Gisele Bundchen

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Let’s not feel too sorry for Gisele. As I understand it, she didn’t retire because Tom asked her to, she retired because she wanted to. These days she is still being asked to model and SHE turns them down. She didn’t “give up” anything, she quit. Her decision.

They have always had a staff of household employees and nannies who take care of everything for them so she’s not working at home. Tom was around six months of the year and they traveled extensively with the kids during that time. I’ve seen the pap vacation photos in exotic locales.

She never needed Tom to support her, she has more money than he does. Gisele’s net worth is $400 million. Tom is only worth $250 million. Divorced or together, these two pretty multi millionaires will be just fine. :biggrin:
I totally agree that these two save-a-species-with-a-single-donation-wealthy people will be just fine. Finer than fine and much better off than almost every other breathing creature on this planet.
But the arguments that Giselle wanted to retire (presumably to prioritise a stable and caring home life for her family) and is therefore wrong to now be unhappy in her marriage is specious in my view.
For a start to say she chose and so therefore can never again have agency in her life just shows how much agency a woman loses by choosing family in the first place.
Why is home making - such necessary work and widely approved as a social good let’s be honest - so disempowering that people cannot say bravo such was your love that you gave up everything at the height of your powers for love of family and your man. Now we say she is ungrateful, she is capricious etc etc
Her choice to give up work was no doubt lauded and applauded by her extended family as the unselfish thing, the right thing to do for her husband and her kids. She did it for many years and then she wanted a change. I love the guy there’s a lot to admire but Tom didn’t make the same demonstrated commitment and sacrifice for love. He went from strength to strength in his career after marriage. He was allowed to focus on his personal growth and accumulate power (agency) and prestige while he did so. He continues to pursue his personal career interests while others manage the details of his life and home.
It seems so ungrateful to throw it all back in her face now. What more can people expect of a woman? In any other line of life’s work people would observe the years of demonstrated effort and say thank you, not condemn her for not carrying on with more of the same.
So much of women’s home making really is in the moment and thankless, like a castle of sand! Society reaps the benefits of womens home making while telling women to be grateful.
No wonder so many of us find it hard to get a man to take out a garbage can or ‘mind’ his own kids. (Or in Giselle’s case manage the help and be a reassuring constant for children in a high profile family).
 
She did it for many years and then she wanted a change.
This is the interesting part.

She wanted a change. We don’t know the dynamics behind the scenes. The talks they’ve had.

But usually when couples fall out of love or perhaps grow apart, come to want different things, etc, if they tried working together, they likely will do a quiet joint statement.

Bag-mania brought up valid info, and it appears very much so that even in this, she wants to control the narrative, and looking out for her image/best interest, so it sounds like she’s about as stubborn as he is about football.

Can make a really great spark, that passion and let’s give both credit where it’s due, they’ve worked their arse off in their respective fields, it’s that passion/dedication that probably brought them together, but it’s also hard for that strong of two personalities, to last forever, so as long as they’ve lasted, is kind of incredible imho.

**without compromise and acceptance. I still stand by Gisele thinking that she could eventually get Tom to change but she knew who he was going in.
 
I think Giselle's life as a "homemaker" is very different from that of the average woman. These two have the money to pay someone to tend to the cooking, cleaning, shopping, driving, household planning, kids stuff, etc. There is probably at least one personal assistant working for them, and maybe a staff of one or two more depending on how complicated the household is to run and manage.

I don't know how "hands-on" she was with these things, or to what extent. But I don't believe her homemaker experience is not the same as a majority of women. Not to discount her as a mother and the challenges that come with Tom playing/being on the road half of the year, but also not buying that she is beat down, worn out and tired from cleaning, cooking, laundry, etc.

Also don't know what their dynamic is like behind closed doors. Did they irritate the heck out of each other? Did interests and life goals shift? Sometimes a breakup is a result of both people, not just one.
 
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I think Giselle's life as a "homemaker" is very different from that of the average woman. These two have the money to pay someone to tend to the cooking, cleaning, shopping, driving, household planning, kids stuff, etc. There is probably at least one personal assistant working for them, and maybe a staff of one or two more depending on how complicated the household is to run and manage.

I don't know how "hands-on" she was with these things, or to what extent. But I don't believe her homemaker experience is the same as a majority of women. Not to discount her as a mother and the challenges that come with Tom playing/being on the road half of the year, but also not buying that she is beat down, worn out and tired from cleaning, cooking, laundry, etc.

Also don't know what their dynamic is like behind closed doors. Did they irritate the heck out of each other? Did interests and life goals shift? Sometimes a breakup is a result of both people, not just one.
I'm quite sure she doesn't clean the house...he has a special diet so he may have someone prepare his food. she may choose to drive the kids around and cook for them. but if she ever has a conflict I'm sure there are people there to help.
 
