Charlie Sheen

[bagnshoofetish]

Accidental drug overdose is definitely not suicide.

when people use drugs excessively, yes it is a form of suicide because they don't care if they live or if they die. if someone dies after using for the first time (and that does happen) I can see your point. but for anyone to get deep into drug use or at all consider it, something is missing from their life inside of them and they are looking to fill it with something that they think will make them feel better. they are not looking to hurt or punish anyone they love. the duality of wanting to punish themselves but still seek some sort of comfort is what is there. they may not say it out loud but in the back of their mind they know the possibility is there and for many the thought of being at peace is what they are looking for however they can get it. It doesn't make sense I know. Thats why addiction is so horrible. It distorts reality for the user. That said, I cannot speak for your brother. I wish he had never heard of drugs.
I am sorry for your loss.

 

[tweegy]

Accidental drug overdose is definitely not suicide. My brother died at 23 from an accidental overdose and I can assure you he didn't want to die at 23 years old. There's a good reason it's called "accidental" overdose. There's no way my brother intentionally killed himself. Although if he could have seen the way his poor 4yo daughter was wailing next to his coffin, wondering why daddy was so cold, and pulling on his hand screaming at him to wake up, he might have reconsidered.

I agree.

 

[boxermom]

when people use drugs excessively, yes it is a form of suicide because they don't care if they live or if they die. if someone dies after using for the first time (and that does happen) I can see your point. but for anyone to get deep into drug use or at all consider it, something is missing from their life inside of them and they are looking to fill it with something that they think will make them feel better. they are not looking to hurt or punish anyone they love. the duality of wanting to punish themselves but still seek some sort of comfort is what is there. they may not say it out loud but in the back of their mind they know the possibility is there and for many the thought of being at peace is what they are looking for however they can get it. It doesn't make sense I know. Thats why addiction is so horrible. It distorts reality for the user. That said, I cannot speak for your brother. I wish he had never heard of drugs.
I am sorry for your loss.

Ditto, shoo. The substance becomes more important than anything or anyone else in the addict's life. Addiction is full of paradoxes. I've heard people say if they keep drinking/using they can't see themselves *around* (euphemism for alive) at this time next year. Yet they continue to use. What is that other than a suicide? Yet that person will deny to a doctor or therapist that they ever considered suicide, when what they mean is they haven't thought about a faster way to end their lives. JMO.

And I grieve with anyone who has lost a loved one to the disease of addiction or lives with an active addict.

 

[Jahpson]

Accidental drug overdose is definitely not suicide. My brother died at 23 from an accidental overdose and I can assure you he didn't want to die at 23 years old. There's a good reason it's called "accidental" overdose. There's no way my brother intentionally killed himself. Although if he could have seen the way his poor 4yo daughter was wailing next to his coffin, wondering why daddy was so cold, and pulling on his hand screaming at him to wake up, he might have reconsidered.

well said. He probably had no idea.

at the daughter

 

[bagnshoofetish]

The substance becomes more important than anything or anyone else in the addict's life.

yeah. no one starts using drugs/alcohol with plans to become addicted. But once the disease grabs hold of a person it makes the person miserable. What once brought them pleasure soon brings them self loathing. They begin to think the whole world would be better without them because of their disease and stop thinking about the consequences including death.
all suicide means is destroying oneself. it doesn't have to be malicious towards others. sometimes all it takes is apathy and denial.

 

[la miss]

Accidental drug overdose is definitely not suicide. My brother died at 23 from an accidental overdose and I can assure you he didn't want to die at 23 years old. There's a good reason it's called "accidental" overdose. There's no way my brother intentionally killed himself. Although if he could have seen the way his poor 4yo daughter was wailing next to his coffin, wondering why daddy was so cold, and pulling on his hand screaming at him to wake up, he might have reconsidered.

So sorry for your loss.

