Has Hermes moved production to different countries?

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Ms Birkin

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Yesterday in Italy, I was looking to buy DH a small gift from a work trip. I was checking out the mens gloves. I found a couple of pairs I liked but was surprised to see the label said "made in Czech Republic"

The other pairs he has are either made in France or Italy. I didn't buy the ones in Hermes as I was disappointed with the stitching quality. I guess it's probably cheaper to make these goods in the Czech Republic, but at what cost to quality?
 
#2
DOn't think you have to worry more about quality of those gloves than any other gloves made in France. As far as I know czech rep has less chinese ghettos than Italy.
 
#3
Unlike other brands where production meets cheaper labour, Hermes on the other hand focus solely more on the expertise and talent the country is able to provide to fit with the vision and theme of some of Hermes creations.


At what cost to quality? This is worthy to think about. E.g., Ahmedabad tote made in India. When you compare the tote with other Hermes non-leather bags made in France, quality-wise, overall motherland wins.
 
#4
As far as i know, Hermes items are sourced from various countries. For example, Cashmere itmes may be sourced from Scotland, Italy or France. Watches are from Switzerland.

While key items such as bags may be made in France, it is unrealistic to expect any multinationals in this day and age to just have production in any one country.

As for the comments regarding Chinese ghetto, I think it can clearly be established some of the finest handicrafts can be made in China or in other parts of Asia. Many beading on couture gowns are regularly down by craftspersons in places such as India and then flown back to Europe to finish (in order to get the made in Europe label?)
 
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hanyeu said:
As far as i know, Hermes items are sourced from various countries. For example, Cashmere itmes may be sourced from Scotland, Italy or France. Watches are from Switzerland.

While key items such as bags may be made in France, it is unrealistic to expect any multinationals in this day and age to just have production in any one country.

As for the comments regarding Chinese ghetto, I think it can clearly be established some of the finest handicrafts can be made in China or in other parts of Asia. Many beading on couture gowns are regularly down by craftspersons in places such as India and then flown back to Europe to finish (in order to get the made in Europe label?)
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could not have said it better myself...............:tup::tup::tup:
 
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hanyeu said:
as far as i know, hermes items are sourced from various countries. For example, cashmere itmes may be sourced from scotland, italy or france. Watches are from switzerland.

While key items such as bags may be made in france, it is unrealistic to expect any multinationals in this day and age to just have production in any one country.

As for the comments regarding chinese ghetto, i think it can clearly be established some of the finest handicrafts can be made in china or in other parts of asia. Many beading on couture gowns are regularly down by craftspersons in places such as india and then flown back to europe to finish (in order to get the made in europe label?)
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hanyeu said:
As for the comments regarding Chinese ghetto, I think it can clearly be established some of the finest handicrafts can be made in China or in other parts of Asia. Many beading on couture gowns are regularly down by craftspersons in places such as India and then flown back to Europe to finish (in order to get the made in Europe label?)
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The problem is rather the circumstances under which these people are brought to and living under, not the level of craftsmanship. I was specifically referring to what's been going on in italy, not to conditions in China at all, allthough it's not unlikely that you might find similar conditions there in certain places.

I have no qualms about things being made in china as such really and I think the steps H has been taking to try to promote a made in china luxury brand based on chinese traditions is a measure that might help to elevate traditionals crafts from that part of the world to the level that many european crafts have been.
 
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Some things as said before are made in different points because of craftsmanship ! The espadrilles for example are made in Spain and I would be disappointed if they were not after all that is at least for the western world the origin of the espadrille and must agree upon the china issue some of the most beautiful craftsmanship I have seen comes from china and the quality issue has become a stereotype to all chinese products, and as all stereo types it must not be taken as general rule .
 
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Liberté;16802903 said:
The problem is rather the circumstances under which these people are brought to and living under, not the level of craftsmanship. I was specifically referring to what's been going on in italy, not to conditions in China at all, allthough it's not unlikely that you might find similar conditions there in certain places.

I have no qualms about things being made in china as such really and I think the steps H has been taking to try to promote a made in china luxury brand based on chinese traditions is a measure that might help to elevate traditionals crafts from that part of the world to the level that many european crafts have been.
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The level of the Italian craftmenship is superbe, and has nothing to do with what you refere to. Especially if you are talking about Hermes and other top end brands.
This is the reason why the top level quality items are done in Italy.

I have no idea of what you refere to, unless you talk of low end brands.

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Liberté;16802903 said:
The problem is rather the circumstances under which these people are brought to and living under, not the level of craftsmanship. I was specifically referring to what's been going on in italy, not to conditions in China at all, allthough it's not unlikely that you might find similar conditions there in certain places.

I have no qualms about things being made in china as such really and I think the steps H has been taking to try to promote a made in china luxury brand based on chinese traditions is a measure that might help to elevate traditionals crafts from that part of the world to the level that many european crafts have been.
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Liberte - I wonder if you are aware of the rich history of Chinese craftsmanship that happened long before Marco Polo arrived? There are lots of very high end luxury artisans in China that produce extremely high quality luxury goods. Let's not confuse the fact that China can produce cheap mass produced goods with whether they have craftsman comparable to European standards.
 
#13
This is getting into a discussion of labour standards and craftsmanship and the OP merely asked whether or not Hermes produced items outside of France....
 
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doloresmia said:
Liberte - I wonder if you are aware of the rich history of Chinese craftsmanship that happened long before Marco Polo arrived? There are lots of very high end luxury artisans in China that produce extremely high quality luxury goods. Let's not confuse the fact that China can produce cheap mass produced goods with whether they have craftsman comparable to European standards.
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I'm really sorry that I didn't make myself clear. =(
When I ment elevating, I was thinking of the made in china label in the minds of the public, not what's actually being produced in that country. I don't think it's a secret that there's been a certain image problem for many countries, not only in china, if not we wouldn't even have this thread. =)

costa I was thiniking of the reports such as this one .I have no clue whether H has bought from these companies or not and it's not really relevant for this thread. I was merely trying to point out that I don't think that the items made in other places such as czech republic would necessarily compromise quality more than anything made in italy, very much agreeing with the examples given by other posters. =)

Again I apologize for not being more precise. =)
 
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Liberte, thank you for sharing that article. i've read about this not just in italy but also in other parts of the european community where laborers are sourced from lower income countries.

but back to topic, I hope that OP understands that Made in xxx is a very "loose" concept in this day and age. For example, alligator used by Hermes is supposedly farmed in Australia, tanned in Singapore and then made into products in France. I know this as the CITES gives very detailed information on the provenance of the skin.

I think we all love Hermes for their designs and to a degree, brand image. But I would be very surprised if the craftspersons in their Lyon workshop are purely "French," if not Eastern Europeans or North Africans.

At the end of the day, we can only rely on Hermes to provide us with the best quality/design and of course, the wonderful after sales service should you have any quality issues with their products.
 
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