels much better that way .

Exactly! It feels much so better to me knowing that someone is over the moon with a great deal, than buying these things for myself and making a profit on it.
I am glad I am not the only one who thinks that way .

lovely

Monceau, thank you, dear. I hope so, I would be very happy with a Vert Paperoles . My second preference was the Paperoles in peach, if she couldn't find it in Vert. But Vert was my number one pick. I got an email from her yesterday that she had the naturel Paperoles for me, so I was happy and thought she found me the peach. I asked her about the Vert as well, but I don't know if she can still get it or not. She hasn't answered that question yet.
But today, I got an email from her that she wasn't sure if this shawl was the peach colorway as this Paperoles had a cream background and orange details (but the peach cw has this too). I've sent her a picture of the peach Paperoles again, to double check so we will find out soon enough. If it's not the peach cw, I do hope she can still get me the Vert. I already have some outfits in my mind that I would wear with the Vert Paperoles .

 

[lulilu]

I guess we will soon see on ebay what was offered..

I already saw a paperoles. Highly priced too.

 

[Baja]

Luckily not everyone who goes to the sales shows this type of behavior, but I know what you mean. I've seen it myself when I went to the sales a few years ago. Looked like a battlefield .
Anyway, I just had a feeling that the Paperoles shawls would be available at the sales, so I asked a personal shopper to have a look for me. I would be over the moon with a Vert Paperoles from the sale. I was really crossing my fingers for one. I am not sure, but I don't think she found a Vert one for me. I guess most of them went to resellers who will list them on Ebay later for two times retail or more . Too bad, because if I could have one, I would admire it, wear it and love it a lot .

When I was at the sale a few years ago, they had some grey Ex Libris shawls, a holy grail for many. I could have bought them all and sell them on Ebay to make a good profit. But that would mean that other people wouldn't have the chance to buy this shawl anymore at such a great price, because I would have them all. I didn't do it, because it felt very wrong to me to take them all just for making a profit. I don't have anything against making a good profit, but on a sale like this, I could never go with the intention to grab as much as possible just to sell everything for a profit later. Maybe that's just me, but this is how I think about it. JMHO .

Completely agree with you
The best way to try to stop this is not to buy from these people, maybe if they stay 1 or 2 years without selling this 2nd market will stop by itself ...

 

[susa]

Some people are very very happy that there are resellers
Not everybody has the opportunity to fly to paris and visit the sale
Apart from this, if you consider time, flight and hotel costs .... a scarf from a reseller is still less expensive
And you never know what you will get in the sale...

 

[**Chanel**]

Some people are very very happy that there are resellers
Not everybody has the opportunity to fly to paris and visit the sale
Apart from this, if you consider time, flight and hotel costs .... a scarf from a reseller is still less expensive
And you never know what you will get in the sale...

This is not always true IMO. Resellers are making the choice themself, they choose to go to the sales, just to grab everything that could be interesting to make a profit on (a choice that I would never make in the first place). Trust me, if they couldn't make a big profit, they wouldn't take the time, book a flight, make hotel costs etc. I am talking about the big resellers here btw.
And regarding the price, I don't think a Paperoles for 2K is less expensive (just a random example). I also don't think it's fair to list items from the sale on Ebay, hiding the 's' stamp in the pictures and don't mention they are sale items. I have seen this happen more than once.
I've also noticed aggressive behavior from resellers when I went to the sales a few years ago. Just to get the items what they want, no matter what (but then again, it were not only resellers who showed this type of behavior). And for that kind of behavior, I do not have any respect. Not at all.

Of course there are also many friendly resellers out there who are honest. And yes, some people are very grateful that these resellers are out there, which I understand. I, for one, would never pay a huge premium for an item (maybe I would if I was a millionair, but alas, I am not ), but I also understand others who don't mind to pay a huge premium. To each his own.

However, I still don't agree with the behavior of the resellers who will snap everything that is interesting at the sale, just to make a profit. That they come with 5/6 people so that they can grab as much as possible. So that other people, who have been waiting in line several hours as well, who also booked a flight and hotel, maybe miss out on an item, just because the reseller has it all and is going to make a big profit on it. That's just wrong. JMHO .

 

[Baja]

This is not always true IMO. Resellers are making the choice themself, they choose to go to the sales, just to grab everything that could be interesting to make a profit on (a choice that I would never make in the first place). Trust me, if they couldn't make a big profit, they wouldn't take the time, book a flight, make hotel costs etc. I am talking about the big resellers here btw.
And regarding the price, I don't think a Paperoles for 2K is less expensive (just a random example). I also don't think it's fair to list items from the sale on Ebay, hiding the 's' stamp in the pictures and don't mention they are sale items. I have seen this happen more than once.
I've also noticed aggressive behavior from resellers when I went to the sales a few years ago. Just to get the items what they want, no matter what (but then again, it were not only resellers who showed this type of behavior). And for that kind of behavior, I do not have any respect. Not at all.

