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Here's my take (for what it's worth, which is exactly what I'm charging for it :p): Hermes is a for-profit company. The ultimate goal, always, is to sell product. To the degree that "exclusivity" contributes to the brand's desirability and therefore its bottom line, Hermes will support this image. But they also want to stay visible. And make money.
They are being selective about to whom they sell Birkins and Kellys because they have to be. The supply is not adequate to the demand right now, and if they truly sold their most desired products on a first come, first served basis, the boutiques would be nearly empty after the first half-hour. Keeping people coming in hoping to "score" (whether at random or via staggered appointment times) constitutes intermittent reinforcement, the most effective strategy to increase a behavior's occurrence (as I believe PbP pointed out some pages back). And when people flow into the store seeking a B/K, they may well walk away with other items. To the degree that resellers allow customers to bypass this process, Hermes is against them. If a prospective customer only wants a Birkin and can get that Birkin without ever setting foot in a boutique, the opportunity to upsell this customer and create a new relationship/revenue stream is lost. This is the chief, and arguably the only, objection Hermes has to resellers. The degree to which a resale market "********izes" Hermes access is of negligible concern to H management, I suspect.
As for the "spend X dollars, win a Birkin" approach, this is a crass but understandable effort to increase sales, no more and no less. In the days when these bags were less known, one could walk into a boutique and buy one off the shelf. No minimum purchase, no games, no evaluation of personal worthiness. The fact of being able to afford the bag was the sole sine qua non. If demand falls or production is significantly increased (the latter unlikely without a major change in the manufacturing processes and ethos of the company), the perceived gauntlet that one must run to purchase these bags will fall away.
I get very uncomfortable when the discussion turns toward who "should" carry Hermes, whom Hermes "wants" to carry their bags, etc. The tone then starts to move toward an us and them elitism that I dislike. (I am not responding to any specific post here: this theme has recurred with some frequency on tPF.) These are handbags. We are not allocating organ transplants here. :D

Well said Mindi. It does get a bit uncomfortable when we delve to far into the subject. I have to try to stay in my zen place with Hermes.
 
excellent point, momasaurus. The ultimate control for any brand, especially H, is where they place their stores as well as the size of those stores. The larger cities get the larger stores with a larger selection. Pity the SMs in the smaller cities....they must be at the bottom of the H list...kinda like the aspirational customer. Plus, all of these recently renovated stores give us a glimpse of what the French have experienced from the beginning. If only we had known what we were missing, we would have demanded better. The more we learn about these luxury brands, the wiser our choices are.
 
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I envy you guys who are in large cities with flagship stores and multiple boutiques within driving range. In our country, we only have 1 boutique and I believe it is a franchise one. I feel that the inventory is always subpar to other countries. Or perhaps, I'm simply not purchasing enough to be considered on 1st dibs on the new merchandise. I have been waiting for a garden party 36 in any shade of medium to dark blue ( nuit, saphir, hydra, de prusse, de galice etc) for 6 months and still nada. I saw a colvert one in Changi airport last month and I was contemplating on buying, but stopped myself because it was around 15% higher than in my country. The wait continues... H is so frustrating...
 
