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I posted this in the wrong thread before, I apologize. I am just so disgusted this obvious fake comes with this bogus COA. I'm hoping there's power in numbers and something can be done about getting it removed from Mercari where it's currently listed for $500!! It was on ebay for $300 but has been removed. Wondering if anyone knows what can be done about this crap authentication company too? I mean, there's even a misspelling on the COA itself. How much more unprofessional can this company be??

I’m new to the forum (hi!) and have been perusing through the authentication threads to compare images to items for sale on eBay, Mercari, Poshmark, etc.
The Real Authenticator says they use AI to evaluate photos of the purses and then those results are reviewed by 2+ human authenticators.
Unfortunately, the way AI works is fallible. If the AI makes a mistake and passes a fake indicator as authentic, but the human authenticators don’t catch it and don’t correct the mistake made by the AI, the AI will continue making the same mistake and eventually replace the authentic indicator with fake indicator.
For example: the AI has a database of indicators to help identify bags as authentic. If the AI passes the zipper pull of a fake purse, and the humans don’t correct it, it will add the fake zipper pull to its list of authentic indicators. If it happens enough, over time, the AI would replace enough of the authentic indicators with fake indicators resulting in the AI no longer recognizing authentic indicators as authentic.
I’m starting to suspect that, perhaps, The Real Authenticator AI is passing fake bags as authentic, and it’s not being caught by the human authenticators.
This is just my own speculation based on what I’ve seen in a very short time of research, so I could be way off base. \_O_/
I'd discussed the company Real Authentication with people outside of TPF and we speculated whether they used human or computer authenticators. (In fact, I didn't realize the did Coach! Those I'd talked to had told me about Vuitton and Chanel errors.)

What you've pointed out about AI is in fact, something I've commented on many times over the years that Entrupy, another AI authenticator has been in business.

Unless these companies correct their algorithms when errors are pointed out, they'll continue to make those mistakes. Sellers who use these companies (as well as other "professional" authentication companies who don't use brand experts) are putting a lot of faith in expertise that often, just isn't there.

As shown by the seller's response in the Mercari listing as well as Goodwill's response to the many fakes they've sold that were authenticated with Entrupy, there's a trust that just shouldn't be there.

It never hurts for ALL buyers to verify their items just to be sure they're getting what they are paying for. Most decent sellers shouldn't be offended because a buyer chooses to verify their purchases. In fact, as a seller, I would appreciate buyers who are educated enough to know that fakes exist and to do her due diligence to confirm authenticity.

ETA: The fact that Mercari follows up Artificial Intelligence authentications with human ones is scary because the AI mistakes I've seen are NOT close fakes. These are errors that many novices wouldn't make. But if humans are looking at the items as a followup to AI, Mercari needs better human eyes.
 
I'd discussed the company Real Authentication with people outside of TPF and we speculated whether they used human or computer authenticators. (In fact, I didn't realize the did Coach! Those I'd talked to had told me about Vuitton and Chanel errors.)

What you've pointed out about AI is in fact, something I've commented on many times over the years that Entrupy, another AI authenticator has been in business.

Unless these companies correct their algorithms when errors are pointed out, they'll continue to make those mistakes. Sellers who use these companies (as well as other "professional" authentication companies who don't use brand experts) are putting a lot of faith in expertise that often, just isn't there.

As shown by the seller's response in the Mercari listing as well as Goodwill's response to the many fakes they've sold that were authenticated with Entrupy, there's a trust that just shouldn't be there.

It never hurts for ALL buyers to verify their items just to be sure they're getting what they are paying for. Most decent sellers shouldn't be offended because a buyer chooses to verify their purchases. In fact, as a seller, I would appreciate buyers who are educated enough to know that fakes exist and to do her due diligence to confirm authenticity.

ETA: The fact that Mercari follows up Artificial Intelligence authentications with human ones is scary because the AI mistakes I've seen are NOT close fakes. These are errors that many novices wouldn't make. But if humans are looking at the items as a followup to AI, Mercari needs better human eyes.
I also didn’t realize they verified Coach. I’ve only been researching Givenchy so far but I saw the title of this thread and became curious. I’m not yet familiar with Entrupy. I’ll have to look into them as well.
I’m sure I’m stating the obvious and I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but money IS the great motivator and these companies stand to make a lot more money joining up with counterfeiters and authenticating thousands upon thousands of $50 fake bags and selling them for $400 than they do only authenticating real bags owned by individuals that are reselling them.
 
I’m new to the forum (hi!) and have been perusing through the authentication threads to compare images to items for sale on eBay, Mercari, Poshmark, etc.
The Real Authenticator says they use AI to evaluate photos of the purses and then those results are reviewed by 2+ human authenticators.
Unfortunately, the way AI works is fallible. If the AI makes a mistake and passes a fake indicator as authentic, but the human authenticators don’t catch it and don’t correct the mistake made by the AI, the AI will continue making the same mistake and eventually replace the authentic indicator with fake indicator.
For example: the AI has a database of indicators to help identify bags as authentic. If the AI passes the zipper pull of a fake purse, and the humans don’t correct it, it will add the fake zipper pull to its list of authentic indicators. If it happens enough, over time, the AI would replace enough of the authentic indicators with fake indicators resulting in the AI no longer recognizing authentic indicators as authentic.
I’m starting to suspect that, perhaps, The Real Authenticator AI is passing fake bags as authentic, and it’s not being caught by the human authenticators.
This is just my own speculation based on what I’ve seen in a very short time of research, so I could be way off base. \_O_/

And what's especially frustrating to me is that after I've spent literally well over a decade analyzing fakes and, as I co-incidently mentioned in my earlier response in this thread about a different fake serial number indicator, making my conclusions publicly available both here and at Ebay, not to mention all the copies of the (unauthorized and uncredited) Daria48 Fake Numbers List copied and posted at multiple sites on the internet over the last 10-plus years and ALL of them easily found with a search of the major internet search engine for the serial number "NT-4115" in the fake turquoise Signature Demi on Mercari that also has an off-center AND crooked C pattern, the "authenticators" at both Mercari AND Real Authentication still can't recognise an obvious fake when they see one. That number has been on the Daria48 List almost since I posted the first or second version at Ebay's old Shoes and Purses some time around 2006 or 2007. WTH is WRONG with those people???
 
