I'm pretty sure that the services Goodwill uses are determined by region. I shop at Goodwills in lots of different places. The stores that are within the same region, such as Goodwill Southern California (which just covers the LA area) or Goodwill of Southern Nevada, are usually fairly uniform but vary widely from Goodwills in other areas in policy and pricing. If you subscribe to a Goodwill discount card, it only works in the region you got it in. I don't think there is much national oversight.
Entrupy is not dependable!
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I just watched a story on the KTLA channel 5 news about this wonderful app that tells Goodwill if their luxury items are real or fake. I had never heard of this before, but couldn't believe it! What a joke!
This tech just isn't possible without the cooperation of the manufacturers, who change identifying details fairly often to deter counterfeiters. I'm so surprised it's gotten traction at all.
I've never bought a pre-loved Hermes bag so I'm not really in the know about this, but I recently spoke with someone who bought a pre-loved bag that was authenticated by a software called Entrupy? Apparently this software guarantees resellers and buyers that the bags are authentic. I guess it's also been mentioned in the Robb Report and Bloomberg. Has anyone ever heard of it? I'm wondering if it is worth anything if you are thinking of selling your bags? Sorry if this is posted in the wrong forum... it's my first post outside of a reply.
Try using the Search feature. There are at least four threads on this, and numerous posts. The most recent and relevant to your question is here:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/entrupy-is-not-dependable.1006960/
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/entrupy-is-not-dependable.1006960/
Thanks so much Jellyv. I was looking through Hermes forums and didn't think to look elsewhere. It seems most people are as skeptical of this as I am. Anyway, thanks for steering me in the right direction.
BEWARE!! And yes, I am YELLING!!
Although I've been uncomfortable from the getgo about the accuracy of a computer program in doing authentications, I knew it was a matter of time before we'd see Entrupy make a mistake on a brand I know.
And this is an obvious fake!
I authenticated (as fake) a bag in this post:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2497#post-33124549
and this is the response 2 different members got from Goodwill when they informed Goodwill of the fake:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2498#post-33126410
and
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2498#post-33126433
Again, BEWARE!! If Entrupy can make this kind of error on an obvious fake, imagine the damage they can do and the money they'll cost buyers who trust them in authenticating mirror fakes.
Although I've been uncomfortable from the getgo about the accuracy of a computer program in doing authentications, I knew it was a matter of time before we'd see Entrupy make a mistake on a brand I know.
And this is an obvious fake!
I authenticated (as fake) a bag in this post:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2497#post-33124549
and this is the response 2 different members got from Goodwill when they informed Goodwill of the fake:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2498#post-33126410
and
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2498#post-33126433
Again, BEWARE!! If Entrupy can make this kind of error on an obvious fake, imagine the damage they can do and the money they'll cost buyers who trust them in authenticating mirror fakes.
Wow
Wow. That is frightening. I wonder how or if Entrupy will ever improve this flaw? Stitching, font, and stamp placement are so critical to view and examine in person.
Wow. That is frightening. I wonder how or if Entrupy will ever improve this flaw? Stitching, font, and stamp placement are so critical to view and examine in person.
Correct stitching is one of those details that Entrupy's computer program is supposed to be able to analyze even better than humans can. Now we see what a pile of horse poop THAT is.
And in the example from Goodwill that BeenBurned mentioned, their precious computer program can't even tell when a "Coach" has a stamped style number that doesn't even match the style of the bag!
That is hilarious!
You find entrupy certificates a lot more often now, especially on eBay. I'm sticking with the pearls of wisdom of Bababebi. Nothing beats the trained eye to analyze the finer and more intricate details.
Entrup doesn't make any sense. Let's suppose I am Hermès. I change a detail on a specific bag in order to deter counterfeiters.
Am I going to give this information to a third-party tech company in which I have zero investment? No, I am not, I am going to keep it quiet.
Which means that most if not all details the Entrupy software use to determine authenticity have been INPUT by a human being. The idea being that software can then replicate this human knowledge (which is already fallible) at scale.
The potential for error in a construct like this is just huge.
Am I going to give this information to a third-party tech company in which I have zero investment? No, I am not, I am going to keep it quiet.
Which means that most if not all details the Entrupy software use to determine authenticity have been INPUT by a human being. The idea being that software can then replicate this human knowledge (which is already fallible) at scale.
The potential for error in a construct like this is just huge.
I agree, but I think the main problem is that they are only focusing on a small number of things, like the length of stitches. As an authenticator, I rarely consider the length of stitches. It's like they are looking at minute details and missing the big picture, like the color of the lining. The number one thing we check in Coach are creeds. We check that the number and wording matches the style and era. We check the font and spacing of the letters and numbers. This is something I believe a computer could be programmed to do but apparently whoever designed the program didn't think it was important.
Exactly. The things I use to authenticate Hermès have little to do with stitching, they are very small details, and in addition to those, how will this program know for instance that xxx color had xxx resin in xxx year? Or assess the way leather falls?
Late reply only just saw this thread. Funny enough the said youtuber accidentally bought a fake lv speedyB from japan and had to return it after she compared it with her friend’s. And she then went and said she has entrupy and offers authentication services lol seriously thought that was trolling