Here's my take (for what it's worth, which is exactly what I'm charging for it :p): Hermes is a for-profit company. The ultimate goal, always, is to sell product. To the degree that "exclusivity" contributes to the brand's desirability and therefore its bottom line, Hermes will support this image. But they also want to stay visible. And make money.
They are being selective about to whom they sell Birkins and Kellys because they have to be. The supply is not adequate to the demand right now, and if they truly sold their most desired products on a first come, first served basis, the boutiques would be nearly empty after the first half-hour. Keeping people coming in hoping to "score" (whether at random or via staggered appointment times) constitutes intermittent reinforcement, the most effective strategy to increase a behavior's occurrence (as I believe PbP pointed out some pages back). And when people flow into the store seeking a B/K, they may well walk away with other items. To the degree that resellers allow customers to bypass this process, Hermes is against them. If a prospective customer only wants a Birkin and can get that Birkin without ever setting foot in a boutique, the opportunity to upsell this customer and create a new relationship/revenue stream is lost. This is the chief, and arguably the only, objection Hermes has to resellers. The degree to which a resale market "********izes" Hermes access is of negligible concern to H management, I suspect.
As for the "spend X dollars, win a Birkin" approach, this is a crass but understandable effort to increase sales, no more and no less. In the days when these bags were less known, one could walk into a boutique and buy one off the shelf. No minimum purchase, no games, no evaluation of personal worthiness. The fact of being able to afford the bag was the sole sine qua non. If demand falls or production is significantly increased (the latter unlikely without a major change in the manufacturing processes and ethos of the company), the perceived gauntlet that one must run to purchase these bags will fall away.
I get very uncomfortable when the discussion turns toward who "should" carry Hermes, whom Hermes "wants" to carry their bags, etc. The tone then starts to move toward an us and them elitism that I dislike. (I am not responding to any specific post here: this theme has recurred with some frequency on tPF.) These are handbags. We are not allocating organ transplants here. :biggrin:

You see, everything makes sense about what you say, but when I read the part I bolded it makes me think "is H really against these type of resellers?" (granted, you said "to a degree", so we are probably agreeing!).

The reason I'm asking is because if they really were, they would be able to prevent these sellers from amassing a large amount of bags for the resale "in new condition" market. We know who these people are. H knows who these people are. So, if they prevent us - standard customers - to buy bags when we want them, why don't they do the same with the people who buy exclusively for resale? "Worthiness" of the client comes to mind, and it is disturbing.

The "new condition" resale market fuels the presence of the H most coveted items in the IG accounts of many people who have the cash to spend but they refuse to play the H game. These are instant gratification clients, no way they'd wait months for a bag that may not be the "it" bag once they get it.

I can't remember her name, but there is this lady (in)famously known for putting her Himalayan birkin in the snow and posting the pics it in IG. She amassed just recently an amount of B and K that, if the rule of "not more than on B or K every 6 months" were applied, she'd have to be 150 years old.

Personally I think these resellers are playing the H field, allowing H to have their products in the hands of the rich and famous of IG while still being able to pretend they only sell to faithful customers and show their elegant clean hands to the world. Sure, uh uh.

Said that, I like their products, and I have too-large-to-make-sense number of items by them. I buy what I want from H, as long as it still feels like a luxury experience. When that's gone, when I am supposed to beg, and call, and wait and hope for something to appear, that's no luxury to me. My time and attention are my most valuable assets.
 
said all that...usually I buy more in the AW season that in the SS season, because of the colorways, but the motorcycle scarf shown in the spring 2017 thread is calling my name...

So, principles go so far, apparently. :biggrin:
 
Just to clarify, I am not for an elitist approach to who should or shouldn't carry an H bag but was commenting on that tone that does sometimes pervade conversation on tPF. If we were judging books by their cover I would probably not appear to be a "desirable" H customer though I was recently told by someone very, very high up at H that I actually am exactly who they hope to cultivate as a lifelong client. I just am very fascinated by branding and brand management especially in an age of constant exposure on social media.

Does anyone want to talk about lipstick? Shoes? Dries Van Noten? I have a new favorite lip creme, Jouer which I learned about from watching too many makeup videos on YouTube. It stays on all day. H shoes continue to kill me, I want at least 2 more pairs from this Fall and the Spring look tempting too. Dries, my suit is going to the tailor and I found a sale blouse from the Outnet to layer under it. I also got a great Chanel tee with amazing buttons up the back. I kind of can't believe I spent that much on a long sleeve tee shirt but it will look so good with everything from jeans to leather pants to a dressy skirt. That's what happens when I don't get a bag when I think I will, I start moving down the rest of the wish list. That usually makes a bag show up :p

I'm wearing my Stella McCartney cat shirt today, I love this shirt and want to get more in this cut if they make it. It's a good fit over the girls which is unusual in a button down. I did find that Anne Fontaine was a good fit but I got one of their jersey shirts and it got a hole almost immediately.