 

[DesigningStyle]

Charlie Sheen sues Warner Bros., Chuck Lorre for $100 million

by James Hibberd

Charlie Sheen has sued his former employer Warner Bros. and Two and a Half Men showrunner Chuck Lorre for $100 million. He’s also suing on behalf of the show’s cast and crew.

“Chuck Lorre, one of the richest men in television who is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, believes himself to be so wealthy and powerful that he can unilaterally decide to take money away from the dedicated cast and crew of the popular television series Two and a Half Men in order to serve his own ego and self-interest and make the star of the Series the scapegoat,” reads the opening of the lawsuit. “Charlie Sheen is not only seeking payment for his own compensation for the Series, but he is also pursuing claims for the benefit of the entire cast and crew to get paid the balance of the season’s 24 episodes.”

The suit claims that Warner Bros. had no problem signing Sheen to two more years on Men even though he was dealing with substance abuse issues and had pending felony and misdemeanor charges pending against him.

“None of these resulted in Warner Bros. suspending Mr. Sheen. What did?”

The answer, according to Sheen and his attorney, is the actor criticizing Lorre “after years of Lorre humiliating, harassing and disparaging Mr. Sheen.”

“Because of his financial leverage with Warner Bros. and CBS by having two other profitable series with them [Big Bang Theory and Mike & Molly], Lorre convinced Warner Bros. to conspire with him and attribute the suspension of the Series and termination of Mr. Sheen’s contract on Mr. Sheen’s alleged statements, conduct and condition, despite the fact that Mr. Sheen is in compliance with his contract,” the suit reads.

The suit goes on to accuse Lorre of refusing to produce scripts and “creating a public relations fiction to make [Sheen] their scapegoat.”

Warner Bros. had no comment.

 

[DesigningStyle]

Charlie Sheen to Launch a Cooking Show on Funny or Die

Thursday, March 10, 2011, by Paula Forbes

In what will either be a hilarious self-aware spoof or simply a painful rehash of his catchphrases, actor Charlie Sheen has filmed a cooking show sketch for Funny or Die. (The video is not online yet.)

"Charlie Sheen's Winning Recipes" was filmed in Sheen's home, and he was "very professional" during the shoot. Will it be as intolerable as his livestream? Hopefully not! Apparently the sweet tiger-striped chef's hat was Sheen's idea. Maybe he'll make Charlie Dogs and share the recipe?

The video is available. Charlie Sheen's Winning Recipes
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/10/charlie-sheens-winning-recipes_n_833985.html

I have to wait until I get home tonight from work...so watch it and tell me what it is like! Please.

 

[la miss]

I agree with him. They were perfectly content to sit back and watch Charlie self-destruct for years until he turned it into a pissing contest with Lorre. It was entirely ego feuled.

Charlie Sheen sues Warner Bros., Chuck Lorre for $100 million

by James Hibberd

Charlie Sheen has sued his former employer Warner Bros. and Two and a Half Men showrunner Chuck Lorre for $100 million. He’s also suing on behalf of the show’s cast and crew.

“Chuck Lorre, one of the richest men in television who is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, believes himself to be so wealthy and powerful that he can unilaterally decide to take money away from the dedicated cast and crew of the popular television series Two and a Half Men in order to serve his own ego and self-interest and make the star of the Series the scapegoat,” reads the opening of the lawsuit. “Charlie Sheen is not only seeking payment for his own compensation for the Series, but he is also pursuing claims for the benefit of the entire cast and crew to get paid the balance of the season’s 24 episodes.”

The suit claims that Warner Bros. had no problem signing Sheen to two more years on Men even though he was dealing with substance abuse issues and had pending felony and misdemeanor charges pending against him.

“None of these resulted in Warner Bros. suspending Mr. Sheen. What did?”

The answer, according to Sheen and his attorney, is the actor criticizing Lorre “after years of Lorre humiliating, harassing and disparaging Mr. Sheen.”