Of course there are also many friendly resellers out there who are honest. And yes, some people are very grateful that these resellers are out there, which I understand. I, for one, would never pay a huge premium for an item (maybe I would if I was a millionair, but alas, I am not ), but I also understand others who don't mind to pay a huge premium. To each his own.

However, I still don't agree with the behavior of the resellers who will snap everything that is interesting at the sale, just to make a profit. That they come with 5/6 people so that they can grab as much as possible. So that other people, who have been waiting in line several hours as well, who also booked a flight and hotel, maybe miss out on an item, just because the reseller has it all and is going to make a big profit on it. That's just wrong. JMHO .

I completely agree with you Chanel

 

[Notorious Pink]

Some people are very very happy that there are resellers
Not everybody has the opportunity to fly to paris and visit the sale
Apart from this, if you consider time, flight and hotel costs .... a scarf from a reseller is still less expensive
And you never know what you will get in the sale...

This is not always true IMO. Resellers are making the choice themself, they choose to go to the sales, just to grab everything that could be interesting to make a profit on (a choice that I would never make in the first place). Trust me, if they couldn't make a big profit, they wouldn't take the time, book a flight, make hotel costs etc. I am talking about the big resellers here btw.
And regarding the price, I don't think a Paperoles for 2K is less expensive (just a random example). I also don't think it's fair to list items from the sale on Ebay, hiding the 's' stamp in the pictures and don't mention they are sale items. I have seen this happen more than once.
I've also noticed aggressive behavior from resellers when I went to the sales a few years ago. Just to get the items what they want, no matter what (but then again, it were not only resellers who showed this type of behavior). And for that kind of behavior, I do not have any respect. Not at all.

Of course there are also many friendly resellers out there who are honest. And yes, some people are very grateful that these resellers are out there, which I understand. I, for one, would never pay a huge premium for an item (maybe I would if I was a millionair, but alas, I am not ), but I also understand others who don't mind to pay a huge premium. To each his own.

However, I still don't agree with the behavior of the resellers who will snap everything that is interesting at the sale, just to make a profit. That they come with 5/6 people so that they can grab as much as possible. So that other people, who have been waiting in line several hours as well, who also booked a flight and hotel, maybe miss out on an item, just because the reseller has it all and is going to make a big profit on it. That's just wrong. JMHO .

I totally agree with you, **Chanel**. I personally have had bad experiences observing the behavior of resellers at Hermès sales in NY...literally grabbing items out of someone else's hand in order to sell (sometimes at an exorbitant price)...unjustifiable behavior! This is not to say that all resellers are bad or that they do this, of course. I have an acquaintance who buys selectively at the sales and then does resell, but reasonably (which is certainly not above regular retail for a sale item). I do buy from her and I am happy that she visits the sales and gives me an opportunity to purchase her finds... It just depends upon how it is done, like anything else.

As a general matter, and this is just my opinion, a reseller really shouldn't include a percentage of travel costs in the price of a scarf, because then the price does not really reflect the true value of the item. Many resellers are just hoping that their item is someone's "grail", with that intangible added value that would provide the impetus for a buyer paying the inflated amount, but that is relatively rare and discourages others who would pay well, but fair and reasonably. The evidence is of course the scarves we see listed and relisted and relisted ad Infinitum on eBay.....I just finally stopped watching a "Comtesse de Segur" that has been listed at $599 for at least two years. To me personally, there is no added value, and if it had an S stamp (it doesn't, not a sale item), to me, that is less inherent value. I love Hermès, but I love no object so much as to really overpay for it, no matter what it is. Beyond a certain price, I can just live without it.

 

[Baja]

I totally agree with you, **Chanel**. I personally have had bad experiences observing the behavior of resellers at Hermès sales in NY...literally grabbing items out of someone else's hand in order to sell (sometimes at an exorbitant price)...unjustifiable behavior! This is not to say that all resellers are bad or that they do this, of course. I have an acquaintance who buys selectively at the sales and then does resell, but reasonably (which is certainly not above regular retail for a sale item). I do buy from her and I am happy that she visits the sales and gives me an opportunity to purchase her finds... It just depends upon how it is done, like anything else.

As a general matter, and this is just my opinion, a reseller really shouldn't include a percentage of travel costs in the price of a scarf, because then the price does not really reflect the true value of the item. Many resellers are just hoping that their item is someone's "grail", with that intangible added value that would provide the impetus for a buyer paying the inflated amount, but that is relatively rare and discourages others who would pay well, but fair and reasonably. The evidence is of course the scarves we see listed and relisted and relisted ad Infinitum on eBay.....I just finally stopped watching a "Comtesse de Segur" that has been listed at $599 for at least two years. To me personally, there is no added value, and if it had an S stamp (it doesn't, not a sale item), to me, that is less inherent value. I love Hermès, but I love no object so much as to really overpay for it, no matter what it is. Beyond a certain price, I can just live without it.