I have a day at the office to catch up so that I can hopefully have a quiet and relaxing end of the week. My project over the weekend was a big one and the end of my busy season is in sight!

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I am also likely not appearing to be a "desirable H client" and dislike the discussions of who should vs should not carry H bags. But why is it only the bags? Am I also supposed to stay away from the scarves? The fine jewelry? Should the home goods not be purchased for my home? :rolleyes:

I do feel lucky that I shop at the flagship, re: those discussions. There is a lot of selection and the people there are wonderful. When I first became interested in H, it was because of the scarves.... I think I mentioned here before that I really believed I'd leave this with only one single scarf, and later, three or four max. :lol: But I had heard on here that Madison was a bit cold and almost headed to the Wall Street store which has a great reputation on here.... except I'm often right by Madison so it was the more convenient location. I'm very glad I gave it a try; it's been a great "fit" for me.
 
Just to clarify, I am not for an elitist approach to who should or shouldn't carry an H bag but was commenting on that tone that does sometimes pervade conversation on tPF. If we were judging books by their cover I would probably not appear to be a "desirable" H customer though I was recently told by someone very, very high up at H that I actually am exactly who they hope to cultivate as a lifelong client. I just am very fascinated by branding and brand management especially in an age of constant exposure on social media.

Does anyone want to talk about lipstick? Shoes? Dries Van Noten? I have a new favorite lip creme, Jouer which I learned about from watching too many makeup videos on YouTube. It stays on all day. H shoes continue to kill me, I want at least 2 more pairs from this Fall and the Spring look tempting too. Dries, my suit is going to the tailor and I found a sale blouse from the Outnet to layer under it. I also got a great Chanel tee with amazing buttons up the back. I kind of can't believe I spent that much on a long sleeve tee shirt but it will look so good with everything from jeans to leather pants to a dressy skirt. That's what happens when I don't get a bag when I think I will, I start moving down the rest of the wish list. That usually makes a bag show up :p

I'm wearing my Stella McCartney cat shirt today, I love this shirt and want to get more in this cut if they make it. It's a good fit over the girls which is unusual in a button down. I did find that Anne Fontaine was a good fit but I got one of their jersey shirts and it got a hole almost immediately.

I have a day at the office to catch up so that I can hopefully have a quiet and relaxing end of the week. My project over the weekend was a big one and the end of my busy season is in sight!

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You got your tee! So glad to hear it. I know that it was difficult to find. Your cat shirt looks fab. At least you are working down your wishlist and not making impulse purchases. You are very disciplined.

I didn't do any shopping on the west coast. I was very proud of myself. I'm still waiting to hear if my store can get the dress that I want in my size.

I don't have any lipstick advice. I did recently switch from Bobbi brown cream undereye concealer and corrector to her new formula which is a liquid with a wand. It still does an excellent job at hiding dark circles and it doesn't settle into fine lines as much as the cream. I highly recommend it.

The dermatologist treated my rosacea and that is clearing up nicely as well. Thank goodness.

Hope everyone has a good week. I got home late last night so I'm dragging a bit today.
 
I envy you guys who are in large cities with flagship stores and multiple boutiques within driving range. In our country, we only have 1 boutique and I believe it is a franchise one. I feel that the inventory is always subpar to other countries. Or perhaps, I'm simply not purchasing enough to be considered on 1st dibs on the new merchandise. I have been waiting for a garden party 36 in any shade of medium to dark blue ( nuit, saphir, hydra, de prusse, de galice etc) for 6 months and still nada. I saw a colvert one in Changi airport last month and I was contemplating on buying, but stopped myself because it was around 15% higher than in my country. The wait continues... H is so frustrating...

I actually used to live just a few blocks away from an H store in a country where the prices are far more expensive than mine. I am really, really glad I wasn't into H back then. :lol:

said all that...usually I buy more in the AW season that in the SS season, because of the colorways, but the motorcycle scarf shown in the spring 2017 thread is calling my name...