Totally agree she is not a normal ‘housewife’ doing manual chores but then again I don’t think that’s the point at all.
I think people are intrinsically motivated by power or agency and the power dynamic of a ‘life manager’ wife ends up being a reactive ‘middle management’ type role. Repetition. Attention to details (trivia). And most importantly, a sense of not being the prime creative force in one’s life.
Can you imagine how dominating the football routine must be?
She gave up an incredible career the eyes of the world upon her with all manner of crazy opportunities and experiences on offer, in order to be there for her family. Now she’s being dragged for not wanting to continue on in the vein of chief middle manager of someone else’s star life.
This is the era of individualistic self improvement and ‘betterment’. Exhibit A - Tom Brady. Many women become disillusioned with marriage when they realise it doesn’t offer the scope for self improvement that they crave. She wants her life back ‍ She probably wants a wife as well lol.
 
I'm quite sure she doesn't clean the house...he has a special diet so he may have someone prepare his food. she may choose to drive the kids around and cook for them. but if she ever has a conflict I'm sure there are people there to help

Yes, the idea that Gisele quit modeling so she could be Susie Homemaker is off the mark. Tom has said they have staff who sees to their every need (housekeepers, chefs, nannies, drivers, etc.) and that they try to get their kids to understand that most people don’t live like they do.

Back in post #2,324 lanasyogamama posted a link to an interesting story about the personal chef who prepares all of the meals for Tom, Gisele, and the kids. The guy used to work for a fancy hotel and Tom and Gisele hired him away to cook exclusively for them, let that sink in.
 
Yes, the idea that Gisele quit modeling so she could be Susie Homemaker is off the mark. Tom has said they have staff who sees to their every need (housekeepers, chefs, nannies, drivers, etc.) and that they try to get their kids to understand that most people don’t live like they do.

Back in post #2,324 lanasyogamama posted a link to an interesting story about the personal chef who prepares all of the meals for Tom, Gisele, and the kids. The guy used to work for a fancy hotel and Tom and Gisele hired him away to cook exclusively for them, let that sink in.
how nice for them
 
I think Giselle's life as a "homemaker" is very different from that of the average woman. These two have the money to pay someone to tend to the cooking, cleaning, shopping, driving, household planning, kids stuff, etc. There is probably at least one personal assistant working for them, and maybe a staff of one or two more depending on how complicated the household is to run and manage.

I don't know how "hands-on" she was with these things, or to what extent. But I don't believe her homemaker experience is not the same as a majority of women. Not to discount her as a mother and the challenges that come with Tom playing/being on the road half of the year, but also not buying that she is beat down, worn out and tired from cleaning, cooking, laundry, etc.

Also don't know what their dynamic is like behind closed doors. Did they irritate the heck out of each other? Did interests and life goals shift? Sometimes a breakup is a result of both people, not just one.
Agreed, I've been a SAHM for 22 years and for 20 of them my (ex)DH traveled 3-5 days/week and while I had a housekeeper every other week, I had no "staff".
I don't think this is about him retiring or not, personally. Also, I don't care really lol, and it's certainly none of my business!
Totally agree she is not a normal ‘housewife’ doing manual chores but then again I don’t think that’s the point at all.
I think people are intrinsically motivated by power or agency and the power dynamic of a ‘life manager’ wife ends up being a reactive ‘middle management’ type role. Repetition. Attention to details (trivia). And most importantly, a sense of not being the prime creative force in one’s life.
Can you imagine how dominating the football routine must be?
She gave up an incredible career the eyes of the world upon her with all manner of crazy opportunities and experiences on offer, in order to be there for her family. Now she’s being dragged for not wanting to continue on in the vein of chief middle manager of someone else’s star life.
This is the era of individualistic self improvement and ‘betterment’. Exhibit A - Tom Brady. Many women become disillusioned with marriage when they realise it doesn’t offer the scope for self improvement that they crave. She wants her life back ‍ She probably wants a wife as well lol.

I know exactly what a pro football schedule looks like for a wife; I've had several friends who's DH played or coached. My heart felt sympathy for the coaches wives, often they're rarely home between practices and games, but then were in so many meetings, sleeping in their offices sometimes. We all have hardships, like I said above my ex traveled more than he was home, I had no real help, you do what you gotta do. I'm not dragging her, I'm certainly judging her b*tchiness based on her actual comments, but I think they're both insufferable and likely impossible to live with.
 
I have to say that im disapointed that we women are here bashing on the female in the relationship. Haven’t we evolved beyond this yet?
Maybe the 6 months he’s home, he’s not helpful with the kids whatsoever and she’s sick of it?
We will never know what goes on behind private doors. I personally don't like either of them :P
 
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