I'd discussed the company Real Authentication with people outside of TPF and we speculated whether they used human or computer authenticators. (In fact, I didn't realize the did Coach! Those I'd talked to had told me about Vuitton and Chanel errors.)

What you've pointed out about AI is in fact, something I've commented on many times over the years that Entrupy, another AI authenticator has been in business.

Unless these companies correct their algorithms when errors are pointed out, they'll continue to make those mistakes. Sellers who use these companies (as well as other "professional" authentication companies who don't use brand experts) are putting a lot of faith in expertise that often, just isn't there.

As shown by the seller's response in the Mercari listing as well as Goodwill's response to the many fakes they've sold that were authenticated with Entrupy, there's a trust that just shouldn't be there.

It never hurts for ALL buyers to verify their items just to be sure they're getting what they are paying for. Most decent sellers shouldn't be offended because a buyer chooses to verify their purchases. In fact, as a seller, I would appreciate buyers who are educated enough to know that fakes exist and to do her due diligence to confirm authenticity.

ETA: The fact that Mercari follows up Artificial Intelligence authentications with human ones is scary because the AI mistakes I've seen are NOT close fakes. These are errors that many novices wouldn't make. But if humans are looking at the items as a followup to AI, Mercari needs better human eyes.
That sickens me even more if that's in fact true about 2+ human verifiers because even people with minimal knowledge of Coach know the "NT" & "TN" rule. I think what's more frustrating to me is there's no way to confront or bring this to their attention. Unless I'm missing something, there's literally no way to contact anyone at Real Authentication. I would be very interested to see their explanation as to how such an obvious fake passed their supposedly superior 99.9% rating & how they can even justify or maintain calling their company reputable or professional. The COA itself has a spelling error FFS. And then you get an arrogant & ignorant seller who holds on to an erroneous piece of paper as if it's ironclad proof from an infallible source. If it weren't such an obvious replica, perhaps I'd understand but this isn't even a good fake.
 
I also didn’t realize they verified Coach. I’ve only been researching Givenchy so far but I saw the title of this thread and became curious. I’m not yet familiar with Entrupy. I’ll have to look into them as well.
I’m sure I’m stating the obvious and I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but money IS the great motivator and these companies stand to make a lot more money joining up with counterfeiters and authenticating thousands upon thousands of $50 fake bags and selling them for $400 than they do only authenticating real bags owned by individuals that are reselling them.
You nailed it. Money. Mercari gets to escape any responsibility because they outsourced authentication, at the seller's expense no less. It gets wrongfully authenticated, RA makes money, Mercari gets their cut, seller also makes money & relinquishes any responsibility for selling a counterfeit and the one screwed is the unsuspecting buyer who naively believes all 3 of them.
 
You nailed it. Money. Mercari gets to escape any responsibility because they outsourced authentication, at the seller's expense no less. It gets wrongfully authenticated, RA makes money, Mercari gets their cut, seller also makes money & relinquishes any responsibility for selling a counterfeit and the one screwed is the unsuspecting buyer who naively believes all 3 of them.

What really frosts me is a seller who apparently feels that being a tPF member (under a different name than the one they use on Ebay, and with NO posting history here for the last 4 years until they found that they needed to have a minimum of 5 forum posts to send a PM ) makes it OK to send a Cease And Desist letter that accuses tPF and their VETTED Coach authenticators of "Defamation, Libeling and Slandering" them and demands the seller's Ebay ID be removed from any mention of a counterfeit listing in these forums. And it's happened before, same seller.

The specific fake Station Bag with the always-fake serial number prefix D2J- when combined with a '...Made (or handcrafted) in the United States..." creed that we're being threatened about is covered in post 8516 of this thread.

THESE are genuine "*2J-"serial prefixes, the first digit varies depending on the month. And they're ALL made in China, NOT "...handcrafted in the United States". CLICK ON THE THUMBNAILS TO ENLARGE:

2002_J-plant-china-C2j-7441.jpg2002_J-plant-china-D2J-6043.jpg2002_J-plant-china-D2J-7407.jpg2002_J-plant-china-F2J-7785-outlet.jpg2002_J-plant-china-Outlet_H2J-8939_Holiday Plaid Hobo.jpg



And here's the FAKE Station Bag with the always-fake prefix whenever it says it was made in the US. There are also what seem to be several missing periods:
2002_J-plant_FAKE Station Bag D2J-5130 + miss.period-djpg.jpg
 
Frankly, I'm surprised this seller is still listing! (But then, we've seen it with so many sellers!)

This is the seller's history here:

And today, there's another fake.

seller soudertoncareandshare


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This seller is back with another fake.

soudertoncareandshare


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History:
 
seller 8681789

I'm hoping that the buyer hasn't paid. Between the time I found the listing and when I went to report it, it had sold:


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I don't expect this listing to last long but I like to post "unique" fakes for the benefit of those of us who like to fill their hard drives with images.

seller sofiticates4u

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