So, principles go so far, apparently. :biggrin:

I also tend to buy a lot more in the AW season than SS, at least in terms of RTW, shoes, and scarves. Partially because I don't do well with brights an pastels and tend to avoid open toed shoes.... Actually I don't have a single pair, though there is one with a peep toe at Bergdorfs I'm eyeing right now.... but I don't know if I can bring myself to do open toe.

With H, at least there is the fine jewelry and the home goods so I do shop there in SS as well. I think a lot of my SS purchases at H were jewelry this year.

Just to clarify, I am not for an elitist approach to who should or shouldn't carry an H bag but was commenting on that tone that does sometimes pervade conversation on tPF. If we were judging books by their cover I would probably not appear to be a "desirable" H customer though I was recently told by someone very, very high up at H that I actually am exactly who they hope to cultivate as a lifelong client. I just am very fascinated by branding and brand management especially in an age of constant exposure on social media.

Does anyone want to talk about lipstick? Shoes? Dries Van Noten? I have a new favorite lip creme, Jouer which I learned about from watching too many makeup videos on YouTube. It stays on all day. H shoes continue to kill me, I want at least 2 more pairs from this Fall and the Spring look tempting too. Dries, my suit is going to the tailor and I found a sale blouse from the Outnet to layer under it. I also got a great Chanel tee with amazing buttons up the back. I kind of can't believe I spent that much on a long sleeve tee shirt but it will look so good with everything from jeans to leather pants to a dressy skirt. That's what happens when I don't get a bag when I think I will, I start moving down the rest of the wish list. That usually makes a bag show up :p

I'm wearing my Stella McCartney cat shirt today, I love this shirt and want to get more in this cut if they make it. It's a good fit over the girls which is unusual in a button down. I did find that Anne Fontaine was a good fit but I got one of their jersey shirts and it got a hole almost immediately.

I have a day at the office to catch up so that I can hopefully have a quiet and relaxing end of the week. My project over the weekend was a big one and the end of my busy season is in sight!

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H shoes are killing me too. Apparently Madison has a new shoe floor and I am dying to check it out. Sadly one of the pairs I was eyeing is too wide for my foot so I passed on this.... This also happened with a pair of shoes at Bergdorfs recently.

I'm in the mood for a new lipstick. I've heard good things about Edward Bess, has anyone here tried them? I think I will check them out next week.

I adore that cat shirt!!!!!! Anything with a cat on it tends to win me over.
 
Does anyone want to talk about lipstick? Shoes? Dries Van Noten? I have a new favorite lip creme, Jouer which I learned about from watching too many makeup videos on YouTube.

Interesting!!
I love lipsticks that do not wear off. That's all i can wear now. I'll have to try this brand. Where do you find it?

It stays on all day. H shoes continue to kill me, I want at least 2 more pairs from this Fall and the Spring look tempting too. Dries, my suit is going to the tailor and I found a sale blouse from the Outnet to layer under it. I also got a great Chanel tee with amazing buttons up the back. I kind of can't believe I spent that much on a long sleeve tee shirt but it will look so good with everything from jeans to leather pants to a dressy skirt. That's what happens when I don't get a bag when I think I will, I start moving down the rest of the wish list. That usually makes a bag show up :p

I'm wearing my Stella McCartney cat shirt today, I love this shirt and want to get more in this cut if they make it. It's a good fit over the girls which is unusual in a button down. I did find that Anne Fontaine was a good fit but I got one of their jersey shirts and it got a hole almost immediately.

I have a day at the office to catch up so that I can hopefully have a quiet and relaxing end of the week. My project over the weekend was a big one and the end of my busy season is in sight!

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Love the shirt! The chanel t-shirt is such a great staple to a wardrobe, perfect!

I have mixed feelings on anne fontaine. I like their cuts, but the cotton wrinkles very easily and the jersey is not great quality, as you've noticed. I find to think about buying them oten but end up leaving them int he store most of the time.
 