“Because of his financial leverage with Warner Bros. and CBS by having two other profitable series with them [Big Bang Theory and Mike & Molly], Lorre convinced Warner Bros. to conspire with him and attribute the suspension of the Series and termination of Mr. Sheen’s contract on Mr. Sheen’s alleged statements, conduct and condition, despite the fact that Mr. Sheen is in compliance with his contract,” the suit reads.

The suit goes on to accuse Lorre of refusing to produce scripts and “creating a public relations fiction to make [Sheen] their scapegoat.”

Warner Bros. had no comment.

 

[iluvmybags]

I agree with him. They were perfectly content to sit back and watch Charlie self-destruct for years until he turned it into a pissing contest with Lorre. It was entirely ego feuled.

I disagree -- they had suspended the show, not fired him or canceled when he made his original comments, but then he went on the rampage and went nuts (literally nuts). Doing interview after interview after interview, making completely irrational demands and statements --

Just because they put up with it or didn't fire him before, doesn't mean that they didn't have the right to fire him now.

At most places, if you do something wrong, you might be suspended from your job, you might be given verbal or written warnings, but if an employee screws up again after those warnings, they're eventually fired -- they had had enough. They gave him every chance in the book.

Should they have done this sooner? yes, but that doesn't mean they're wrong for letting him go now

 

[Swanky]

Most bosses I know wouldn't put up w/ that kind of lashing at at them w/o firing the person.
They did look the other way during his previous "issues" but IMO, it's reasonable that when he started attacking the producers, network, etc. . . he should be booted.
Anyone else would be.

On true accidental overdose, like when the person is NOT an addict, I agree, it's not deliberate suicide. But we're not talking about those folks here, this is the Charlie Sheen thread, this is about people who knowingly use for years and years, are often hospitalized, come close to death, etc. . . but continue down that road. It's a slow suicide, no one's killing them, they're killing themselves = suicide.

 

[kroquet]

What a ridiculous lawsuit! Does Charlie think he is ABOVE getting canned? Any normal John or Jane Doe would be fired for the same. I am so sick of these "actors" thinking they are so special

 

[la miss]

I disagree -- they had suspended the show, not fired him or canceled when he made his original comments, but then he went on the rampage and went nuts (literally nuts). Doing interview after interview after interview, making completely irrational demands and statements --

Just because they put up with it or didn't fire him before, doesn't mean that they didn't have the right to fire him now.

At most places, if you do something wrong, you might be suspended from your job, you might be given verbal or written warnings, but if an employee screws up again after those warnings, they're eventually fired -- they had had enough. They gave him every chance in the book.

Should they have done this sooner? yes, but that doesn't mean they're wrong for letting him go now

Actually in some cases, putting up with certain behaviour can in fact be legally construed as an acceptance of changes to the terms of the contract. Charlie has plausible argument here and he would be dumb not to pursue it. If his behaviour was indeed the problem then they should have ended the show last year when he went nuts and assaulted his wife. Or the time he went nuts and tore up a hotel room or the time he went nuts on a binge and had to be rushed to the hospital. Instead they sat back and kept collecting the money. Until he insulted Lorre, that is.

 

[kroquet]

^^He was given every opportunity to straighten up and he didn't. Simple as that. The CBS execs went to his home and tried to get him into rehab and he refused to go, they suspended the show, Charlie went crazy, Charlie was fired.

 

[HauteMama]

Was he missing rehearsal, entering rehab, exiting rehab, turning into a troll (looks-wise) and going on public rants last year when he assaulted his wife? I guess if the issues an actor has are confined to his private life and don't obviously affect the show, then they can let it slide. But unless he was missing his marks and skipping rehearsal back then, I can understand why they would let it slide - money IS the bottom line.

So I wouldn't dismiss the idea that insulting Lorre had something to do with this, I think it had just snowballed so that it was affecting the show more and more. When it was confined to bad press on his personal life that was one thing, but when Sheen couldn't perform for the show it was quite another.