Yes ! same as me ...
and would add that I will never pay an item baught during the sales at a higher price that the regular price

 

[lovely64]

I totally agree with you, **Chanel**. I personally have had bad experiences observing the behavior of resellers at Hermès sales in NY...literally grabbing items out of someone else's hand in order to sell (sometimes at an exorbitant price)...unjustifiable behavior! This is not to say that all resellers are bad or that they do this, of course. I have an acquaintance who buys selectively at the sales and then does resell, but reasonably (which is certainly not above regular retail for a sale item). I do buy from her and I am happy that she visits the sales and gives me an opportunity to purchase her finds... It just depends upon how it is done, like anything else.

As a general matter, and this is just my opinion, a reseller really shouldn't include a percentage of travel costs in the price of a scarf, because then the price does not really reflect the true value of the item. Many resellers are just hoping that their item is someone's "grail", with that intangible added value that would provide the impetus for a buyer paying the inflated amount, but that is relatively rare and discourages others who would pay well, but fair and reasonably. The evidence is of course the scarves we see listed and relisted and relisted ad Infinitum on eBay.....I just finally stopped watching a "Comtesse de Segur" that has been listed at $599 for at least two years. To me personally, there is no added value, and if it had an S stamp (it doesn't, not a sale item), to me, that is less inherent value. I love Hermès, but I love no object so much as to really overpay for it, no matter what it is. Beyond a certain price, I can just live without it.

From this day forward I will adapt your thinking. No more exhorbitant prices for some imaginary grail for me. I have done it too often and I should stop.

 

[Notorious Pink]

From this day forward I will adapt your thinking. No more exhorbitant prices for some imaginary grail for me. I have done it too often and I should stop.

lovely, I'm flattered! There are just too many things to love out there...heck, with all the awesome TPF photos, I'm never at a loss for something new to hunt down! I just have my limits. When it comes down to it, much as I love my H, I'm not really attached to anything, this is just the fun stuff!!

 

[susa]

A hermes sale is not soo different from other sales, ie black friday sales....the behaviour is the same and always depends on the individual
Black friday or other sales attracs a lot of resellers as well, sales will always be attractive for them, it does not mean that they always win, sometimes they do not

For people who do not want to fly from the US to Paris, do not want to stand and wait for a least 3 h in the early morning, resellers are very good , at least one has the chance to buy

3 of my holy grail gms are from resellers and i am therefore very happy that there are resellers, one has the option in choosing the nice ones

 

[lillyn79]

Some people are very very happy that there are resellers
Not everybody has the opportunity to fly to paris and visit the sale
Apart from this, if you consider time, flight and hotel costs .... a scarf from a reseller is still less expensive
And you never know what you will get in the sale...

I agree with you.

Besides, no one is doing something unethical. We are talking about luxury items not items that are a necessity to live.

There is nothing kind about leaving a scarf behind so someone else could buy it. This is a scarf, not piece of food that is taken out of a starving child's mouth.

 

[**Chanel**]

I agree with you.

Besides, no one is doing something unethical. We are talking about luxury items not items that are a necessity to live.

There is nothing kind about leaving a scarf behind so someone else could buy it. This is a scarf, not piece of food that is taken out of a starving child's mouth.

We are not talking about just one scarf here, we are talking about big resellers who take every populair shawl/scarf just to make a big profit, so that other visitors who stand also in the line have nothing or miss out on an item they would like to have. That's greedy and selfish behavior if you ask me. But you are free to think different about that of course.

But to compare a starving child's mouth with luxury items, I have no words for that. Maybe I misunderstood since English isn't my first language, but I don't get it why you would compare a starving child's mouth with luxury items.

lovely, I am proud of you, you should definitely try not to pay high premiums anymore ! I always admired how you tracked down your HG items, but with Hermès, there is always another item that is also nice like BBC said. I don't mind to pay a small premium for an item, but I wouldn't pay a huge premium. Let's say 2K for a shawl. For that amount of money I have two cashmere shawls here in Europe. Or almost one cashmere shawl and leather CDC .

Baja, Thank you. I am glad that I am not the only one who thinks this way.

 

[susa]

We just have a different opinion , chanel
Live and let live.......
It is in the nature of people that they get kind of greedy when the magic word SALE pops up as well as envy is in their nature

 

[summerrain]

I agree with a lot of the points you ladies brought up... but am i the only one who is selfishly kind of happy the H sale in new york has been SO miserable in terms of merchandise these past few years? It's nice purchasing through the year knowing with almost absolute certainty that the item you're looking at isn't going to in a sale bin pawed over by multiple sweaty palms until its finally seized by some grubby reseller and heads into its next (hopefully better) afterlife.

sorry if that was too much sharing. Ahh.. as we already established this is a sale for luxury items and not a whole lot of people in that line are exactly in need. Also as the H sale usually takes place mid-day on a Wednesday, and the line is always insanely long, they drive away the majority of the working girls and attract primarily resellers, students, tri-state housewives and tourists.