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I also tend to buy a lot more in the AW season than SS, at least in terms of RTW, shoes, and scarves. Partially because I don't do well with brights an pastels and tend to avoid open toed shoes.... Actually I don't have a single pair, though there is one with a peep toe at Bergdorfs I'm eyeing right now.... but I don't know if I can bring myself to do open toe.

With H, at least there is the fine jewelry and the home goods so I do shop there in SS as well. I think a lot of my SS purchases at H were jewelry this year.

I don't do sandals or open toes either. I don't like that dust and dirt gets in...and no way i can use sandals in the fall/winter. I am always so cold!!
 
I actually used to live just a few blocks away from an H store in a country where the prices are far more expensive than mine. I am really, really glad I wasn't into H back then. :lol:



I also tend to buy a lot more in the AW season than SS, at least in terms of RTW, shoes, and scarves. Partially because I don't do well with brights an pastels and tend to avoid open toed shoes.... Actually I don't have a single pair, though there is one with a peep toe at Bergdorfs I'm eyeing right now.... but I don't know if I can bring myself to do open toe.

With H, at least there is the fine jewelry and the home goods so I do shop there in SS as well. I think a lot of my SS purchases at H were jewelry this year.



H shoes are killing me too. Apparently Madison has a new shoe floor and I am dying to check it out. Sadly one of the pairs I was eyeing is too wide for my foot so I passed on this.... This also happened with a pair of shoes at Bergdorfs recently.

I'm in the mood for a new lipstick. I've heard good things about Edward Bess, has anyone here tried them? I think I will check them out next week.

I adore that cat shirt!!!!!! Anything with a cat on it tends to win me over.

I tried Edward Bess tinted moisturizer and while I liked it, it didn't last very long for the price and I didn't rebuy. Let us know how you find the lipsticks.
I'm trying to wait to see if one of my bags comes before pulling the trigger on anymore shoes. I got 3 pairs in 6 weeks and could have kept going!

Interesting!!
I love lipsticks that do not wear off. That's all i can wear now. I'll have to try this brand. Where do you find it?



Love the shirt! The chanel t-shirt is such a great staple to a wardrobe, perfect!

I have mixed feelings on anne fontaine. I like their cuts, but the cotton wrinkles very easily and the jersey is not great quality, as you've noticed. I find to think about buying them oten but end up leaving them int he store most of the time.

I think Jouer is only via their own website which has excellent photos and swatches on different skin tones. I watch a few makeup bloggers on YouTube who have similar coloring to my own and just buy them. I have been experimenting a lot with makeup lately and while some of the product lines are drying, I like the way matte liquid lip color wears on me. It really does last me the day with a little touch up mid afternoon. I will share my favorite recents in swatches soon.
 
Interesting!!
I love lipsticks that do not wear off. That's all i can wear now. I'll have to try this brand. Where do you find it?



Love the shirt! The chanel t-shirt is such a great staple to a wardrobe, perfect!

I have mixed feelings on anne fontaine. I like their cuts, but the cotton wrinkles very easily and the jersey is not great quality, as you've noticed. I find to think about buying them oten but end up leaving them int he store most of the time.

I'm sad to say that I think Anne Fontaine quality has gone down hill. I think for a great fitting cotton button down they are wonderful but the rest is not of the quality it used to be. I find myself walking out empty handed quite often.
 
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I think Jouer is only via their own website which has excellent photos and swatches on different skin tones. I watch a few makeup bloggers on YouTube who have similar coloring to my own and just buy them. I have been experimenting a lot with makeup lately and while some of the product lines are drying, I like the way matte liquid lip color wears on me. It really does last me the day with a little touch up mid afternoon. I will share my favorite recents in swatches soon.

I wear very little makeup, just lipstick and concealer (i have terrible dark circles...PDP experience may be handy too). I will check the website. Looking forward to see your suggestions on colors!

I like matte lipstick too. I hardly have time to touch up during theday, therefore a long lasting color is mandatory.
 
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